@ Andrei24: If it's looks you want, don't worry about tech. Stick with the ladies.
[citation][nom]christop[/nom]I don't see the point in gaming on a laptop. You could build a super killer desktop rig with that kind of money.[/citation]
The point is that it's portable, thus the laptop moniker. Is this really a difficult concept for you to grasp?
I think both of these are actually great deals, compared to other offerings from Lemon, Boxxtech (Sager), and the recent Razor which is much too pricey despite it's cool interface. MSI's done well finding a middle ground - smoking the Lemons outright in all ways, but keeping away from the obscene prices other gaming laptops tend to gravitate towards. Of course you get what you pay for. But compared to many other brands, MSI makes great and sturdy products, and with the GTX570M involved it's going to be tough to out-framerate these two on the go.