Question I installed new RAM and now PC takes like a minute extra time to boot ?

[Parv patel]

Hey so I upgraded my ram from 2 x 16GB to 2 x 32GB. I booted my pc and it took like and extra minute or two for the Asus logo to appear. With the old ram it was quick but now my mobo has an orange/amber RAM LED.

As of posting this I am testing my RAM with memtest86 and I have expo 1 enabled. If there is anything wrong with my ram or if there is known issues with this type of ram and the 7800X3D CPU please let me know if its fixable.

My pc specs:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/crunchydeer/saved/xzpCrH

 

[Lutfij]

The parts list is private. Might want to just pass on the BB code for the parts list instead.

Hey so I upgraded my ram from 2x16 to 2x32 gb.
Since we're here, what are the make and models of both ram kits? BIOS version for your motherboard?

 

[Misgar]

I booted my pc and it took like and extra minute or two for the Asus logo to appear.

Since it's DDR5 memory and you may have invoked XMP/EXPO/DOCP overclocking, it's probably perfectly normal "memory training".
https://www.howtogeek.com/what-is-ddr5-memory-training/

If you switch off Asus DOCP, the PC might boot up faster at JEDEC default speed (probably 4800MT/s or thereabouts).

 

[Parv patel]

The parts list is private. Might want to just pass on the BB code for the parts list instead.

Hey so I upgraded my ram from 2x16 to 2x32 gb.
Since we're here, what are the make and models of both ram kits? BIOS version for your motherboard?

Oh. Here's the new link, but if that doesn't work, I have G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 2x32 GB DDR5-6000 CL30 and my old kit was G.Skill x5 series 2x16 GB DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL32. I'm on BIOS version 2.22.1284 on an ASUS B650-E TUF Gaming WiFi.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tv8F6Q

 

[Parv patel]

Since it's DDR5 memory and you may have invoked XMP/EXPO/DOCP overclocking, it's probably perfectly normal "memory training".
https://www.howtogeek.com/what-is-ddr5-memory-training/

If you switch off Asus DOCP, the PC might boot up faster at JEDEC default speed (probably 4800MT/s or thereabouts).

So I read the article and from that I got that it'll memory train but on the next reboot it'll be faster. But how about from a full shutdown. Would this memory training be stored or will this keep happening every time I power on from shutdown.

 

[SkyNetRising]

Would this memory training be stored or will this keep happening every time I power on from shutdown.

RAM training is necessary only after a configuration change

new ram installed,​

ram settings changed,​

bios settings reset,​

bios version upgraded,​

probably also after installing a new cpu.​

 

[Bob.B]

So I read the article and from that I got that it'll memory train but on the next reboot it'll be faster. But how about from a full shutdown. Would this memory training be stored or will this keep happening every time I power on from shutdown.

Since you have the new ram shutdown wait a few mins and power up see what happens.

 

[Misgar]

Some people have memory training issues each time the computer starts:
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1552834-pc-keeps-memory-training/

If you're still experiencing long boot times, check if there's a Memory Context setting in the BIOS.

 

[Parv patel]

Some people have memory training issues each time the computer starts:
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1552834-pc-keeps-memory-training/

If you're still experiencing long boot times, check if there's a Memory Context setting in the BIOS.

So I checked this and when I enabled it. My pc kept bluescreening then next day. So I disabled it. I ran memtest86 with expo I on and it passed with 0 fails.

 

[powpowboom]

i built a computer with an AMD 7700x and this same exact motherboard (Asus Tuf B650-e gaming wifi) and it had all kinds of blue screen issues. I did two things to fix it...I manually disabled MCR (Memory Context Restore) in two places. Why Asus has this in 2 places in their bios, only they know. AND I also disabled Asus Armory Crate because it was conflicting with the bios somehow. Once I did this, no more crashes. I think Asus QC and overall quality on these cheaper boards has really gone downhill

 

[Parv patel]

i built a computer with an AMD 7700x and this same exact motherboard (Asus Tuf B650-e gaming wifi) and it had all kinds of blue screen issues. I did two things to fix it...I manually disabled MCR (Memory Context Restore) in two places. Why Asus has this in 2 places in their bios, only they know. AND I also disabled Asus Armory Crate because it was conflicting with the bios somehow. Once I did this, no more crashes. I think Asus QC and overall quality on these cheaper boards has really gone downhill

So I have it working 100% with no crashes. Its just it keeps doing the memory training every time I turn on my pc. Thats the only issue I'm having right now. I've tried some suggestions like turning mcr on and some other stuff but nothing works

 

[powpowboom]

Did you turn on MCR in both places in the bios? Asus has it in 2 places for some stupid reason

 

[Parv patel]

Did you turn on MCR in both places in the bios? Asus has it in 2 places for some stupid reason

Yeah its off on both. As I said I have it 100% stable it just does the memory training every time I power on. I have no clue how to fix this and not keep bluescreening

 

[Bob.B]

Oh. Here's the new link, but if that doesn't work, I have G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 2x32 GB DDR5-6000 CL30 and my old kit was G.Skill x5 series 2x16 GB DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL32. I'm on BIOS version 2.22.1284 on an ASUS B650-E TUF Gaming WiFi.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tv8F6Q

You might want to check that bios level again it does not seem to be a match with that mobo.

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboard...lpdesk_bios?model2Name=TUF-GAMING-B650-E-WIFI

 

[SkyNetRising]

Yeah its off on both. As I said I have it 100% stable it just does the memory training every time I power on. I have no clue how to fix this and not keep bluescreening

You may want to try lowering DRAM frequency a bit.
To 5800mhz or 5600mhz.

Can you show screenshots from CPU-Z - memory and spd sections?
(upload to imgur.com and post link)

 

[Parv patel]

You may want to try lowering DRAM frequency a bit.
To 5800mhz or 5600mhz.

Can you show screenshots from CPU-Z - memory and spd sections?
(upload to imgur.com and post link)

https://imgur.com/a/uJA9BDH

View: https://imgur.com/a/uJA9BDH

 

[SkyNetRising]

Uhh - EXPO-6000 profile has DDR voltage at 1.4V.
This is very high for DDR5.
Default voltage for DDR5 is 1.1V , 1.25V for OC mode. 1.4V is way over recommended.

I'd suggest reducing DDR voltage to 1.35V. Then test stability.
If necessary lower DDR frequency to 5800mhz or 5600mhz or lower (depending on stability).

 

[Parv patel]

Uhh - EXPO-6000 profile has DDR voltage at 1.4V.
This is very high for DDR5.
Default voltage for DDR5 is 1.1V , 1.25V for OC mode. 1.4V is way over recommended.

I'd suggest reducing DDR voltage to 1.35V. Then test stability.
If necessary lower DDR frequency to 5800mhz or 5600mhz or lower (depending on stability).

I'm actually 100% stable with my current settings. It's only when I turn on mcr that I am unstable and bluescreen. But with it off, it takes a minute to get into the login screen.

 

[Ralston18]

Just a thought to add:

When you installed the new RAM in what order did you install the modules?

Some motherboards require that the first physically installed RAM be places in a specific slot.

Typically DIMM_A2.

That installation requirement may be clearly presented in the Motherboard's User Guide/Manual.

However sometimes not and you may need to take a very close look at the fine print and any relevant installation images.

Some notation such as "1st".

Incorrect RAM installation order can be problematic.

 

[JayGau]

Uhh - EXPO-6000 profile has DDR voltage at 1.4V.
This is very high for DDR5.
Default voltage for DDR5 is 1.1V , 1.25V for OC mode. 1.4V is way over recommended.

I'd suggest reducing DDR voltage to 1.35V. Then test stability.
If necessary lower DDR frequency to 5800mhz or 5600mhz or lower (depending on stability).

Although it's the upper limit, 1.4V is very standard for DDR5 expo kits. Almost all Corsair expo kits run at 1.4V, for example (XMP kits runs at lower voltage). It's certainly not "way over recommended". And if a kit has a profile set to 1.4V, setting it down to 1.35V is definitely not a good idea (unless you want constant BSOD).