Discussion needing a video card despite the gpu shortage

[hamoo]

these are the constraints:
a) i will not use win 10 or 11
b) i will not use overclocking

i have tried to use amd, the rx 7700xt & 6800xt. i returned these because the software was unstable, and crashed multiple times. my previous cards have always been nvidia. they never crash

i looked into intel, the arc a750. i can't use this because intel only makes drivers for win 10 & 11

so i am looking at nvidia rtx 3060ti & 3070ti, founder's editions. however these are not available. the 3060ti was available from bestbuy a few months ago, but i missed that opportunity. critical mistake

i don't have the power requirements for the 40 series and don't need more than 8Gb. the probability that i will gut my desktop is greater than zero, because i want to install a higher capacity ssd. so i can upgrade my p.s. if i have to

but my goal is to just install a 3060 or 3070 and be on my way. so is the shortage just a result of the christmas ritual ? will the 3060 & 3070 be available soon ? is it expedient to wait

i am starting a new class, and i have to work. so i can not continue to use software acceleration. i only have at the most three more weeks

my minimum requirements for both class and work are to be able to use multiple monitors. for this, i can not use software acceleration

i have been suffering a long time by not being able to play skyrim. even though i have 'found the time' to have been able to do a lot of manual labor, i can not afford to continue this lifestyle

any advice would be appreciated

 

[Deleted member 2962262]

What operating system are you using?

 

[SkyNetRising]

any advice would be appreciated

Please list full specs of your system? Include PSU model name.
Why can't you use windows 10?
What OS are you going to use? Windows XP ? Linux ?
What is your budget for GPU?

 

[hamoo]

What operating system are you using?

win 7 ultimate x64 mostly
i know the most current option for this o.s. is the 30 series. so i'm looking for maybe a 3070 ti

 

[USAFRet]

As asked above, we NEED the full specs of all the other parts in this system.

Specific make/model of everything.

 

[DSzymborski]

Is this a legitimate copy of Windows Ultimate or a pirated one? A hacked version can be a cause of crashes. We mostly see black market/grey market ones since a legit version, when they were sale, was over $200.

Need the rest of the specs, including *exact* power supply. You're asking a hardware question but not telling us anything about the hardware. It's like going to a car repair forum and asking for advice on repairing a car one doesn't identify.

 

[kira-faye]

Is this a legitimate copy of Windows Ultimate or a pirated one? A hacked version can be a cause of crashes. We mostly see black market/grey market ones since a legit version, when they were sale, was over $200.

Need the rest of the specs, including *exact* power supply. You're asking a hardware question but not telling us anything about the hardware. It's like going to a car repair forum and asking for advice on repairing a car one doesn't identify.

I doubt the OS is the OP's problem - I also get regular crashes from the AMD drivers and I'm running a legit copy of Windows 11 Pro.

That said, their refusal to move past Windows 7 is extremely limiting, and given the minimal differences between 7, 10, and 11, hard to justify.

 

[DSzymborski]

I doubt the OS is the OP's problem - I also get regular crashes from the AMD drivers and I'm running a legit copy of Windows 11 Pro.

That said, their refusal to move past Windows 7 is extremely limiting, and given the minimal differences between 7, 10, and 11, hard to justify.

True, but I like to know all the facts on the ground first!

 

[hamoo]

Please list full specs of your system? Include PSU model name.

psu: antec truepower 550
cpu: ryzen 2700
mb: asrock b450 gaming itx
memory: 2 x g skill f4-3200c14-8gfx
ssd: samsung 970 evo plus 500gb
o.s.: win 7 ultimate x64

backup psu (in stock): seasonic prime titanium 600w
planned ssd upgrade: 990 pro w/ heatsink pcie 4.0 nvme 4tb
future o.s. upgrade: mx linux, mint, or debian

Why can't you use windows 10?

i don't use inferior quality products. i am referring to home edition. don't want to invest the time to make a minimal win 10 pro install device. i would rather have a virus or ransomware than hand over control of my o.s. to microsoft. however, i can use win 10 if i choose to do so

What OS are you going to use? Windows XP ? Linux ?

i am already using win 7 x64 ultimate
i will eventually multiboot using linux

What is your budget for GPU?

what's a budget

 

[hamoo]

"It's like going to a car repair forum and asking for advice on repairing a car one doesn't identify" lol and lol; you obviously never heard of click and clack
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510208/car-talk

 

[SkyNetRising]

what's a budget

That means - how much money are you willing to spend on gpu upgrade?

i have tried to use amd, the rx 7700xt & 6800xt. i returned these because the software was unstable, and crashed multiple times.
psu: antec truepower 550

It crashed because your PSU is too weak.
Minimum PSU requirement for 7700xt is 700W,
for 6800xt - 750W.

 

[USAFRet]

"It's like going to a car repair forum and asking for advice on repairing a car one doesn't identify" lol and lol; you obviously never heard of click and clack
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510208/car-talk

And the behind the scenes of Car Talk was the producers got a LOT more upfront info than was was heard on the show, the "fix" was already determined, and the segments were carefully selected for "what will sound the best in the very limited time for the show".

Those were not cold calls direct to Tom and Ray.
Unlike what we get here.

 

[hamoo]

What operating system are you using?

And the behind the scenes of Car Talk was the producers got a LOT more upfront info than was was heard on the show, the "fix" was already determined, and the segments were carefully selected for "what will sound the best in the very limited time for the show".

Those were not cold calls direct to Tom and Ray.
Unlike what we get here.

That means - how much money are you willing to spend on gpu upgrade?


It crashed because your PSU is too weak.
Minimum PSU requirement for 7700xt is 700W,
for 6800xt - 750W.

"Recommended power supply for AMD Radeon RX 7700 XT graphics card is minimum 700W or greater with 12V output > 54A. Minimum recommended system power supply wattage is based on a PC configured with an AMD Ryzen 9 7950X processor plus typical power requirements of other system components. Your system requirements may differ. GD-223."

you realize that 700 watts running through the 6 pin gpu power cable would melt the wires, maybe even melt more

this wasn't explicit, so when i said 'crashed' & 'unstable', i sent msi and amd the crash reports. it didn't just crash, and i gave up. i'm not even sure if it was loaded with a game. i was playing skrim with a 750 ti without a 6 pin gpu power connector. that's a maximum power draw of 66 watts. are you saying that with a new video card, i'm now going to need ten times the power ? that isn't entirely reasonable. matter of fact, the newer card should draw less power

it wasn't my idea to return the card, and tech support didn't suggest i upgrade my psu

 

[USAFRet]

you realize that 700 watts running through the molex connector would melt the wires, maybe even melt more

Which is why you don't try to power a power hungry card through the MOLEX connectors.

You get a proper PSU, with the proper connectors.

 

[hamoo]

easy power calculation:

take 550 watts, and subtract the wattage for the items listed, and compare that to the power requirements of the card

 

[Eximo]

Newer cards can certainly draw more power than older ones.

750Ti was famously efficient, being the first 22nm node GPUs if I recall correctly.

My old GTX 1080 used 180W, so you would expect the RTX2080 to use less? or the 3080? It went very much the other way with the 3080 being a 320W-350W card and GPUs have been getting larger, not smaller. The small GPU market has been consumed by integrated graphics onboard CPUs.

 

[Eximo]

If you just want something, Best Buy has a decent RTX 3060 for sale:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-n...PCPartPicker&mpid=79301&ref=198&skuId=6557544

 

[hamoo]

Which is why you don't try to power a power hungry card through the MOLEX connectors.

You get a proper PSU, with the proper connectors.

i think we're going off topic here; i corrected "molex" with "6 pin gpu power connector". if you'd look up the antec model, you'd see it has the proper connectors

 

[USAFRet]

i think we're going off topic here; i corrected "molex" with "6 pin gpu power connector". if you'd look up the antec model, you'd see it has the proper connectors

And your Antec 550w is still underpowered for the 2 GPUs you mentioned.
And for a 3060 ti.

 

[hamoo]

Newer cards can certainly draw more power than older ones.

750Ti was famously efficient, being the first 22nm node GPUs if I recall correctly.

My old GTX 1080 used 180W, so you would expect the RTX2080 to use less? or the 3080? It went very much the other way with the 3080 being a 320W-350W card and GPUs have been getting larger, not smaller. The small GPU market has been consumed by integrated graphics onboard CPUs.

i think we're going off topic here. the ambiguity in your english language may be a source of confusion here. by 'less power', i mean to say 'less power per frame'

again, i'm not even sure if i was gaming when the crashes occurred. i don't have new games that need a tremendous amount of computing. i think i check the usage to find out the maximum memory usage was 2gb. again, i sent in almost every crash report

i'll tell you what, i will repurchase a 7700 and purchase a new titanium 700 watt psu to test your theory. if my new build doesn't crash i will buy you a cup of coffee. if my new build does crash, you will pay the restocking fees. however, again, i feel like we're going off topic

 

[hamoo]

And your Antec 550w is still underpowered for the 2 GPUs you mentioned.
And for a 3060 ti.

i am going to confirm this with tech support to see if it is supported by the reports. give me a few days on this

 

[hamoo]

i am going to confirm this with tech support to see if it is supported by the reports. give me a few days on this

thank you for pointing this out

 

[SkyNetRising]

you realize that 700 watts running through the 6 pin gpu power cable would melt the wires, maybe even melt more

Were you using only a single 6pin cable to power 7700xt and for 6800xt ?
They both require two 8pin cables.

this wasn't explicit, so when i said 'crashed' & 'unstable', i sent msi and amd the crash reports. it didn't just crash, and i gave up. i'm not even sure if it was loaded with a game. i was playing skrim with a 750 ti without a 6 pin gpu power connector. that's a maximum power draw of 66 watts. are you saying that with a new video card, i'm now going to need ten times the power ? that isn't entirely reasonable. matter of fact, the newer card should draw less power

GTX 750 ti is 60W card.
RX 7700XT is 250W card with transient power spikes up to 500W.
RX 6800XT is 300W card with transient power spikes up to 600W.

Your 550W PSU is fine for 60W card. But completely inadequate for modern high power cards.

it wasn't my idea to return the card, and tech support didn't suggest i upgrade my psu

Did you even tell them, what PSU you were using?
Probably not.

 

[hamoo]

Those were not cold calls direct to Tom and Ray.
Unlike what we get here.

lol, and lol. it doesn't have to be this difficult. i could easily pass relevant information to you through private messaging

 

[DSzymborski]

This is a PSU well over a decade old and not a particularly great one when it was new. You need to replace it for a new GPU *no matter what the crashing behaviors are*.