[SOLVED] Need some advice on my build

[Duckie504]

I need some help from people who know what they are doing. Is this build a decent build for playing rainbow six siege? I also wanted the ability to play Grand Theft Auto V, but I wasn't confident. If anything, those are my two benchmark games, and I need a keyboard and mouse and a monitor. My budget is $1,000.


PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H98YYH

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB Video Card ($157.69 @ Amazon)
Case: Aerocool Cylon ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.43 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($53.96 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($108.78 @ Other World Computing)
Monitor: MSI Optix G241 23.8" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($189.99 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Corsair K55 + HARPOON RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard With Optical Mouse ($59.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $914.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-20 22:00 EDT-0400

 

[Hellfire13]

You should wait for the new Intel processors launching in about a weeks time.

Here is how to get Windows cheap...
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/get-windows-10-free-or-cheap,5717.html
You can also activate it later as there is no difference in performance...
https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/

Modified the build with better parts...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor | $172.39 @ Newegg
Motherboard | MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard | $114.99 @ Best Buy
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $82.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $64.99 @ B&H
Video Card | Asus GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB Phoenix OC Video Card | $229.99 @ B&H
Case | Zalman S2 ATX Mid Tower Case | $44.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | Corsair CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | $69.99 @ Newegg
Monitor | MSI Optix G24C4 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor | $179.99 @ Best Buy
Keyboard | Thermaltake Commander Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard With Optical Mouse | $32.99 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $993.31
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-20 22:32 EDT-0400 |

 

[LordVile]

You should wait for the new Intel processors launching in about a weeks time.

Here is how to get Windows cheap...
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/get-windows-10-free-or-cheap,5717.html
You can also activate it later as there is no difference in performance...
https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/

Modified the build with better parts...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor | $172.39 @ Newegg
Motherboard | MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard | $114.99 @ Best Buy
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $82.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $64.99 @ B&H
Video Card | Asus GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB Phoenix OC Video Card | $229.99 @ B&H
Case | Zalman S2 ATX Mid Tower Case | $44.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | Corsair CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | $69.99 @ Newegg
Monitor | MSI Optix G24C4 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor | $179.99 @ Best Buy
Keyboard | Thermaltake Commander Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard With Optical Mouse | $32.99 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $993.31
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-20 22:32 EDT-0400 |

Why wait for the intel chips? They’re more expensive than the AMD parts and the build you’ve posted is nearly $100 more expensive with a crap case.

 

[Hellfire13]

Why wait for the intel chips? They’re more expensive than the AMD parts and the build you’ve posted is nearly $100 more expensive with a crap case.

The build is for gaming which Intel is still better at and the new chips are good value for money clock to clock.

My budget is $1,000.

You need to read the initial post carefully as its well within the specified budget.

As for the case, I recently built in it for a cousin and for a budget case it is pretty good with adequate fan mounts and cable management headroom. Zalman is a Korean company, not some cheap Chinese brand and I do not usually recommend something unless I am sure of it. With that kinda budget you need to find as much value for money as possible.
Most people using that case have good things to say...
https://www.amazon.com/Zalman-S2-ATX-Mid-Tower-Case/product-reviews/B07P23M99T?pageNumber=2

 

[LordVile]

The build is for gaming which Intel is still better at and the new chips are good value for money clock to clock.

You need to read the initial post carefully as its well within the specified budget.

As for the case, I recently built in it for a cousin and for a budget case it is pretty good with adequate fan mounts and cable management headroom. Zalman is a Korean company, not some cheap Chinese brand and I do not usually recommend something unless I am sure of it. With that kinda budget you need to find as much value for money as possible.
Most people using that case have good things to say...
https://www.amazon.com/Zalman-S2-ATX-Mid-Tower-Case/product-reviews/B07P23M99T?pageNumber=2

Not a great value for money. You need to add a beefy cooler on top of an intel chip and a solid motherboard. A 2600 with a 5700 will outperform a 1660 with a 10900K.

Doesn’t look great to build in, would say cases that are a bit more expensive are better to build in

 

[Hellfire13]

Not a great value for money. You need to add a beefy cooler on top of an intel chip and a solid motherboard. A 2600 with a 5700 will outperform a 1660 with a 10900K.

Doesn’t look great to build in, would say cases that are a bit more expensive are better to build in

Thats not even a proper comparison, one is CPU bound the other is GPU. And by the looks of it, the new Intel processors are pretty good, we should wait for the proper benchmarks though.

What you see from a distance and what you experience first hand are two different things. A bit more expensive makes sense when you have a better budget.

 

[LordVile]

Thats not even a proper comparison, one is CPU bound the other is GPU. And by the looks of it, the new Intel processors are pretty good, we should wait for the proper benchmarks though.

What you see from a distance and what you experience first hand are two different things. A bit more expensive makes sense when you have a better budget.

Apart from bottlenecking doesn’t work like that. A 6600K with a 2080Ti in day AC origins will still be better than a 9900K with a 2060. It won’t be as good as a 9900K and 2080Ti but you’re bottlenecking the specific GPU. Not all GPUs.

 

[Hellfire13]

Apart from bottlenecking doesn’t work like that. A 6600K with a 2080Ti in day AC origins will still be better than a 9900K with a 2060. It won’t be as good as a 9900K and 2080Ti but you’re bottlenecking the specific GPU. Not all GPUs.

Funny you choose a game that blows your theory out of the Window right at the beginning...
"We know the 7600K struggles in 64-player Battlefield 1 battles, but sadly it’s absolutely impossible to accurately benchmark a multiplayer title. "
https://www.techspot.com/article/1525-assassins-creed-origins-cpu-test/

The 2080Ti will only be as good as the resolution and refresh rate you are playing on, which is totally missing from that equation by the way.

Yeah, I am done with this.

 

[LordVile]

Funny you choose a game that blows your theory out of the Window right at the beginning...
"We know the 7600K struggles in 64-player Battlefield 1 battles, but sadly it’s absolutely impossible to accurately benchmark a multiplayer title. "
https://www.techspot.com/article/1525-assassins-creed-origins-cpu-test/

The 2080Ti will only be as good as the resolution and refresh rate you are playing on, which is totally missing from that equation by the way.

Yeah, I am done with this.

Apart from it doesn't because they were all with the same GPU and is the inverse of my point. In games the GPU is still king and as long as you're not rocking a FX chip from 2013 a better GPU will give you more frames regardless. It won't perform as well as it would with the best CPU but it will still perform better than the max performance of a GPU that's lower performing. Sure a better CPU extracts more frames from the GPU but a 2080Ti is still a 2080Ti. A 2070 won't suddenly beat it because it has a 9900K and the 2080Ti has a R5 2600.

My point is the GPU is still more important than the CPU and a 2600 with a 5700 will perform better than a 3600 with a 1660 Super

 

[Hellfire13]

Apart from it doesn't because they were all with the same GPU and is the inverse of my point. In games the GPU is still king and as long as you're not rocking a FX chip from 2013 a better GPU will give you more frames regardless. It won't perform as well as it would with the best CPU but it will still perform better than the max performance of a GPU that's lower performing. Sure a better CPU extracts more frames from the GPU but a 2080Ti is still a 2080Ti. A 2070 won't suddenly beat it because it has a 9900K and the 2080Ti has a R5 2600.

My point is the GPU is still more important than the CPU and a 2600 with a 5700 will perform better than a 3600 with a 1660 Super

If you see consumer trends, people usually change the GPU once in the lifetime of the build. Having s strong platform gives you the capability of taking out the 1660 couple of years down the line and replace it with a 3xxx or 4xxx series card whatever is available at that point of time. Having a strong platform brings you that longevity factor and enables you to do that and game on it much longer than having to build from scratch after 2-3yrs.
A 1660 Super is no slouch and unless you have a high resolution or refresh rate, should work pretty fine on a normal screen. That was my point.

 

[LordVile]

If you see consumer trends, people usually change the GPU once in the lifetime of the build. Having s strong platform gives you the capability of taking out the 1660 couple of years down the line and replace it with a 3xxx or 4xxx series card whatever is available at that point of time. Having a strong platform brings you that longevity factor and enables you to do that and game on it much longer than having to build from scratch after 2-3yrs.
A 1660 Super is no slouch and unless you have a high resolution or refresh rate, should work pretty fine on a normal screen. That was my point.

Kinda is a slouch compared to the 5700... It's between 20 and 40% slower than the 5700 in gaming whereas the R5 2600 is around 10-20% slower than the 3600 at 1080p and under 10% at 1440p, when paired with a 2080Ti, when you pair it with the 5700 the margin will drop significantly because the GPU is less capable.

Where have you got that from? For a start you have to define what counts as a build and the 2600 and 3600 are on the same bloody platform!

 

[Hellfire13]

Kinda is a slouch compared to the 5700... It's between 20 and 40% slower than the 5700 in gaming whereas the R5 2600 is around 10-20% slower than the 3600 at 1080p and under 10% at 1440p, when paired with a 2080Ti, when you pair it with the 5700 the margin will drop significantly because the GPU is less capable.

Where have you got that from? For a start you have to define what counts as a build and the 2600 and 3600 are on the same bloody platform!

You have got to be kidding me. Platform consists of the entire base that includes CPU, Motherboard and RAM. Its what you call a foundation.
You can cook up as many figures with those CPUs and GPUs as you want but the benchmarks are all out there for the mass to see.

This conversation is gonna go nowhere. I am out.