Question New Patriot 128 gb SSD's not seen by Win-XP (but are seen by Win-10) why?

[SummGuy]

I've connected a lot of SATA drives to various motherboards over the years and have never seen this behavior before.

I recently bought a 10-pack of Patriot 128 gb SSD's and none of them are "visible" on a PC running Win-XP. They show up in the BIOS as the system boots, but they don't show up in device manager or disk manager. XP boots from a 500 gb sata drive on this system, and other 128 GB drives (Lexar and Kingston) are seen no problem. The motherboard is an Intel socket-775 based CPU, sata interface on the board, no IDE interface at all. But in the BIOS I can select IDE, RAID, or AHCI for the sata mode, I have it set to IDE. When I want to clone hard drives I will use Norton Ghost 2003 (booted from a floppy) - but not in this case because Ghost can't see these SSD's either.

I've booted an old version of Acronis from a CD (and Clonezilla also from CD) and they can see these drives.

On another PC running Win-10, yes these drives are seen and can be initialized / formatted.

So why can't XP (and Ghost) see these 128 GB SSD's ?

Are there any tools I can download somewhere that can read exactly what's on these drives as they come out of the package, and maybe set a few magic bytes somewhere in a boot sector or MBR and correct this situation?

 

[SummGuy]

Looking at Patriot's website just now, is there a reason why they'd be saying that the OS compatability for these SSD's only goes down to Win-7?

O/S Supported: Windows® 7*/8.0*/8.1/10

Note the * for Win-7/8.0 what's that supposed to indicate?

Are there some SSD's that just plain won't work in IDE mode (but will show up during BIOS post) but must be set to AHCI in the bios to actually be usable?

 

[ex_bubblehead]

XP doesn't know what a SATA based drive is as it was introduced, lived its life, and was retired before SATA. As to the "*" just look in the notes for for the "*" (usually in a much smaller text) and read the note beside it.

 

[SummGuy]

I've never come across a motherboard (with on-board SATA) that had XP drivers that ALSO DIDN'T HAVE drivers for the sata controller. We're generally talking about boards with socket-478 and 775 intel CPU's.

Which means that in the BIOS the Sata interface can be set to "native" or "AHCI" instead of "legacy" or "IDE". I know it can get tricky when trying to INSTALL XP to a sata drive in AHCI mode (vs installing it when the drive is in IDE mode and then switching to AHCI after installation). I've even installed Win-98 on SATA drives using slip-streamed SATA drivers during the install while the drive was in AHCI mode (yes many socket-478 boards with on-board SATA did come with win-98 drivers that included the sata controller).

But in the current case I'm just adding this Patriot 128 gb drive as a second drive, with the sata interface set to IDE mode in the bios. Everything you read on the net says that all SATA drives will work in IDE mode. However, just now I'm seeing this on reddit:

"Yea so patriot kinda changed something with their “newer” drives. They used to work with no changes to bios, ide mode and all regular, now they don’t. You sadly need to get a new ssd for it to work. The Kingston 240 gig works."

and

"I have the exact same drive and the exact same issue. I have another ssd, Lexar, and that one works perfectly. The Patriot ironically worked perfectly for win98 but WinXP won’t recognize it no matter what I do. Tried playing with modes, used a m/b F6 disk - nothing."

Those 2 comments were posted in the same r/windowsxp thread 3 months ago...

And just looking at Kingston's website, product FAQ page:

What Operating Systems are supported?
Kingston SSDs are OS independent and will run on any system supporting a standard SATA interface.

Unlike what Patriot says about their P210 series SSD:
O/S Supported: Windows® 7*/8.0*/8.1/10

 

[beyondlogic]

I've never come across a motherboard (with on-board SATA) that had XP drivers that ALSO DIDN'T HAVE drivers for the sata controller. We're generally talking about boards with socket-478 and 775 intel CPU's.

Which means that in the BIOS the Sata interface can be set to "native" or "AHCI" instead of "legacy" or "IDE". I know it can get tricky when trying to INSTALL XP to a sata drive in AHCI mode (vs installing it when the drive is in IDE mode and then switching to AHCI after installation). I've even installed Win-98 on SATA drives using slip-streamed SATA drivers during the install while the drive was in AHCI mode (yes many socket-478 boards with on-board SATA did come with win-98 drivers that included the sata controller).

But in the current case I'm just adding this Patriot 128 gb drive as a second drive, with the sata interface set to IDE mode in the bios. Everything you read on the net says that all SATA drives will work in IDE mode. However, just now I'm seeing this on reddit:

"Yea so patriot kinda changed something with their “newer” drives. They used to work with no changes to bios, ide mode and all regular, now they don’t. You sadly need to get a new ssd for it to work. The Kingston 240 gig works."

and

"I have the exact same drive and the exact same issue. I have another ssd, Lexar, and that one works perfectly. The Patriot ironically worked perfectly for win98 but WinXP won’t recognize it no matter what I do. Tried playing with modes, used a m/b F6 disk - nothing."

Those 2 comments were posted in the same r/windowsxp thread 3 months ago...

possibly there drives only work with eufi bios