[SOLVED] Need some suggestions for a build (Have some parts)

[wildanielcortes]

Budget: $300-400

Information: Have a CPU and GPU already.
Need: Motherboard, Case, SSD(boot drive), HDD(storage), PSU, CPU Cooler, and DDR3 or 4 ram (based on the motherboard you suggest.

Currently have:
CPU: Intel i5-4460
GPU: MSI GTX 970

 

[Darkbreeze]

You need an H97, Z97 or other LGA 1150 motherboard that supports that Haswell processor, and there are no boards for that platform that support DDR4, so you will be using DDR3 no matter what.

Also, they stopped manufacturing LGA 1150 motherboards years ago, so anything you get is either going to be used, or it will be NOS (New old stock) that has been sitting in warehousing or somebody's storage shelf waiting for users of that platform to need a board later down the road, which means most of them are going to be grossly expensive if you want a board of even half decent quality. You will pay more for a new board for that platform that for a new board for a current platform. Probably double in most cases unless you buy used and then of course you're rolling the dice.

I'll try to find you some deals, but you're not going to get those parts new for that price, and finding this hardware these days is not easy. You also have to be careful at any B85, H97 or Z97 motherboards you DO see for sale, because many of them are bitcoin mining boards and are not suitable for use with general or gaming systems.

 

[Calvin7]

Core i5 4460 is a Haswell Refresh model CPU is not compatible with many Series 8 Chipset motherboards.

GIGABYTE Ga-h97m-d3h
https://www.ebay.com/p/GIGABYTE-Ga-...herboard-Ddr3-1600/2255070590?thm=2000&chn=ps

 

[j3ster]

well its hard to find a brand new motherboard for that but if you can manage to find one.
something like the Asus H/Z97-plus are quite good and you might find them at a good price.

same goes for ram so you really need to dig/look around for people or shops that provide DDR3 ram.

so with both of these the prices are pretty much random. so id suggest you checking out local shops or pc repair shops as well, they might have parts lying around for cheap and in a good condition.


but heres my take on your other missing parts that i have used in the past and are good for their price.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($30.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - BX500 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($23.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.50 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks - Eclipse P300 Tempered Glass (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $204.46

 

[wildanielcortes]

well its hard to find a brand new motherboard for that but if you can manage to find one.
something like the Asus H/Z97-plus are quite good and you might find them at a good price.

same goes for ram so you really need to dig/look around for people or shops that provide DDR3 ram.

so with both of these the prices are pretty much random. so id suggest you checking out local shops or pc repair shops as well, they might have parts lying around for cheap and in a good condition.


but heres my take on your other missing parts that i have used in the past and are good for their price.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($30.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - BX500 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($23.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.50 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks - Eclipse P300 Tempered Glass (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $204.46

You need an H97, Z97 or other LGA 1150 motherboard that supports that Haswell processor, and there are no boards for that platform that support DDR4, so you will be using DDR3 no matter what.

Also, they stopped manufacturing LGA 1150 motherboards years ago, so anything you get is either going to be used, or it will be NOS (New old stock) that has been sitting in warehousing or somebody's storage shelf waiting for users of that platform to need a board later down the road, which means most of them are going to be grossly expensive if you want a board of even half decent quality. You will pay more for a new board for that platform that for a new board for a current platform. Probably double in most cases unless you buy used and then of course you're rolling the dice.

I'll try to find you some deals, but you're not going to get those parts new for that price, and finding this hardware these days is not easy. You also have to be careful at any B85, H97 or Z97 motherboards you DO see for sale, because many of them are bitcoin mining boards and are not suitable for use with general or gaming systems.

Will this motherboard be compatible for the processor, if so should I buy it?

 

[j3ster]

now thats a hard question to answer and i dont think i can give a good answer so i wont even try, the Z97M-plus is a mATX board and when it was new around 3yrs ago it was around ~130USD.
but the problem is you might get them at a far more expensive price if in good condition or brand new.

and yes it supports your cpu.

edit:

https://www.ebay.com/p/ASUS-Z97M-PLUS-LGA-1150-Socket-H3-Intel-Motherboard/215992665
heres an example.

 

[wildanielcortes]

now thats a hard question to answer and i dont think i can give a good answer so i wont even try, the Z97M-plus is a mATX board and when it was new around 3yrs ago it was around ~130USD.
but the problem is you might get them at a far more expensive price if in good condition or brand new.

and yes it supports your cpu.

edit:

https://www.ebay.com/p/ASUS-Z97M-PLUS-LGA-1150-Socket-H3-Intel-Motherboard/215992665
heres an example.

im sorry I forgot to put the link to the motherboard.
Here it is, https://www.ebay.com/p/MSI-Intel-B8...-HDMI-USB-3-0-ATX/10018516556?thm=1000&chn=ps .

I meant to ask if this motherboard is compatible with the processor and should I buy it?

 

[j3ster]

im sorry I forgot to put the link to the motherboard.
Here it is, https://www.ebay.com/p/MSI-Intel-B8...-HDMI-USB-3-0-ATX/10018516556?thm=1000&chn=ps .

I meant to ask if this motherboard is compatible with the processor and should I buy it?

with a BIOS flash i think but i wouldnt recommend you doing it and just get a board that is compatible with your cpu out of the box like a h/z97 board.


edit:

but with the added effort of actually looking for one just sell the i5 4460, although its still a good cpu finding a usable board that is actually usable is gonna be hard and usually more expensive than modern boards. and get something from 7th gen intel or a ryzen build with your gtx 970.

 

[wildanielcortes]

with a BIOS flash i think but i wouldnt recommend you doing it and just get a board that is compatible with your cpu out of the box like a h/z97 board.


edit:

but with the added effort of actually looking for one just sell the i5 4460, although its still a good cpu finding a usable board that is actually usable is gonna be hard and usually more expensive than modern boards. and get something from 7th gen intel or a ryzen build with your gtx 970.

Looked at the compatibles of the motherboard and it did say my cpu is supported.
http://prntscr.com/n4yqf8

Not sure though

 

[Karadjgne]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($132.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VH PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($43.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston - A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($28.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.50 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($53.22 @ Amazon)
Total: $403.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-30 02:47 EDT-0400

Far more versatile than the older i5 and can be built upon later with better cooling etc.

 

[j3ster]

Looked at the compatibles of the motherboard and it did say my cpu is supported.
http://prntscr.com/n4yqf8

Not sure though

it is supported just not "out of the box" since the b85 was released a year prior to your cpu so its not immediately supported you would have to update the BIOS for it to work with that motherboard.

 

[Darkbreeze]

At this late date, most of those motherboards "probably" already have had BIOS updates and "likely" support the Refresh Haswell models. Certainly there will be some out there that have never been updated, and that might be a risk you have to take, but I think most of them will already be on either the latest BIOS version or one new enough to support that CPU.

And if you get a board that isn't, it shouldn't be terribly expensive or hard to find a repair shop that can update the BIOS for you with a CPU they likely have laying around that is compatible without having to have an update.

I'd be more worried about spending money, significant money, on a used motherboard that may not have that much life in it. Since that is an Ebay seller, and one from China no less, there is really no way to know if it's actually a new board before you receive it, or whether it will even be valid as a new product in the eyes of MSI especially at this late date and due to the fact that the listed seller is almost certainly not an authorized MSI retailer.

But again, regardless of what board you go with, that is a risk you will probably have to take when trying to build with a platform this old.

 

[Darkbreeze]

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($132.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VH PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($43.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston - A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($28.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.50 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($53.22 @ Amazon)
Total: $403.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-30 02:47 EDT-0400

Far more versatile than the older i5 and can be built upon later with better cooling etc.

Shame on you K. What horrible motherboard and SSD selections. You must hate this guy. LOL.

 

[Karadjgne]

I know. You do not like budget MSI, but the other choices were worse. And the A400 isn't bad at all. Sure it's no Samsung, but it's actually better than the SanDisk SSD Plus across the board and it's predecessor the U. It'll do for a starter ssd at a budget.

8gb of ram in a single stick isn't terrible, unless op decides to do anything ram bandwidth intensive there's not much difference between single and dual channel.

MX300 is an under appreciated case, left out of most because it's not nzxt or Phanteks or FD, but it is better than the deepcool in many ways. Includes a psu shroud, so the...

Seasonic S12-III will be just fine, it's an upgrade from the S12-II EVO and it's on a Ryzen.

For $400 for a starter build its easy to do much worse.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I didn't have any complaints, considering the budget, for the rest of the system. Just the motherboard and SSD, neither of which I think are worth using in any build. Well, possibly the SSD, if you absolutely had to. Sorry, but I'd prefer a Sandisk SSD over ANY Kingston SSD, any day, all year long.

I've bought maybe fifty different Sandisk SSDs, from the G4 back in 2010 to the Ultra II to the Extreme Pro currently being sold, and I've never had ANY issues with any Sandisk drive and SFAIK every one I've ever bought for myself or a client build is still running to this day. Obviously, I don't KNOW where all those systems are, but I've never recieved any feedback that was negative on any of them and I've bought a lot more Sandisk SSDs than I have Samsung because until not long ago their good drives were substantially cheaper than Samsung's, especially if you came across a deal on the bigger Ultra II drives. As far as the SSD Plus, I don't see any issue with that drive at all as a budget option, and I suppose the Kingston is ok too I just still have a bad taste in my mouth from their questionable practices a few years back and a few sets of Kingston memory that they've refused to RMA despite the lifetime warranty.