Question New Build. Don't care for fancy RBG

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I am open to substitutions of parts if performance is equal, better, and price goes down as well. I used the PC PartPicker compatibility filter, but I know that isn't necessarily a guarantee.

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: Within the next few weeks

Budget Range: $1,000 - $1,300

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming (and all that one does while gaming - Discord, video streams, etc.)

Are you buying a monitor: No, not immediately. I might one day, but out of scope of this change.

Parts to Upgrade: Parts that are in this list - PC Part Picker

Do you need to buy OS: Yes
Please note that if you're using an OEM license of Windows, you will need a new one when buying a new motherboard.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
Amazon, Microcenter, Newegg

Location: Atlanta, Ga, USA

Parts Preferences: No preference

Overclocking: Probably won't be overclocking - never messed with it before

SLI or Crossfire: Not sure

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 or 2560x1080 depending on monitor used

Additional Comments: Quiet. I have the case in the build because I love the case and already have it from previous build.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Upgrading as my previous build is from 2013 and my laptop is going to go to my wife for her work.
 
You can build as is.

Some thoughts:

I love the HAF XB evo. I use it also.
It has to be the easiest case ever to work on.

5600X is a reasonable processor, particularly if you are coming from an amd build. Double check that your selected ram is supported; not all ram is.
The motherboard ram QVL list or the g.skil ram selection app will confirm.
Ryzen is particularly dependent on fast ram and is picky about compatibility.
If your previous build was intel, there will be a learning curve.

If your previous pc was intel based, check out something like the I5-13400.
Intel does not depend on fast ram; if you had ddr4 before, it would likely be fine.

I found the hyper212 to be very difficult to mount evenly.
I would avoid it.

There are better options out there Top quality goes to Noctua.
The thermalright peerless asassin is a good value .
https://www.newegg.com/p/0VE-01P6-0...M3_FOv85brtcduhDHxAhisIyAnTTJWp2IPqw1365EYe7o


I would buy a single 2tb m.2 ssd to begin with.
It is easier to manage a single C drive space.
Adding storage later is easy.

I see no price on the psu. Do you own it?
 
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PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor | $184.55 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler | $40.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS WIFI II ATX AM4 Motherboard | $169.99 @ B&H
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory | $93.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card | $489.99 @ Newegg
Case | Cooler Master HAF XB EVO ATX Desktop Case | $124.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $119.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1309.39
| Mail-in rebates | -$25.00
| Total | $1284.39
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-03-16 15:58 EDT-0400 |
 
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You can build as is.

Some thoughts:

I love the HAF XB evo. I use it also.
It has to be the easiest case ever to work on.

5600X is a reasonable processor, particularly if you are coming from an amd build. Double check that your selected ram is supported; not all ram is.
The motherboard ram QVL list or the g.skil ram selection app will confirm.
Ryzen is particularly dependent on fast ram and is picky about compatibility.
If your previous build was intel, there will be a learning curve.

If your previous pc was intel based, check out something like the I5-13400.
Intel does not depend on fast ram; if you had ddr4 before, it would likely be fine.

I found the hyper212 to be very difficult to mount evenly.
I would avoid it.

There are better options out there Top quality goes to Noctua.
The thermalright peerless asassin is a good value .
https://www.newegg.com/p/0VE-01P6-00005?item=9SIBFKMJ657486&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-_-cpu cooling--thermalright--9SIBFKMJ657486&source=region&srsltid=Ad5pg_G_Oy3AZFM3_FOv85brtcduhDHxAhisIyAnTTJWp2IPqw1365EYe7o


I would buy a single 2tb m.2 ssd to begin with.

I see no price on the psu. Do you own it?

Thank you so much! The PSU didn't have a price on PPP, but it's $145. I have an old PSU that is 650W and also Coolermaster (PPP Link to Old PSU)

I'll try the Noctua instead of the 212.

I will double check the ram compatibility on the 5600X. I am not against an i5 either. I'll look at pricing. This will date how old my old parts were... i5-3570k lol..
 

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PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor | $184.55 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler | $40.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS WIFI II ATX AM4 Motherboard | $169.99 @ B&H
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory | $93.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card | $489.99 @ Newegg
Case | Cooler Master HAF XB EVO ATX Desktop Case | $124.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $119.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1309.39
| Mail-in rebates | -$25.00
| Total | $1284.39
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-03-16 15:58 EDT-0400 |

Woaw! Nice one!! Thanks!! I was just looking at some SSD reviews and a lot of good stuff about the WD Black series
 
Noctua maintains a list of suitable coolers for processors.
Here is the list for the 5600x:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-1047

Do not be much swayed by vendor synthetic SSD benchmarks.
They are done with apps that push the SSD to it's maximum using queue lengths of 30 or so.
Most desktop users will do one or two things at a time, so they will see queue lengths of one or two.
What really counts is the response times, particularly for small random I/O. That is what the os does mostly.
For that, the response times of current SSD's are remarkably similar. And quick. They will be 50X faster than a hard drive.
In sequential operations, they will be 2x faster than a hard drive, perhaps 3x if you have a sata3 interface.
6X with a pcie interface.
Larger SSD's are preferable. They have more nand chips that can be accessed in parallel. Sort of an internal raid-0 if you will.
Also, a SSD will slow down as it approaches full. That is because it will have a harder time finding free nand blocks
to do an update without a read/write operation.
Larger ssd devices have more endurance.

Check out how well these experts could tell the difference among ssd types:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA


spoiler... not much.

Most games depend on the performance of the single master thread.
Run the cpu-Z bench on your i5-3570K.
You should get a score like 383:
https://valid.x86.fr/bench/5eb68r
 
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This build is based on a video card (RTX 4060) due for release next month.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02
Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case $88.98

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bq...ied-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpg-a650gf
MSI MPG A650GF 650W 80+ Gold Modular ATX Power Supply $99.00

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Gx...atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760-gaming-x-ax-ddr4
Gigabyte B760 GAMING X AX DDR4 $159.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pQNxFT/intel-core-i5-12400f-25-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512400f
Intel Core i5-12400F $162.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QPkWGX/deepcool-ak400-6647-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak400-bknnmn-g-1
DeepCool AK400 CPU Cooler $34.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PJ...-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tlzgd432g3600hc18jdc01
TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z DDR4-3600 32GB (2x16GB) CL18 $71.98

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VZ...ie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000p5pssd8
Crucial P5 Plus 2TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 x4 NVME SSD $122.99

Total: $688.94

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/rtx-4060-release-date-price-spec-benchmarks
NVIDIA RTX 4060 $400 - $450 if I had to guess.

A better look at those components.


https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-X-AX-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i5-12400-review

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...formance-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2021/15222.shtml

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool-ak400-cpu-cooler/10.html

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2400f-processor-18m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html

i5 12400 / 12400F gaming bechmarks.

i512400.jpg
 
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This build is based on a video card (RTX 4060) due for release next month.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02
Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case $88.98

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bq...ied-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpg-a650gf
MSI MPG A650GF 650W 80+ Gold Modular ATX Power Supply $99.00

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Gx...atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760-gaming-x-ax-ddr4
Gigabyte B760 GAMING X AX DDR4 $159.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pQNxFT/intel-core-i5-12400f-25-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512400f
Intel Core i5-12400F $162.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QPkWGX/deepcool-ak400-6647-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak400-bknnmn-g-1
DeepCool AK400 CPU Cooler $34.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PJ...-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tlzgd432g3600hc18jdc01
TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z DDR4-3600 32GB (2x16GB) CL18 $71.98

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VZ...ie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000p5pssd8
Crucial P5 Plus 2TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 x4 NVME SSD $122.99

Total: $688.94

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/rtx-4060-release-date-price-spec-benchmarks
NVIDIA RTX 4060 $400 - $450 if I had to guess.

A better look at those components.


https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-X-AX-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i5-12400-review

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...formance-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2021/15222.shtml

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool-ak400-cpu-cooler/10.html

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2400f-processor-18m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html

i5 12400 / 12400F gaming bechmarks.

i512400.jpg
Super cool and much better value there! I assume it would work with less than a 4060?
 

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Noctua maintains a list of suitable coolers for processors.
Here is the list for the 5600x:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-1047

Do not be much swayed by vendor synthetic SSD benchmarks.
They are done with apps that push the SSD to it's maximum using queue lengths of 30 or so.
Most desktop users will do one or two things at a time, so they will see queue lengths of one or two.
What really counts is the response times, particularly for small random I/O. That is what the os does mostly.
For that, the response times of current SSD's are remarkably similar. And quick. They will be 50X faster than a hard drive.
In sequential operations, they will be 2x faster than a hard drive, perhaps 3x if you have a sata3 interface.
6X with a pcie interface.
Larger SSD's are preferable. They have more nand chips that can be accessed in parallel. Sort of an internal raid-0 if you will.
Also, a SSD will slow down as it approaches full. That is because it will have a harder time finding free nand blocks
to do an update without a read/write operation.
Larger ssd devices have more endurance.

Check out how well these experts could tell the difference among ssd types:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA


spoiler... not much.

Most games depend on the performance of the single master thread.
Run the cpu-Z bench on your i5-3570K.
You should get a score like 383:
https://valid.x86.fr/bench/5eb68r
Awesome knowledge shared! I really appreciate it. I’ll be putting together my shopping list soon 😬
 
RTX 3060 Ti, 170Hz IPS gaming monitor and Windows.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($160.85 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.96 @ B&H)
Motherboard: *MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($104.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: *MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR 8 GB Video Card ($393.85 @ Amazon)
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($60.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Best Buy)
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan ($9.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: *Gigabyte G24F 2 23.8" 1920 x 1080 180 Hz Monitor ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1269.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
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https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/black-tg-clear-tint/

 

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Definitely don't re-use that old Cooler Master. It's a decade-old, group-regulated PSU manufactured by Seventeam and while Cooler Master has sold considerably worse PSUs, it still would be unsuitable to be used with new hardware.
Thanks! I am thankful to have a ton of knowledge on these forums. I don’t come around a lot, but always been helpful with insights, tips, things to avoid/ look out for! Will definitely update the PSU.
 
The Why_Me suggestion of a i5-12400F got me thinking.
Look at the i3-13100 for $117:

It represents a big jump over your I5-3570K.
The 3570K has 4 processing threads and a passmark rating of 4927. That is when all 4 threads are fully busy.
The single thread rating is 2084. It is the single thread rating that is most important for gamers.
By comparison, the I3-13100 has 8 threads and a total rating of 15611. More importantly, the single thread rating is 3767. A touch better than the 3531 of the older gen 12400F.
The 13100 will include integrated graphics and a suitable cooler.
I recently built with a 13100 and inadvertently connected the cooler to the pump header. The noise was not noticeable, I only knew of the mistake by seeing the fan running madly. You need no other cooler.
A bit of savings on the cpu will allow you to budget more for the graphics card that is so important for fast action or higher resolutions.
 
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I will not directly comment on the recommendations but since you say you live near atlanta after you have some idea what you want be sure to compare the prices with microcenter. I think there are 2 microcenter fairly close to atlanta and they tend to have very good pricing.

This^

The 12400 and 5700x perform almost equally at 1080p. Get whatever is cheaper when the full build costs are compared. Yoy will get an additonal $20 off a compatible motherboard at Micro Center, Micro it is THE best place to get the cpu and motherboard. For the memory and psu you should shop around as MC does not always have the lowest price on these components.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UpqlnX_pTI
 
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The Why_Me suggestion of a i5-12400F got me thinking. Look at the i3-13100 for $117:

It represents a big jump over your I5-3570K.
The 3570K has 4 processing threads and a passmark rating of 4927. That is when all 4 threads are fully busy.
The single thread rating is 2084. It is the single thread rating that is most important for gamers.
By comparison, the I3-13100 has 8 threads and a total rating of 15611. More importantly, the single thread rating is 3767. A touch better than the 3531 of the older gen 12400F.
The 13100 will include integrated graphics and a suitable cooler.
I recently built with a 13100 and inadvertently connected the cooler to the pump header. The noise was not noticeable, I only knew of the mistake by seeing the fan running madly. You need no other cooler.
A bit of savings on the cpu will allow you to budget more for the graphics card that is so important for fast action or higher resolutions.
More budget for a GPU. I won’t complain about that!
 

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RTX 3060 Ti, 170Hz IPS gaming monitor and Windows.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($160.85 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.96 @ B&H)
Motherboard: *MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($104.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: *MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR 8 GB Video Card ($393.85 @ Amazon)
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($60.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Best Buy)
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan ($9.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: *Gigabyte G24F 2 23.8" 1920 x 1080 180 Hz Monitor ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1269.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-09 03:46 EDT-0400



https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/black-tg-clear-tint/

@Why_Me I assume this would still be a solid build even though we are quite a bit further out than I had anticipated for ordering all the parts. I will order them all in the next couple of days now, just wanted to confirm your thoughts :)
 
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@Why_Me I assume this would still be a solid build even though we are quite a bit further out than I had anticipated for ordering all the parts. I will order them all in the next couple of days now, just wanted to confirm your thoughts :)
Prices on components change on an almost daily basis.

Updated build.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($149.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: *Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.89 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B760-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($159.95 @ B&H)
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($60.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.00 @ Newegg)
Case: *Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: *FSP Group Hydro GE 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $649.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-12 19:36 EDT-0400
 
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Prices on components change on an almost daily basis.

Updated build.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($149.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: *Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.89 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B760-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($159.95 @ B&H)
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($60.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.00 @ Newegg)
Case: *Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: *FSP Group Hydro GE 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $649.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-12 19:36 EDT-0400
You rock!
 
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