Question New 10th gen

[PanzaruRares]

Should i wait for the i5 10400f or should i buy the ryzen 5 3600 now. I only play games,no editing and stuff

 

[vov4ik_il]

Intel is dominating single-threaded performance so far (important for gaming), but AMD does not change the socket every generation... Up to you.

 

[GUN3Y]

I'd say wait if all you do is game. Plus Intel is slightly better when it comes to gaming whereas if you want a workstation then AMD is the choice.

 

[PanzaruRares]

the i5 10400f is like the i5 9400f but with 6/12 right? or does it have better single-thread performance

 

[Sohom]

i wud say get the ryzen 5 3600... the i5 is still based on the 14 nm design as skylake... Also the the TDP for i5 10400f will be higher than ryzen 5 3600... and more so, only one thing to keep in mind is that is pair it with a good set of rams with speeds of 3200 mhz or better... Ohh and also the intel i5 still only supports RAM speed of 2666 mhz out of the box... And u can overclock 3600 as well... read every article for motherboards for 3600 and go with the motherboard with the best VRM for proper overclocking... Cheers to gaming...

 

[vov4ik_il]

the i5 10400f is like the i5 9400f but with 6/12 right? or does it have better single-thread performance

There is more to it.

 

[PanzaruRares]

i wud say get the ryzen 5 3600... the i5 is still based on the 14 nm design as skylake... Also the the TDP for i5 10400f will be higher than ryzen 5 3600... and more so, only one thing to keep in mind is that is pair it with a good set of rams with speeds of 3200 mhz or better...

The r5 3600 and i5 10400f have the same 65W TDP

 

[Sohom]

The r5 3600 and i5 10400f have the same 65W TDP

ok, i may have read wrong then...

 

[Phaaze88]

The r5 3600 and i5 10400f have the same 65W TDP

Both AMD and Intel's TDP values are bogus, with Intel's being more so - their TDP only applies to their cpus at BASE FREQUENCY. Add Intel Turbo Boost or overclocking into the mix, and those TDPs are easily exceeded up to twice as much.
For AMD, it's closer to what they state: https://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=tL1F-qliSUk

No way is that 10400F 65w in stock operation. You have to purposely gimp the cpu in order to do that - why would you though? That cpu is going to be another 150-200w part.
The Ryzen 3600 would be closer to 100w.

9900K = 95w TDP, 9900KS = 127w TDP.
Both of these cpus easily exceed 200w...

 

[refillable]

The r5 3600 and i5 10400f have the same 65W TDP

Please stop taking Intel's TDP seriously. The 10400 will consume at least 50% more power, if not twice.

I think you'd be fine with both. Personally I'd probably wait if there's nothing else you do except gaming and don't really care about paying more for electricity. But the concern is how long are you willing to wait? In this certain situation that we're facing I won't even be surprised if you'd have to wait until July or August until you get these parts readily available.

 

[InvalidError]

Intel is dominating single-threaded performance so far (important for gaming), but AMD does not change the socket every generation... Up to you.

Apart from a few exceptions, Intel does not change sockets every generation either, only every other one.

Personally, I don't care about how long a platform may be supported with new CPUs: in the unlikely event that I wanted to upgrade within a platform's market life, I'd likely want an updated platform to go with newer CPUs to enable the updated IOs anyway.

 

[vov4ik_il]

Apart from a few exceptions, Intel does not change sockets every generation either, only every other one.

Personally, I don't care about how long a platform may be supported with new CPUs: in the unlikely event that I wanted to upgrade within a platform's market life, I'd likely want an updated platform to go with newer CPUs to enable the updated IOs anyway.

I'm right there with you on an intel build, however, the periphery is not getting updated as frequently to make use of a new board all that often. That is what I sympathize with AMD (the ability to upgrade within the same socket and independently CPU or motherboard). I just advised the pro's and con's.

 

[refillable]

Apart from a few exceptions, Intel does not change sockets every generation either, only every other one.

Personally, I don't care about how long a platform may be supported with new CPUs: in the unlikely event that I wanted to upgrade within a platform's market life, I'd likely want an updated platform to go with newer CPUs to enable the updated IOs anyway.

Actually I would and would definitely pull the trigger once Zen 3 kicks in with 12C+ 65W CPUs. We've talked about this before, it's about the choice. Not everyone thinks the same as you do.

Though, this discussion is somewhat irrelevant as AMD only committed AM4's continuity for 2020. But then, still do note that Rocket Lake most probably won't have 16 cores on them. This is already too far away from the topic.

 

[mdd1963]

the i5 10400f is like the i5 9400f but with 6/12 right? or does it have better single-thread performance

The addition of hyperthreading should make the 10400F perform similarly to the 8700K, which is a good place to be. (That is about where the R5-3600' performance levels are, anyway.

That might be something to evaluate after the gaming performance of the 10400F is known and at what clock speeds/power drawn, etc...; however, the R5-3600 does well ...today.

 

[rigg42]

Intel's TDP games make this a more complicated question than it might appear on the surface. Saying Intel is faster than AMD at gaming without slapping on a bunch of caveats doesn't mean anything.

Unless you decide to slap the 10400 into a low end z390 (that ignores the power and turbo duration limits by default) I'd expect it to be running somewhere between it's 2.9 base and it's 4.0 max all core turbo when gaming. A b460 board is likely to fully enforce TDP out of the box and is likely to encounter VRM thermal issues if power and turbo duration limit's are manually removed. You'll also need to stick a 120mm tower cooler on it to make this feasible. Although to be fair I'd do the same for a 3600.

Without a clock advantage the Intel CPU's won't really be appreciably faster anyway. Even in a best case scenario I'm not sure the 10400 will have enough clock-speed to outclass the 3600. The 3600x already holds its own with a stock 8700k. Not to mention you'd need to be in a CPU bound scenario for any of this to matter anyway.

 

[geofelt]

If you can wait, wait until we know how the 10th gen performs and also to see if ryzen prices will be adjusted.
We should know within the month.

 

[rigg42]

If you can wait, wait until we know how the 10th gen performs and also to see if ryzen prices will be adjusted.
We should know within the month.

I agree that the OP should wait. Performance won't be much of a mystery since most of these SKU's are so close to previus "gen" CPU's. AMD undercutting their pricing on or before release day is practically guaranteed. Any way you slice it waiting until all the cards are on the table to make a purchase decision is advisable.

 

[PanzaruRares]

Thanks everyone for the replies!