[SOLVED] New cpu, ryzen or intel?

[PhilFails]

Hey everyone, I'm looking at getting a new pc, I currently have a 1060 6gb with an i5 7600k. I'm looking to get either a ryzen 7 5700x or i7 11700k and wanted to know everyones opinion on which to get? I'll be running it with my 1060 for a few month until I have enough to get a new GPU (3070ti or higher or amd equivalent)

Any help would be appreciated! And if anyone has a minute and knows anything about motherboards, could suggest a mobo with their cpu suggestion? Will be running 16 or 32gb ram depending on price, 3400mhz.

Thanks ❤

 

[larsv8]

Lets take a step back.

What is your all in budget

What are your goals, IE gaming at a certain resolution, refresh rate?

In other words, what monitor do you intend on using and what games do you play.

 

[gg83]

I'd say AMD. Unless the 11700k goes on sale, which is very possible.

 

[PhilFails]

Lets take a step back.

What is your all in budget

What are your goals, IE gaming at a certain resolution, refresh rate?

In other words, what monitor do you intend on using and what games do you play.

Hey . I play Escape From Tarkov, bit of cod, csgo, rocket league, valorant, and a few others. Currently 1080p at 144hz but will be upgrading it to a 165 1440p at some point in the future.

 

[PhilFails]

Lets take a step back.

What is your all in budget

What are your goals, IE gaming at a certain resolution, refresh rate?

In other words, what monitor do you intend on using and what games do you play.

Sorry, and budget for the pc without gpu is around d £1000, preferably on the lower but this pc has to last me a good few years so whatever is the best complete build, including case psu, ram, mobo and cpu. Then when I sell my old build I'll be putting that money towards the gpu.

 

[logainofhades]

I would also say Ryzen 5800x, for just gaming. The 11700k is not a very good chip, and is very power hungry. I'd recommend an i9 10850k, over an 11700k. The 5800x is faster than either, in gaming anyway. The 10850k's extra cores help in multithreaded tasks.

 

[Endre]

Hey everyone, I'm looking at getting a new pc, I currently have a 1060 6gb with an i5 7600k. I'm looking to get either a ryzen 7 5700x or i7 11700k and wanted to know everyones opinion on which to get? I'll be running it with my 1060 for a few month until I have enough to get a new GPU (3070ti or higher or amd equivalent)

Any help would be appreciated! And if anyone has a minute and knows anything about motherboards, could suggest a mobo with their cpu suggestion? Will be running 16 or 32gb ram depending on price, 3400mhz.

Thanks ❤

Regarding the CPU:
Instead of an i7-11700K, I’d choose an i9-10900K (10-Cores, 20-Threads, L3 Cache: 20MB).

 

[PhilFails]

I would also say Ryzen 5800x, for just gaming. The 11700k is not a very good chip, and is very power hungry. I'd recommend an i9 10850k, over an 11700k. The 5800x is faster than either, in gaming anyway. The 10850k's extra cores help in multithreaded tasks.

@Endre Would you say the i9 would be worth the extra £100?

 

[larsv8]

Here a good starting point including a 165 hz 1440p monitor. Forgive me as this is in USD, and I am clueless on foreign markets. I may have missed what GPU you are using but 850 can handle just about anything. (Runs my 3090 fine). Can save money and downgrade to a 750w or 650w if needed. If you do commit to 1440p gaming, you can save more money, and downgrade to a 5600x with a stock cooler, as you will be more GPU bound.

These are basically all "bang for your buck" selections

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($43.89 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M BAZOOKA Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Adorama)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor ($357.08 @ Amazon)
Total: $1280.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-20 14:33 EDT-0400

 

[PhilFails]

Here a good starting point including a 165 hz 1440p monitor. Forgive me as this is in USD, and I am clueless on foreign markets.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($43.89 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M BAZOOKA Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Adorama)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor ($357.08 @ Amazon)
Total: $1280.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-20 14:33 EDT-0400

Amazing! Ty will work on that and post back and see what you think if that's cool

 

[PhilFails]

Here a good starting point including a 165 hz 1440p monitor. Forgive me as this is in USD, and I am clueless on foreign markets. I may have missed what GPU you are using but 850 can handle just about anything. (Runs my 3090 fine). Can save money and downgrade to a 750w or 650w if needed. If you do commit to 1440p gaming, you can save more money, and downgrade to a 5600x with a stock cooler, as you will be more GPU bound.

These are basically all "bang for your buck" selections

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($43.89 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M BAZOOKA Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Adorama)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor ($357.08 @ Amazon)
Total: $1280.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-20 14:33 EDT-0400

What do you think of https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/PhilFails/saved/K3HHGX

 

[logainofhades]

I made minor changes, to board, ram, and cooling. DDR4 3600 cl18 isn't any faster than ddr4 3200 cl16, in real world apps, so I swapped it to 3600 cl16. The cooler is a bit cheaper, and has been shown to handle a 5900x, with ease. B550 is a better choice vs B450. You get better I/O ports, a better quality board all round, typically, with PCI-E 3.0, instead of 2.0, for lanes coming off the chipset, like the second M.2, and any slots below the top PCI-E x16 graphics card slot. It is likely you will need to do a bios update regardless of which one you get.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor (£368.39 @ Newegg UK)
CPU Cooler: Vetroo V5 52 CFM CPU Cooler (£31.59 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£105.69 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£73.16 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Crucial P5 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£76.59 @ CCL Computers)
Case: KOLINK OBSERVATORY LITE MESH RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (£53.13 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£89.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £798.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-20 21:45 BST+0100

 

[rakibfahadgts]

Afaik 5700x doesn't exist. There's 5700g and 5800x

 

[PhilFails]

Afaik 5700x doesn't exist. There's 5700g and 5800x

Was a mistype :s

 

[PhilFails]

I made minor changes, to board, ram, and cooling. DDR4 3600 cl18 isn't any faster than ddr4 3200 cl16, in real world apps, so I swapped it to 3600 cl16. The cooler is a bit cheaper, and has been shown to handle a 5900x, with ease. B550 is a better choice vs B450. You get better I/O ports, a better quality board all round, typically, with PCI-E 3.0, instead of 2.0, for lanes coming off the chipset, like the second M.2, and any slots below the top PCI-E x16 graphics card slot. It is likely you will need to do a bios update regardless of which one you get.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor (£368.39 @ Newegg UK)
CPU Cooler: Vetroo V5 52 CFM CPU Cooler (£31.59 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£105.69 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£73.16 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Crucial P5 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£76.59 @ CCL Computers)
Case: KOLINK OBSERVATORY LITE MESH RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (£53.13 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£89.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £798.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-20 21:45 BST+0100

Amazing! I did a quick look and the cooler doesn't seem to hold its own for the 5800x, and I will be running it overclocked.
So really I'd like the x62 or the d15. Out of these two, which would you say? Thanks

 

[Aman_James]

intel's 11th gen is a joke
i9 10900k is more powerful than i9 11900k.
you need an expensive board with better vrm design just to achieve the boost clock for the processor like i5.
Different boards of the same chipset give you different performance on same processor.
Gear 1 and gear 2 configuration might be confusing for some people.
K series processor doesn't make much sense. (not a con for me)

The problem with intel is their processor are still on their 14nm architecture so they need more power (compare to equivalent AMD processors) to deliver identical performance.

Opinion

If you can wait for upcoming technology (which could take some time) like intel's 12th gen then I recommend you to wait for new-gen boards, processors, or maybe ddr5 ram otherwise build with AMD or if somebody giving you a huge discount on intel products then, you can consider intel.

 

[PhilFails]

intel's 11th gen is a joke
i9 10900k is more powerful than i9 11900k.
you need an expensive board with better vrm design just to achieve the boost clock for the processor like i5.
Different boards of the same chipset give you different performance on same processor.
Gear 1 and gear 2 configuration might be confusing for some people.
K series processor doesn't make much sense. (not a con for me)

The problem with intel is their processor are still on their 14nm architecture so they need more power (compare to equivalent AMD processors) to deliver identical performance.

Opinion

If you can wait for upcoming technology (which could take some time) like intel's 12th gen then I recommend you to wait for new-gen boards, processors, or maybe ddr5 ram otherwise build with AMD or if somebody giving you a huge discount on intel products then, you can consider intel.

No worries ty . I'll just grab the 5800x, it'll do what I need it for

 

[Endre]

@Endre Would you say the i9 would be worth the extra £100?

Yes. It definitely would be worth it.
(As long as you want to go with an Intel platform).

NOTE:
Please don’t be caught in the “high numbers” trap! Like choosing 16GB RAM at high frequencies (bad) vs 32GB RAM at lower frequencies (good).
It is not all about FPS in games. It’s also about smoothness & “fluid feeling” that no synthetic benchmark will be able to show you.

 

[madmatt30]

Yes. It definitely would be worth it.
(As long as you want to go with an Intel platform).

NOTE:
Please don’t be caught in the “high numbers” trap! Like choosing 16GB RAM at high frequencies (bad) vs 32GB RAM at lower frequencies (good).
It is not all about FPS in games. It’s also about smoothness & “fluid feeling” that no synthetic benchmark will be able to show you.

I'm with Aman_James on this one, the i9's require a £250 motherboard and £150 worth of cooler.

Totally inefficient and something I would absolutely steer clear of.

Definitely go with the 5800x imo.

Cooling wise if rgb is your bag (assuming so with the case) then the deepcool as500 is absolutely rock solid performance wise and it looks nice - its up there close to the d15 when it comes to performance and is so much nicer aesthetically.

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08G1DC99Z/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_HPPXN7XK1W6VY45KJYNY

 

[Hellfire13]

If you want it to last long...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor | £368.39 @ Newegg UK
CPU Cooler | Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler | £89.99 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard | MSI MPG B550 GAMING CARBON WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard | £159.94 @ Amazon UK
Memory | Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory | £79.24 @ Box Limited
Storage | Corsair MP600 Core 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | £109.99 @ Amazon UK
Case | Corsair 275R Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case | £67.45 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | £79.99 @ Scan.co.uk
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | £954.99
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-21 08:05 BST+0100 |

 

[Endre]

I'm with Aman_James on this one, the i9's require a £250 motherboard and £150 worth of cooler.

Totally inefficient and something I would absolutely steer clear of.

Definitely go with the 5800x imo.

Cooling wise if rgb is your bag (assuming so with the case) then the deepcool as500 is absolutely rock solid performance wise and it looks nice - its up there close to the d15 when it comes to performance and is so much nicer aesthetically.

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08G1DC99Z/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_HPPXN7XK1W6VY45KJYNY

I agree that AMD is the better choice right now.
About the cooling solution, I’d go with an AIO.

 

[Hellfire13]

I agree that AMD is the better choice right now.
About the cooling solution, I’d go with an AIO.

The problem with water cooling is that the good quality ones worth considering are way too expensive for the little gain they have, and the rest are simply not worth it...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VzXHUTqE7E