Question new graphic card

[jostegogar]

hi guys im planning to buy a new VGA sine my current one is nuts and cant even run old games with acceptable fps i need ur advise to buy it
my current pc: cpu core i3 6100
VGA: gt730 :/
motherboard: h110 plus
psu: 380 w green no pin
far as i know if i buy a gtx 1050 series i dont need stronger psu but 1050 is a little bit old and im concerned about new games.
or i can buy a gtx 1060 which requires new power supply. i want to know if 1060 is worth to buy psu or not since its a medium range vga. Thanks in advance

 

[Aeacus]

Well, here's how GPUs are performing:
GTX 1050 can do low/medium settings @ 1080p or medium/high settings @ 720p.
GTX 1050 Ti can do medium settings @ 1080p or high settings @ 720p.
GTX 1060 can do high/ultra settings @ 1080p or high/ultra settings @ 720p.

GPU comparisons:
GTX 1050 vs GTX 1050 Ti: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/3650vs3649
GTX 1050 Ti vs GTX 1060 6GB: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB/3649vs3639

So, it depends what you're after.
If you have funds, GTX 1060 3/6GB with good quality 500W range PSU (e.g Seasonic Focus 550) will give your PC far better performance in games than keeping your current PSU and going with GTX 1050 Ti.
Note: if you go with GTX 1050 Ti, pick the one that doesn't need 6-pin PCI-E power cable. Some need while some don't, so keep your eye out for that one.

 

[jostegogar]

Well, here's how GPUs are performing:
GTX 1050 can do low/medium settings @ 1080p or medium/high settings @ 720p.
GTX 1050 Ti can do medium settings @ 1080p or high settings @ 720p.
GTX 1060 can do high/ultra settings @ 1080p or high/ultra settings @ 720p.

GPU comparisons:
GTX 1050 vs GTX 1050 Ti: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/3650vs3649
GTX 1050 Ti vs GTX 1060 6GB: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB/3649vs3639

So, it depends what you're after.
If you have funds, GTX 1060 3/6GB with good quality 500W range PSU (e.g Seasonic Focus 550) will give your PC far better performance in games than keeping your current PSU and going with GTX 1050 Ti.
Note: if you go with GTX 1050 Ti, pick the one that doesn't need 6-pin PCI-E power cable. Some need while some don't, so keep your eye out for that one.

TThank u so much. So im going for 1060 and a better psu to make sure i dont get in any trouble in near future. And there is something else i have oraman green case and i couldnt figure it out if 1060 fits or not maybe someone with experience can tell me that. I will be appreciated

 

[ElectrO_90]

Before you go spending your money on a 1060
The NEW 1660's and 1650's are coming out
I think the 1660 is already out, but the 1650 is coming out soon.
They should be superior to the 10xx series for similar price.

Just found this

DigiTimes has heard from so-called "industry sources" that the GeForce GTX 1660 will cost $229 (around £224), while the GTX 1650 will set buyers back $179 (some £134). The former will reportedly launch 15 March and the latter on 30 April.

Your Case is Midi ATX - should fit

 

[SgtScream]

It depends on the game(s) you want to play, the resolution/refresh rate of you monitor and the graphical detail (eye candy) you expect to achieve.
There is no cut and dry answer to this question.
You could very well purchase an adequate graphics card, however your 7 year old cpu, motherboard, memory combo may be the limiting factor which would hold back that new card, resulting in wasted money and performance.

 

[ElectrO_90]

however your 7 year old cpu, motherboard, memory combo may be the limiting factor

The CPU isn't even 4 years old yet, although it's not the best CPU it is far from being 7 years old.

 

[SgtScream]

The CPU isn't even 4 years old yet, although it's not the best CPU it is far from being 7 years old.

My mistake on the gen. But i'd like the OP to answer my above post about the monitor specs, game(s) and graphical detail expectations.
The whole system needs to be taken into account when trying to achieve gaming results, not just the graphics card.

 

[King_V]

I don't know where you're located, but typically in the US, the GTX 1660 is the same price or less than the GTX 1060 6GB, and performs better, so I would recommend the 1660.

 

[Aeacus]

TThank u so much. So im going for 1060 and a better psu to make sure i dont get in any trouble in near future. And there is something else i have oraman green case and i couldnt figure it out if 1060 fits or not maybe someone with experience can tell me that. I will be appreciated

According your case specs;
link: http://www.green-case.com/products/case/midi/case.php?model=oraman

You have max 270mm of GPU clearance in it. That sets quite a bit of limitation since most dual-fan GPUs are over 270mm long (e.g my MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 3G is 277mm long). Though, what you can fit in there are single fan GPUs.

Before you go spending your money on a 1060
The NEW 1660's and 1650's are coming out
I think the 1660 is already out, but the 1650 is coming out soon.
They should be superior to the 10xx series for similar price.

Just found this

DigiTimes has heard from so-called "industry sources" that the GeForce GTX 1660 will cost $229 (around £224), while the GTX 1650 will set buyers back $179 (some £134). The former will reportedly launch 15 March and the latter on 30 April.

Your Case is Midi ATX - should fit

Well, the thing is that when you're pushing the budget bit by bit, you can get better GPU but in the end, it also costs more.

Cheapest GPUs in USA currently (also all 3x fit in OP's PC case):
$199.99 - GTX 1060 6GB
$219.99 - GTX 1660
$274.99 - GTX 1660 Ti
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/9FKcCJ,ychKHx,NHdxFT/

Performance wise, there is difference but question comes down if the increased cost is worth it;
GTX 1060 6GB vs GTX 1660, comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1660/3639vs4038
GTX 1660 vs GTX 1660 Ti, comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1660-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1660-Ti/4038vs4037

On average, GTX 1660 is 7% better and costs $20 more than GTX 1060 6GB. While on average, GTX 1660 Ti is 20% better and costs $55 more than GTX 1660. Of course, when comparing GTX 1060 6GB with GTX 1660 Ti, the latter is on average 28% better but also costs $75 more. With $75, OP can buy Seasonic Focus+ 550 (80+ Gold) PSU,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bk...fied-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fx

 

[ElectrO_90]

According your case specs;
link: http://www.green-case.com/products/case/midi/case.php?model=oraman

You have max 270mm of GPU clearance in it. That sets quite a bit of limitation since most dual-fan GPUs are over 270mm long (e.g my MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 3G is 277mm long). Though, what you can fit in there are single fan GPUs.


Well, the thing is that when you're pushing the budget bit by bit, you can get better GPU but in the end, it also costs more.

Cheapest GPUs in USA currently (also all 3x fit in OP's PC case):
$199.99 - GTX 1060 6GB
$219.99 - GTX 1660
$274.99 - GTX 1660 Ti
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/9FKcCJ,ychKHx,NHdxFT/

Performance wise, there is difference but question comes down if the increased cost is worth it;
GTX 1060 6GB vs GTX 1660, comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1660/3639vs4038
GTX 1660 vs GTX 1660 Ti, comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1660-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1660-Ti/4038vs4037

On average, GTX 1660 is 7% better and costs $20 more than GTX 1060 6GB. While on average, GTX 1660 Ti is 20% better and costs $55 more than GTX 1660. Of course, when comparing GTX 1060 6GB with GTX 1660 Ti, the latter is on average 28% better but also costs $75 more. With $75, OP can buy Seasonic Focus+ 550 (80+ Gold) PSU,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bk...fied-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fx

Your userbench marks are useless, because there are NO game comparisons, so you shouldn't even be looking at that.

 

[Aeacus]

Your userbench marks are useless, because there are NO game comparisons, so you shouldn't even be looking at that.

If you don't want to look them, fine by me. You're not the one looking for new GPU and OP of this topic.

Btw, how you're deciding which GPU performs better? Hearsay? Price? Or do you believe that OP should take your word at face value?

Userbenchmark uses same tests for all the entries and anyone can submit entry free of charge. Once the entry pool is big enough, Userbenchmark takes the average of all entries and ranks the GPU by that. With it, you can get pretty credible results.
Game comparisons are more of a guideline than actual rule since even the same hardware PCs can get different results in same game. So, they are not that credible. Also, Userbenchmark does have your beloved game comparisons as well, e.g GTX 1060 6GB vs GTX 1070,
link: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1070/3639vs3609

Since there aren't enough game FPS entries for GTX 1660 and GTX 1660 Ti, Userbenchmark doesn't display them at this point of time.

 

[jostegogar]

It depends on the game(s) you want to play, the resolution/refresh rate of you monitor and the graphical detail (eye candy) you expect to achieve.
There is no cut and dry answer to this question.
You could very well purchase an adequate graphics card, however your 7 year old cpu, motherboard, memory combo may be the limiting factor which would hold back that new card, resulting in wasted money and performance.

i play mostly cs go thast why fps is so important to me for a better shooting. i also play RE and tomb raider (i couldnt play last versions bcz of fps) i want minimum 60 fps in all games.
my monitor is a little bit old 1366*768 60 Hz means i cant play full hd (but thats a good thing i get better fps right?)
my cpu is 6 generation its not 7 years old i bought it about 3 years ago
i have 8GB ram 2133MHz DDR4

 

[SgtScream]

Since 1060 or a 1660 will require a new power supply, i'd look for the 1650 ti equivalent when it's released. That would be the sweat spot, giving better performance than the 1050 ti without needing a new psu and it would be plenty for running games at that resolution.

 

[jostegogar]

According your case specs;
link: http://www.green-case.com/products/case/midi/case.php?model=oraman

You have max 270mm of GPU clearance in it. That sets quite a bit of limitation since most dual-fan GPUs are over 270mm long (e.g my MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 3G is 277mm long). Though, what you can fit in there are single fan GPUs.


Well, the thing is that when you're pushing the budget bit by bit, you can get better GPU but in the end, it also costs more.

Cheapest GPUs in USA currently (also all 3x fit in OP's PC case):
$199.99 - GTX 1060 6GB
$219.99 - GTX 1660
$274.99 - GTX 1660 Ti
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/9FKcCJ,ychKHx,NHdxFT/

Performance wise, there is difference but question comes down if the increased cost is worth it;
GTX 1060 6GB vs GTX 1660, comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1660/3639vs4038
GTX 1660 vs GTX 1660 Ti, comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1660-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1660-Ti/4038vs4037

On average, GTX 1660 is 7% better and costs $20 more than GTX 1060 6GB. While on average, GTX 1660 Ti is 20% better and costs $55 more than GTX 1660. Of course, when comparing GTX 1060 6GB with GTX 1660 Ti, the latter is on average 28% better but also costs $75 more. With $75, OP can buy Seasonic Focus+ 550 (80+ Gold) PSU,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bk...fied-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fx

i looked into it. 1660 is amazing considering the price its hell of the gpu but i couldnt find any sing of 1660 in the market. i asked some friends that sell pc stuff they said the same.
yes msi gpu doesnt fit my case but i was planing to buy asus as u can see here https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/DUAL-GTX1060-O3G/specifications/
its 244mm long

 

[Aeacus]

i looked into it. 1660 is amazing considering the price its hell of the gpu but i couldnt find any sing of 1660 in the market. i asked some friends that sell pc stuff they said the same.
yes msi gpu doesnt fit my case but i was planing to buy asus as u can see here https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/DUAL-GTX1060-O3G/specifications/
its 244mm long

That Asus GPU does fit just fine in your PC case.

As far as GTX 1660 goes, they just launched and haven't made their way to all corners of the world. Rather than wait for it for unspecified time, i'd get what is currently available.

 

[hotaru251]

i run a i3-4130 with a 1060 6gb.

play most games medium-high/low-ultra @1080p w/o issue. (though games that have min req of quad core can be iffy as they will tax your system and heat up more than normal)

WoW, OW, Sekiro, and other games will run perfectly fine.


Thoguh, TBH wait for a 1660 or go amd as for price to performance the 1060 6gb isnt exceptional anymore (the rx 580 at the pricepoint is king iirc)

 

[jostegogar]

so 1060 3G is enough for at least 3-4 years? its my final question if its yes im buying it tomarrow

 

[Aeacus]

so 1060 3G is enough for at least 3-4 years? its my final question if its yes im buying it tomarrow

While some may argue that GTX 1060 3GB shouldn't be bought at all due to the 3GB VRAM, GPU still has GTX 1060 chip and it can do high/ultra settings @ 1080p with solid 60+ FPS. I know this first hand since i too have GTX 1060 3GB GPU. I just tested several games i have and depending on a game, i got between 55 - 120 FPS average (with maxxed out settings @ 1080p).
Besides that, GTX 1060 3GB has more value (better price to performance ratio) than GTX 1060 6GB. That was also a reason why i bought my GTX 1060 3GB in the first place. For me, 7% better performance for extra €80 wasn't worth the money.

So, provided that in the next 3-4 years, you're willing to reduce graphics to keep FPS over 60, GTX 1060 3GB can last for that specified time. But if you're looking to get high/ultra settings for the next 3-4 years while playing the latest games then the 3GB VRAM can get a bit too less.

 

[ElectrO_90]

If you don't want to look them, fine by me. You're not the one looking for new GPU and OP of this topic.

Btw, how you're deciding which GPU performs better? Hearsay? Price? Or do you believe that OP should take your word at face value?

Userbenchmark uses same tests for all the entries and anyone can submit entry free of charge. Once the entry pool is big enough, Userbenchmark takes the average of all entries and ranks the GPU by that. With it, you can get pretty credible results.
Game comparisons are more of a guideline than actual rule since even the same hardware PCs can get different results in same game. So, they are not that credible. Also, Userbenchmark does have your beloved game comparisons as well, e.g GTX 1060 6GB vs GTX 1070,
link: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1070/3639vs3609

Since there aren't enough game FPS entries for GTX 1660 and GTX 1660 Ti, Userbenchmark doesn't display them at this point of time.

No, you read REVIEW sites... oh like this one.. or maybe, Guru3d, Anandtech, there are so many independent websites that REVIEW GPU's and compare them against each other, where as all you did, was paste a link to a website that was not even comparing GAMING FPS at all. In fact it had ZERO gaming stats on it.

Normally, userbench DOES have gaming stats, but in this instance, due to your laziness or just not reading it properly, you pasted it thinking that was the be-all and end-all of the comparison, when in fact there was no comparison between games at all. So maybe you should read things before you post them....

Just saying...

Anyway here is a USEFUL link https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1660_ti_gaming_x_review,31.html
That's the last page of the review, but of course you can read the entire article and understand the differences between GPUs as he does great reviews.

 

[jostegogar]

While some may argue that GTX 1060 3GB shouldn't be bought at all due to the 3GB VRAM, GPU still has GTX 1060 chip and it can do high/ultra settings @ 1080p with solid 60+ FPS. I know this first hand since i too have GTX 1060 3GB GPU. I just tested several games i have and depending on a game, i got between 55 - 120 FPS average (with maxxed out settings @ 1080p).
Besides that, GTX 1060 3GB has more value (better price to performance ratio) than GTX 1060 6GB. That was also a reason why i bought my GTX 1060 3GB in the first place. For me, 7% better performance for extra €80 wasn't worth the money.

So, provided that in the next 3-4 years, you're willing to reduce graphics to keep FPS over 60, GTX 1060 3GB can last for that specified time. But if you're looking to get high/ultra settings for the next 3-4 years while playing the latest games then the 3GB VRAM can get a bit too less.

i dont think vram effects the quality that much bcz i have 4gb vram right now and what i have experienced is that the technology of gpu is much more important then vram. isnt that correct?

 

[Aeacus]

i dont think vram effects the quality that much bcz i have 4gb vram right now and what i have experienced is that the technology of gpu is much more important then vram. isnt that correct?

Yes, the actual chip matters more than the VRAM on the GPU, hence why i don't think GTX 1060 3GB GPU is a bad GPU. I just gave you some heads-up about future games which may (or may not) need more than 3GB of VRAM, provided that you do play latest games. If not, there's no worries.

No, you read REVIEW sites... oh like this one.. or maybe, Guru3d, Anandtech, there are so many independent websites that REVIEW GPU's and compare them against each other, where as all you did, was paste a link to a website that was not even comparing GAMING FPS at all. In fact it had ZERO gaming stats on it.

Normally, userbench DOES have gaming stats, but in this instance, due to your laziness or just not reading it properly, you pasted it thinking that was the be-all and end-all of the comparison, when in fact there was no comparison between games at all. So maybe you should read things before you post them....

Just saying...

Anyway here is a USEFUL link https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1660_ti_gaming_x_review,31.html
That's the last page of the review, but of course you can read the entire article and understand the differences between GPUs as he does great reviews.

And what you did was crying over my prefrence of UserBenchmark without providing 0 links for OP to back up your words. And now, you posted that one review link only because i called you out on it. With that, who's the lazy one here?

 

[jostegogar]

Yes, the actual chip matters more than the VRAM on the GPU, hence why i don't think GTX 1060 3GB GPU is a bad GPU. I just gave you some heads-up about future games which may (or may not) need more than 3GB of VRAM, provided that you do play latest games. If not, there's no worries.


And what you did was crying over my prefrence of UserBenchmark without providing 0 links for OP to back up your words. And now, you posted that one review link only because i called you out on it. With that, who's the lazy one here?

thanks u so much for ur help i really appreciate it

 

[Aeacus]

thanks u so much for ur help i really appreciate it

You're welcome.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Normally, userbench DOES have gaming stats, but in this instance, due to your laziness or just not reading it properly, you pasted it thinking that was the be-all and end-all of the comparison, when in fact there was no comparison between games at all. So maybe you should read things before you post them....

And what you did was crying over my prefrence of UserBenchmark without providing 0 links for OP to back up your words. And now, you posted that one review link only because i called you out on it. With that, who's the lazy one here?

And how about everybody calms down with the accusatory tones and veiled personal attacks or nobody will be posting for a time period, to be determined by me.

 

[jostegogar]

update: after several days of investigating looks like my cpu has some serious bottleneck. however i knew its not the best cpu but never thought its bad cpu. is there anyway i can reduce the bottleneck effectively. or does anyone here have same cpu with a modern gpu? please share ur opinion