New budget(ish) gaming/editing/modeling Ryzen 5 build help!

[Sam_333]

Hi all, I'm planning on building my first PC soon.

My budget is between £500 - £800, but anything less would be great! (The UK doesn't have great part pricing at the moment...)

I want to do 3D CAD editing (SOLIDWORKS, Sketchup), photo/video editing, animation (all a relatively novice prosumer level) and to play games at max 60fps

I don't know about resolution either: 1080p or 1440p?

At the moment, I'm thinking along the lines of:

CPU: Ryzen 1600
GPU: Sapphire Pulse RX 580 4gb
RAM: Corsair Vengance LPX DDR4 8/16gb (not sure about speed)
Motherboard: MSI B350m Mortar MATX
Storage: 128/256gb SSD and HDD later?
Case: NZXT S340
PSU: Corsair CX450m

As I said, I'm new to all of this, so several questions:

What is the best value for money with the GPU, wither NVIDIA GTX1060 3/6gb, RX 480/570/580 4/8gb?

Same with CPU, do I go with the 1400, 1500X or 1600 (1600x is too high)

How much RAM will be enough, I was thinking 8GB now and double later?
Also, what's up with RYZEN and RAM speed? Generally there is very little price differentiation between DDR4 speeds

Sorry for the vast amount of questions/long post (I just would like a bit of guidance before parting with my money!)

Thanks for any help!

 

[IgorNew]

Hi I will leave you link to one video that use ryzen 5 1600 that goes for around 540£
It is listed in USA price but price of complete build should not change for more than few %
What i would change in that build gpu for maybe 1070 as that would be enough for 1440p but will eat and spit out 1080p if you can afford it as that would rise price to between 650 and 660£
And for sure swap your power supply for his. You don't need 520W mentioned in his video but one he suggest is far better quality.
If you decide to oc for sure change cooler something like CM hyper 212 will be enough

https://youtu.be/0rPYvuTCmBg

 

[adiec]

the Corsair CX450M (not the green label) is an excellent budget power supply .

the video linked above is a shambles , all the parts are listed as links to other videos , in an attempt to get more views. avoid .

 

[adiec]

@OP the budget is to include a monitor ? ram speed for ryzen 3000/3200 mhz , i'll attempt to put you together a build .

 

[ScrewySqrl]

you want as fast a ram as you can get for Ryzen (Samsung B-die, DDR4 3200)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£194.16 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - ICE BLADE 200M 43.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£14.98 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£64.38 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£118.51 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: OCZ - TRION 150 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£112.49 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£58.60 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 570 4GB PULSE ITX Video Card (£159.99 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Zalman - ZM-T4 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£23.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£48.36 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £795.46
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-23 22:36 BST+0100

this should be very good for 1920x1080

 

[IgorNew]

I did not say CX450M is bad I said SeaSonic S12II 520

Reference look jonnyGURU.com or even (a bit outdated but still can help) http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

Considering he use reference to channels that belong to some of the best known pc review youtubers and channels that belong to companies like Fractal Design.
I guess you looked first 10 sec of the video and made decision based on that gj man.

 

[varis]

Quality screen (probably IPS still nowadays?). 1440p if fits within budget some day.

Possibly wait for Vega cards. With luck might be in your budget or will bump down prices when they are introduced.

16GB RAM would be preferable I think, you'll need to shop for the higher speeds with Ryzen. Today it looks like it's the CPU or GPU that gets upgraded later on, not RAM.

SSD is useful for your data. Suggest reading sites like storagereview.com to get a hang of it. You'll balance speed vs size vs budget. (Don't go overboard 😉 )

The Trion 150 sounds like a nice option for the system due to price & capacity. However it's over a year old and you might see a better successor if you wait a few months? There are better performing drives out there, but then you'd get budget and capacity hurdles... SSDs can be easily added later on for your data in case you use the system for its planned purpose.

 

[Crestfallen_12]

Ryzen 7 1700 would not have difference in games but it would be better for editing, recording etc.

 

[adiec]

I did not say CX450M is bad I said SeaSonic S12II 520

Reference look jonnyGURU.com or even (a bit outdated but still can help) http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

Considering he use reference to channels that belong to some of the best known pc review youtubers and channels that belong to companies like Fractal Design.
I guess you looked first 10 sec of the video and made decision based on that gj man.

if you believe the the corsair CX450M should be replaced by the Seasonic s12iI because it is far better quality then you're mistaken.

and for your information i didn't look at just he first 10 seconds ! what i would expect from someone making a recommendation on this forum and this is a high quality forum with a huge amount of real experts , is a video with a parts listing first and foremost in the detail section. i wouldn't recommend a youtube channel that doesn't have a proven track record of excellence . when you suggest something you're putting your name against that .and the reputation of the forum .

i am not trying to insult you . just try to make yourself reputable and don't pluck a video out of thin air and affect your own credibility ! . you may be a genius for all i know !!

 

[adiec]

i selected a monitor as i was unsure if you needed one or not . also for your operating system https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£194.16 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£75.47 @ BT Shop)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£63.60 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£41.88 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card (£229.99 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£48.36 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: ViewSonic - VX2457-MHD 23.6" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor (£119.98 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Game Max Elysium Windowed Gaming White Case with 2x 120mm Blue LED Fans (£34.99)
Total: £808.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-23 22:44 BST+0100

 

[Sam_333]

you want as fast a ram as you can get for Ryzen (Samsung B-die, DDR4 3200)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£194.16 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - ICE BLADE 200M 43.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£14.98 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£64.38 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£118.51 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: OCZ - TRION 150 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£112.49 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£58.60 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 570 4GB PULSE ITX Video Card (£159.99 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Zalman - ZM-T4 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£23.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£48.36 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £795.46
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-23 22:36 BST+0100

this should be very good for 1920x1080

Hi, thanks for the reply,

I probably won't buy an aftermarket cooler/heatsink for now, as I won't use overclocking straight away and the AMD Stealth coolers are okay

Is the 1600 better value for money than the 1400/1500X? I want to save as much money as possible, but I still want to have good performance now and in the future and I have read that the 1600 is the best value option - will having 6 cores help?

Also is the RX 570 powerful enough? I've read it doesn't have as good value, compared to 480/580, but would it be powerful for what I need?

Thanks

 

[Sam_333]

i selected a monitor as i was unsure if you needed one or not . also for your operating system https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£194.16 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£75.47 @ BT Shop)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£63.60 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£41.88 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card (£229.99 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£48.36 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: ViewSonic - VX2457-MHD 23.6" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor (£119.98 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Game Max Elysium Windowed Gaming White Case with 2x 120mm Blue LED Fans (£34.99)
Total: £808.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-23 22:44 BST+0100

Hi, thanks for the quick reply,

That is a very nice complete setup for £800, is it better value/future proofing to get the RX 580 8GB model over the 4GB model? The Sapphire Pulse RX 580 4GB is about £195

I'm looking more towards between £600-£700, unless it works out far better value to spend more, not including monitor, and only for 1080P

Same with the CPU, could getting the 1400/1500X work, for good performance now and in the future? Bearing in mind I want to do editing and 3D modelling as well?

Storage wise, I will probs buy a 256GB ssd now and get a hard drive later

Thanks for the reply though, and nice looking/non tacky budget case!

 

[Sam_333]

@OP the budget is to include a monitor ? ram speed for ryzen 3000/3200 mhz , i'll attempt to put you together a build .

Hi,

£800 is a maximum, if it works out far better value for money, than anything less, but I'm aiming more £600-£700 for the PC
Monitor wise, my budget is max £130 for 1080p, I can't afford any higher resolution right now

 

[CRO5513Y]

The Corsair CXM (The grey label since 2015) are great budget Power Supplies, i have a SeaSonic S12-II 520w in one of my builds and i'd still take the Corsair CXM at that price any day of the week. They are both great budget series but the CXM's pricing has been fantastically positioned.

The Ryzen 1500X is a great CPU for Gaming and minor work on the side but i'd lean the 1600 if you do a good bit of Multi-tasking regularly, the extra cores and threads will help. But if multi-tasking and workloads aren't a priority, you can save cash on the 1500X if you need, Gaming performance is fairly similar.

Nothing wrong with going an SSD now and buying more storage later as long as you're sure it'll be enough. Finally, the RX 580 8GB is indeed a better option if you want to "future proof" in a sense but you can drop the price by a little for the 4GB if you require, you won't be loosing a whole lot but i'd definitely consider the 8GB since the price difference is fairly small. If you strictly need to drop the budget down more, i'd suggest dropping down to a Ryzen 1500X and RX 580 4GB, that way you lose fairly small performance yet price should trickle down enough. Hope this helps

 

[Sam_333]

The Corsair CXM (The grey label since 2015) are great budget Power Supplies, i have a SeaSonic S12-II 520w in one of my builds and i'd still take the Corsair CXM at that price any day of the week. They are both great budget series but the CXM's pricing has been fantastically positioned.

The Ryzen 1500X is a great CPU for Gaming and minor work on the side but i'd lean the 1600 if you do a good bit of Multi-tasking regularly, the extra cores and threads will help. But if multi-tasking and workloads aren't a priority, you can save cash on the 1500X if you need, Gaming performance is fairly similar.

Nothing wrong with going an SSD now and buying more storage later as long as you're sure it'll be enough. Finally, the RX 580 8GB is indeed a better option if you want to "future proof" in a sense but you can drop the price by a little for the 4GB if you require, you won't be loosing a whole lot but i'd definitely consider the 8GB since the price difference is fairly small. If you strictly need to drop the budget down more, i'd suggest dropping down to a Ryzen 1500X and RX 580 4GB, that way you lose fairly small performance yet price should trickle down enough. Hope this helps

Hi, thanks for the reply, it certainly does help!

I'll shop around and look at prices, but I think, for now, I will probs stick with 1600 and Rx 580 4GB, as gaming is not my main priority, but video editing/3D modeling etc. is.

What about the Ryzen 1400? The 1500X is only £10 cheaper, than the 1600 and not worth the pay off, but the 1400 is £40 cheaper. Would much performance be much lower than the 1500X bearing in mind I could potentially overclock (with aftermarket cooler in the future)? Would having halve the L3 cache (down from 16MB to 8MB) make a difference?

Thanks

 

[CRO5513Y]

The Corsair CXM (The grey label since 2015) are great budget Power Supplies, i have a SeaSonic S12-II 520w in one of my builds and i'd still take the Corsair CXM at that price any day of the week. They are both great budget series but the CXM's pricing has been fantastically positioned.

The Ryzen 1500X is a great CPU for Gaming and minor work on the side but i'd lean the 1600 if you do a good bit of Multi-tasking regularly, the extra cores and threads will help. But if multi-tasking and workloads aren't a priority, you can save cash on the 1500X if you need, Gaming performance is fairly similar.

Nothing wrong with going an SSD now and buying more storage later as long as you're sure it'll be enough. Finally, the RX 580 8GB is indeed a better option if you want to "future proof" in a sense but you can drop the price by a little for the 4GB if you require, you won't be loosing a whole lot but i'd definitely consider the 8GB since the price difference is fairly small. If you strictly need to drop the budget down more, i'd suggest dropping down to a Ryzen 1500X and RX 580 4GB, that way you lose fairly small performance yet price should trickle down enough. Hope this helps

Hi, thanks for the reply, it certainly does help!

I'll shop around and look at prices, but I think, for now, I will probs stick with 1600 and Rx 580 4GB, as gaming is not my main priority, but video editing/3D modeling etc. is.

What about the Ryzen 1400? The 1500X is only £10 cheaper, than the 1600 and not worth the pay off, but the 1400 is £40 cheaper. Would much performance be much lower than the 1500X bearing in mind I could potentially overclock (with aftermarket cooler in the future)? Woulf having halve the L3 cache (down from 16MB to 8MB) make a difference?

Thanks

The 1400 isn't a whole lot worse than the 1500X especially if you Overclock it like you said, but that still doesn't change the fact that the 1600 is a great CPU for Editing/Rendering thanks to it's higher core and thread counts that's the main thing you are loosing, the Cache while it does have some effect in some situations won't be as much of a deciding factor compared to cores/threads. If you can stick with the 1600 and RX 580 4GB that will be a great combo especially with that 1080p FreeSync Monitor.

 

[Sam_333]

The Corsair CXM (The grey label since 2015) are great budget Power Supplies, i have a SeaSonic S12-II 520w in one of my builds and i'd still take the Corsair CXM at that price any day of the week. They are both great budget series but the CXM's pricing has been fantastically positioned.

The Ryzen 1500X is a great CPU for Gaming and minor work on the side but i'd lean the 1600 if you do a good bit of Multi-tasking regularly, the extra cores and threads will help. But if multi-tasking and workloads aren't a priority, you can save cash on the 1500X if you need, Gaming performance is fairly similar.

Nothing wrong with going an SSD now and buying more storage later as long as you're sure it'll be enough. Finally, the RX 580 8GB is indeed a better option if you want to "future proof" in a sense but you can drop the price by a little for the 4GB if you require, you won't be loosing a whole lot but i'd definitely consider the 8GB since the price difference is fairly small. If you strictly need to drop the budget down more, i'd suggest dropping down to a Ryzen 1500X and RX 580 4GB, that way you lose fairly small performance yet price should trickle down enough. Hope this helps

Hi, thanks for the reply, it certainly does help!

I'll shop around and look at prices, but I think, for now, I will probs stick with 1600 and Rx 580 4GB, as gaming is not my main priority, but video editing/3D modeling etc. is.

What about the Ryzen 1400? The 1500X is only £10 cheaper, than the 1600 and not worth the pay off, but the 1400 is £40 cheaper. Would much performance be much lower than the 1500X bearing in mind I could potentially overclock (with aftermarket cooler in the future)? Woulf having halve the L3 cache (down from 16MB to 8MB) make a difference?

Thanks

The 1400 isn't a whole lot worse than the 1500X especially if you Overclock it like you said, but that still doesn't change the fact that the 1600 is a great CPU for Editing/Rendering thanks to it's higher core and thread counts that's the main thing you are loosing, the Cache while it does have some effect in some situations won't be as much of a deciding factor compared to cores/threads. If you can stick with the 1600 and RX 580 4GB that will be a great combo especially with that 1080p FreeSync Monitor.

Okay thanks, so for now, probably 1400 or 1600 then, the X models don't seem to have as good value

 

[varis]

Samsung 850 Evo is a good option if you want performance SSD. The Trion 150 seemed very attractive (unusually cheap) just in the 512GB size.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

as for my 570 choice: I selected it as 'good enough' for 1080p gaming/rendering while still getting the 6-core CPU and a large SSD.