New Immigration Law

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Its been quite so lets mix it up. What do you think about these new immigration [strike]law[/strike] policy?

The following criteria should be satisfied before an individual is considered for an exercise of
prosecutorial discretion pursuant to this memorandum:

• came to the United States under the age of sixteen;
• has continuously resided in the United States for a least five years preceding the date of
this memorandum and is present in the United States on the date of this memorandum;
• is currently in school, has graduated from high school, has obtained a general education
development certificate, or is an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or
Armed Forces ofthe United States;
• has not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor offense, multiple
misdemeanor offenses, or otherwise poses a threat to national security or public safety;
and
• is not above the age of thirty
 
All I know is they let my Great Great Grandfather in when he didn't even speak english. These kids are in our education system already and have a record of being upstanding people. Sounds like the right thing to do to me.
 
Allowing for this gives an in to the parents who may not have met one of these things on the list, and a criminal.
Too broad, too sweeping, indefensible in court, and they should be ashamed for itseasy, broad and not particularly binding approach.
Legally a mess
 

You know what is a slap in the face? Being told to pay full education while someone who enters your country illegally gets the free money.

Your GG Grandfather possibly did it via Eilis Island. That is legal. He would have to be documented. Back then English wasn't a strict necessity back then. Heck, I bet less than 50% of the US could not even read the Bible itself! Just to show you what education does for the future. I bet he learned English pretty fast!

I don't doubt that they are outstanding. My issue is why give them the free ride, but let me and my family pay the ight price of our education system? I was born here legally! Where is my free money? Oh, wait...I am a white, unaprreciative US kid. I don't deserve it! :pfff:
 
Plus, theres less a likelyhood youll vote for Obama, as youre also a male, therefore, nada for you.
Its all about the votes, he needs several of these, he has no shame getting, or going after them this way, even using bad policy, where many people disagree, and as I said earlier, poorly written and poorly applied because of its broad sweeping attempts.
Third world approach, not worthy of US, not in intent nor in language
 
Well, people act as if the president cant affect many things, usually things they dont want, but when they want them, then its all good.
I agree OMG, and am not impressed. When he said the constitution limita us, Im thinking it limits him, as he turns it on its side
 
Do you guys even understand how our government works? He didn't pass some magical law, he just said that the government will no longer ENFORCE the deportation of people that fit those criteria. The executive branch is in charge of ENFORCING the law of the land. If anything you guys should be more upset with the election ramifications as JDJ pointed out.
 
I think they are worried over the enactment via executive order.

I am not aware of anything in the constitution that the president can declare an activity without congressional support.

Don't get me started on our election system! :pfff:
 
He didn't enact anything he just said his administration would not deport kids that fit the Dream Act criteria. If Romney wins he could just decide to begin deporting them again without issues.
 
This Executive Order is just another example of Obama's disdain for the Constitution, lack of leadership, and ignorance of Congress. Obama has again proven himself a hypocrite, political opportunist, and a social fascist.

The real shame of this Order is that it does not provide a path to legal citizenship, it just continues to extend Visas...bottom line, this order is a lesser form of amnesty for those would otherwise have been deported.

When government does more to promote the rights of the illegal citizens than it does to preserve the liberty of its citizens, then government is no longer for and by the people.

 


What a complete over reaction to a simple order that is completely within the presidents power to make. He cannot provide a path to legal citizenship as that is in the realm of the legislative branch aka Congress. Not deporting children who are already in our education system is not doing "more" then the thousands of programs out there for average Americans.

You guys are acting like not deporting a few illegals is the end of the world and an insult to the Constitution which it is not.
 
Yea, maybe one will skip down to their rightful country after harming someone here, innocently or not, as has been the case on more than just a few occasions.
Point Im making is, this does happen,fact, but without laws to reign some things in, this and other things can and do happen.
Bad enough we have rotten people we call citizens, having to talk to someone who disagrees with this, after someone they know/knew was harmed by this allowance, well, I couldnt do it
 
Anything can become a slippery slope. One thing leads to another. I am not happy with what Obama did, but I can see why he did it. Concerning anyone, if they are here legally or illegally: They need to be documented immediate before any US services can be given so there is no 'abuse of the system' or 'promote illegal activity of wrongful emigration'.

If you are here illegally:

1) Go to the local US Immigrations office or Customs station and asked to be documented. Give all the detail you can, we will find out who you are. If you fail to, go back to C of O and get your gov'ts info and send it back to us.
2) Before gaining any services here in the US, make sure #1 has been passed. You will receive an aliens card. This is a document that enables you to get a drivers license. You cannot get welfare, education, or vote at all. However, education you must pay a monthly fee, (according to your state.) You will still pay taxes and can still get a job.
3) If you are under 21, you have a choice of enlisting into the military. After 3 years of services, you are allowed to take a English and Citizens test. If you pass both tests you get a temporary SSN. After working a paying taxes for 2 years, you will get permanent SSN. Here you are entitled to all US services. If you are over 21, you must work at least 6-8 years, pass an English, Citizens, and competence test. If you pass all three you are granted a temporary SSN. No services are allowed. after working a job in the US for 3 years, with taxes, you are allowed all services.
4) If you want access to US education and are not a US citizen, make sure #1 is complete. Inform the school(s) of choice(s). No matter your age, one must take the SAT, ACT, along with English, Citizens, and Competence. The school will not receive information that you are an alien to prevent any discrimination. ( In case of discrimination, you will be granted a surcharge/benefit on behalf of the State the school resides out of the schools pocket.) When you are accepted, individual must take out student government loans. Individuals who are not US citizens but who seek no residence, are exempt from this and follow all school procedures. If one is seeking citizenship, individual is only allowed up to a Bachelor in major of choice. Only one (1) major is allowed in the 4-5 years. If individual fails to pay all debts, all preliminary citizenship grants are revoked, destroyed, and will serve either time up to 10 years, or pay a one million dollar fine. Naturalized citizens at birth on US territory are exempt and will not and shall not be harmed bu this law.
5) Take learning language courses at an accredited schools who offer English as a Second language. Learn to be fluent in reading, writing, speaking, and comprehension of the English language in order to participate in the government, economy and daily activity in the United States.
6) Remain in the state of choice for at least 10 years. If individual needs to move due to economy, health, or family related issues, they are to be brought up to the US Immigrations office immediately. This will allow the 10 year to carry overt o next state and will allow next state to be informed of aliens in the state. Failure to do so will terminate the 10 year and individual will have to refile for another citizenship card, plan, and classes. Tax info is no longer regarded if failed to file over.
7) If individual violates any laws of the United States of America, they will receive immediate termination of all citizenship, charges carry back to C of O, they are extradited back to their C of O, and face any charges there. Individual will be 'black-balled' or 'black listed' as a person of threat and will not be allowed back to enter. If they enter back, they have violated any law US courts feel needed...even murder if required. This deters reentry. If they are naturalized,( meaning if they have already received a permanent SSN,) they are still citizens but will face charges as a natural born citizen.
8) They must read, write, speak, and comprehend the English language.
9) They hold no US rights except if they are naturalized via by birth, or by following citizenship laws provided at time. Individual who is not a US citizen cannot receive total protection unless there is a clear and present danger in which they or by them anyone will be harmed.
10) Congress shall pass no law abridging this plan unless by the will of the People of the United State in which that only applies to those who are not of the People. Congress shall respect all persons and individuals who are not a threat to another person. Congress shall pass no law defecting the Constitution, allowing parties to rule over rights of this law, allow any branch to enact this law, without consent of the other branches, or allow persons whether individual or group...to deface this law by bypassing the Constitution itself. Congress shall publicly release all changes if seen by the People of the United States will, and shall not hinder any release of this document. All censoring, or willful withholding of this document, is strictly illegal and criminal. Censorship, or withholding, will result in criminal action against persons in public who have enacted a policy of censorship. Congress shall, in any time, call upon this document for amendment, on behalf of of the vote of the People of the United States. Congress shall not request this to be monetized or centralized in the public or private. Congress shall make no note of money, bureaucracy, or public or private note to gain bypass of the constitution.

This note is/must be enacted in full accordingly.
 
I am going to apologise to all my pommy mates.

Yanks are the new whining poms of the world.

You guys are filling up the News and Lesure forums with whining and whinging.

Lets have some senseless threads about Russian tanks again ... or the best place to holiday in Alabama ... or Canada.

Where is Canada anyway?
 


As is within his power under the constitution which were affirmed by multiple supreme court cases. The Dream Act was passed by the House and then voted down by the minority in the Senate. It has 55 yes votes in the senate but got the ol' fillabuster.

Why do you buy into this emperor crap? If you look at it from a practical perspective this is almost a non-issue. Immigration from Mexico is at a standstill, these kids are already in our education system so getting them paperwork is a good idea. Not to mention they are just kids who view this country as their home and yet you want to tear their lives apart for what? Because they took yer jobs?
 


Ok, lets deport everyone then because there are have been members of every race who have committed crimes and then took off to another country. Just deport all the Americans in this country because some of us are going to do back things.

Come on JDJ. :heink:

Deporting all the children who are here and consider this place their home because a couple of them might commit crimes and run is completely unreasonable.
 


He got drunk again last night and had a run in with the local cops. Let us just say ridding a moose into the local quick e mart with a loaded semi is not a good idea. :pt1cable:

 

First off, since when can we seperate the children from their parents?
This is a glaring omission, and an in for adult illegals.
This doesnt address so many things thats needed here and like I said, poor and poorly/loosely written legislation, as interpretations are vague.
No worker programs, no mention of overdrawn visas etc etc etc
A simple ploy for votes, and in its form, not worthy coming from the head of the US.
 
You must admit Immigrants when given the chance to live in a new country almost always excell, and add value to the culture.

The US and Australia were both built and made great by the people who immigrated and brought their ideas and culture with them, but were prepared to adopt the core values of their new land.

I think the major issue with immigration at present is really tied to the economic problems ... immigrants are seen as potentially taking jobs where there is already high unempkoyment.

Exreme right wing conservative Nationalistic views creep to the fore under these conditions.

Its important to keep some historical and economic perspective.

Make C Wright Mills proud !!

:)
 
We need immigration, but we also need controls/laws and ways for completion, to set up illegal immigration to make it work for us and the illegals.
Currently, theres a lack of enforcement in existing law.
The president has told those interested more than 2 years ago there was nothing he could do, and at the time had majorities in congress.
This is simply a re election ploy

Either that, or it took him this long to figure it out, which is also very telling