[SOLVED] New PC Build Feedback/Compatibility Check

[framelover frank]

I'm looking to build my first pc this summer and being completely new to this would appreciate someone with more experience looking over my prospective build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jsh6Q6

My budget is $1300 - 1800 although I could go a bit higher if there's good reason to
I'll mostly be playing CS:GO, Valorant, Apex, Fortnite but wanting to expand into more demanding games as well
A couple of more specific questions I have are:

1. Will the dark rock pro 4 cooler fit on the MSI motherboard with included brackets? And will it fit inside the corsair 4000D?

2. Will overclocking with this cooler/case be feasible?

3. Is my PSU overkill for this build? PC part picker was complaining that lower end power supplies are missing an 8-pin connector to supply enough power

4. Any imbalances or glaring mistakes in my component choice? Any advice is appreciated

 

[Why_Me]

These changes (w/ $160 board) add $10 to the total cost of your build and btw overclocking these days isn't the big plus it once used to be.

Better quality psu than that Thermaltake. It's manufactured for Phanteks by Seasonic. btw 650w psu is what's recommended for that gpu per the MSI site.

https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-80PLUS-Supply-Modular-Certified/dp/B07W5RSX99/

Phanteks AMP 750W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply $110.82

This board has a better audio codec (Realtek 1200) which is a plus for first person shooter games (hearing footsteps for example).

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-B660M-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B09PXD16F6
MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4 $159.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-MORTAR-WIFI-DDR4

If for whatever reason you insist on a full size ATX board ...

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144520
MSI MAG B660 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 $189.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660-TOMAHAWK-WIFI-DDR4

or ...

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B660-AORUS-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B09QNVD2SW
GIGABYTE B660 AORUS MASTER DDR4 $189.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660-AORUS-MASTER-DDR4-rev-10#kf

This cpu uses less power and creates less heat yet goes toe to toe with the 12700KF.

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-12700F-2-1GHz-6xxChipset-BX8071512700F/dp/B09NPJDPVG/
Intel Core i7-12700F $312.99

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

Similar performance to the Dark Rock Pro 4 yet less expensive.

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-AK620-High-Performance-Dual-Tower-Dissipation/dp/B09CSXS3X4
DeepCool AK620 CPU Cooler $64.99

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-ak620-review

https://global.deepcool.com/product...-High-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2021/13067.shtml

Definitely size up on your SSD.

Amazon.com: PNY CS1030 2TB M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen3 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - M280CS1030-2TB-RB: Computers & Accessories

Amazon.com: PNY CS1030 2TB M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen3 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - M280CS1030-2TB-RB: Computers & Accessories

www.amazon.com

PNY CS1030 2TB M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $164.99

2x16GB for a smoother gaming experience.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RW6Z692/
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 $116.99

i7 12700 / 12700F gaming benchmarks.

 

[Why_Me]

I'd give this case down below serious consideration for a few reasons with the main one being that Corsair 4000D comes with only 1x120mm pre-installed fan up front which means you're going to want to add another one of those fans for airflow purposes. This Lian Li comes with 2x140mm pre-installed fans up front along with a 120mm rear exhaust fan which means you won't have to add additional fans to this case.

https://www.newegg.com/black-lian-li-lancool-ii-performance-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-000Z-00086
LIAN LI LANCOOL II MESH C PERFORMANCE $120.99

Lancool-II-Mesh-Performance

<h2>Born to push the limits</h2> LANCOOL II MESH Performance features a mesh front panel and mesh bottom left shroud panel, honeycomb vent design and built-in PWM fans, ensuring bountiful airflow delivered to your components while the system runs at peak performance. <span...

lian-li.com

btw make sure to use Windows 11 with these Intel 12 gen cpu's.

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-11-Home-USB/dp/B09V6R9QZZ/
Microsoft Windows 11 Home USB $139.00

 

[geofelt]

A good selection of parts.
You need do nothing.
In answer to your questions:

1 The case allows coolers up to 180mm high you are ok there.
Some motherboards like asus may have obstructing vrm coolers.
Here, you are using the same motherboard as I am, and there will be no issue.
I use the similar Noctua NH-D15s which fits just fine.

2 Overclocking is possible. But, overclocking is no longer a way to get something for nothing. If your chip was capable of a decent overclock, it would have been used in a 12900k. Generally, for gaming it is better to let the default turbo mechanism do it's thing. It will boost a few cores under good conditions to higher than what an all core overclock can give.
One of the conditions is a cpu temperature under 70c so a good cooler helps.

3 It is hard to overkill on the psu. 3000 series cards can have power spikes that a stronger psu can handle. A psu will only draw the power demanded of it, regardless of the max capability. The 10 year warranty indicates sufficiently good quality.

4 About the only suggestion I have is to pay some $25 more for the 12700K.
Having integrated graphics is good insurance in case of gpu issues, and it makes initial testing easier.

 

[Why_Me]

A good selection of parts.
You need do nothing.
In answer to your questions:

1 The case allows coolers up to 180mm high you are ok there.
Some motherboards like asus may have obstructing vrm coolers.
Here, you are using the same motherboard as I am, and there will be no issue.
I use the similar Noctua NH-D15s which fits just fine.

2 Overclocking is possible. But, overclocking is no longer a way to get something for nothing. If your chip was capable of a decent overclock, it would have been used in a 12900k. Generally, for gaming it is better to let the default turbo mechanism do it's thing. It will boost a few cores under good conditions to higher than what an all core overclock can give.
One of the conditions is a cpu temperature under 70c so a good cooler helps.

3 It is hard to overkill on the psu. 3000 series cards can have power spikes that a stronger psu can handle. A psu will only draw the power demanded of it, regardless of the max capability. The 10 year warranty indicates sufficiently good quality.

4 About the only suggestion I have is to pay some $25 more for the 12700K.
Having integrated graphics is good insurance in case of gpu issues, and it makes initial testing easier.

How many games though will the OP be able to fit on a 500MB SSD.

 

[geofelt]

Good point. ^^

I think I would try for a 1tb m.2 unless gaming is primarily on only a couple of games. One can always add storage later, but it is easier to manage a single space.

 

[framelover frank]

Ok will definitely upgrade the SSD to 1-2 TB. If overclocking isn't that great nowadays wouldn't the 12700 or 12700F be a much better deal than the 12700K or KF for $50 less?

 

[framelover frank]

A good selection of parts.
You need do nothing.
In answer to your questions:

1 The case allows coolers up to 180mm high you are ok there.
Some motherboards like asus may have obstructing vrm coolers.
Here, you are using the same motherboard as I am, and there will be no issue.
I use the similar Noctua NH-D15s which fits just fine.

2 Overclocking is possible. But, overclocking is no longer a way to get something for nothing. If your chip was capable of a decent overclock, it would have been used in a 12900k. Generally, for gaming it is better to let the default turbo mechanism do it's thing. It will boost a few cores under good conditions to higher than what an all core overclock can give.
One of the conditions is a cpu temperature under 70c so a good cooler helps.

3 It is hard to overkill on the psu. 3000 series cards can have power spikes that a stronger psu can handle. A psu will only draw the power demanded of it, regardless of the max capability. The 10 year warranty indicates sufficiently good quality.

4 About the only suggestion I have is to pay some $25 more for the 12700K.
Having integrated graphics is good insurance in case of gpu issues, and it makes initial testing easier.

I see that the Noctua fans come with LGA1700 mounting. The fans are unavailable for me but do you know of any other fans that come with the mounting? I would rather not email be quiet and have to wait a few weeks for the free mounting they send.

 

[Why_Me]

I see that the Noctua fans come with LGA1700 mounting. The fans are unavailable for me but do you know of any other fans that come with the mounting? I would rather not email be quiet and have to wait a few weeks for the free mounting they send.

This cpu cooler was released less than two months ago and comes with the LGA 1700 bracket in the box. btw the 12700 / 12700F tops out at 180w (turbo boost mode).

https://www.amazon.com/Rev-B-Cooler-LGA1700-LGA1151-Towers/dp/B09NZGH4RD
Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B CPU Cooler $65.99

https://www.scytheus.com/fuma2-rev-b

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bM_TgpKqb8

 

[Why_Me]

Ok will definitely upgrade the SSD to 1-2 TB. If overclocking isn't that great nowadays wouldn't the 12700 or 12700F be a much better deal than the 12700K or KF for $50 less?

This ^^ .. as would a B660 board vs Z690.

 

[geofelt]

Ok will definitely upgrade the SSD to 1-2 TB. If overclocking isn't that great nowadays wouldn't the 12700 or 12700F be a much better deal than the 12700K or KF for $50 less?

Not really.
The 12700K will have a max turbo of 5.0 while the 12700 is 4.9.
FWIW, the 12600K also has a max of 4.9 but with 6 performance cores vs. 8
Really, no wrong answers here.

 

[Why_Me]

My budget is $1300 - 1800 although I could go a bit higher if there's good reason to
I'll mostly be playing CS:GO, Valorant, Apex, Fortnite but wanting to expand into more demanding games as well

https://www.newegg.com/black-lian-li-lancool-ii-performance-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-000Z-00086
LIAN LI LANCOOL II MESH C PERFORMANCE $120.99

https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-80PLUS-Supply-Modular-Certified/dp/B07W5RSX99/
Phanteks AMP 750W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply $110.82

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-B660M-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B09PXD16F6
MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4 $159.99

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-12700F-2-1GHz-6xxChipset-BX8071512700F/dp/B09NPJDPVG/
Intel Core i7-12700F $312.99

https://www.amazon.com/Rev-B-Cooler-LGA1700-LGA1151-Towers/dp/B09NZGH4RD
Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B CPU Cooler $65.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RW6Z692/
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 $116.99

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-CS1030-Internal-Solid-State/dp/B08M446772
PNY CS1030 2TB M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $164.99

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3070-rtx-3070-ventus-2x-8g-oc-lhr/p/N82E16814137671
MSI Ventus GeForce RTX 3070 8GB Video Card $609.99

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-11-Home-USB/dp/B09V6R9QZZ/
Microsoft Windows 11 Home USB $139.00

Total: $1801.42

 

[framelover frank]

https://www.newegg.com/black-lian-li-lancool-ii-performance-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-000Z-00086
LIAN LI LANCOOL II MESH C PERFORMANCE $120.99

https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-80PLUS-Supply-Modular-Certified/dp/B07W5RSX99/
Phanteks AMP 750W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply $110.82

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-B660M-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B09PXD16F6
MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4 $159.99

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-12700F-2-1GHz-6xxChipset-BX8071512700F/dp/B09NPJDPVG/
Intel Core i7-12700F $312.99

https://www.amazon.com/Rev-B-Cooler-LGA1700-LGA1151-Towers/dp/B09NZGH4RD
Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B CPU Cooler $65.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RW6Z692/
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 $116.99

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-CS1030-Internal-Solid-State/dp/B08M446772
PNY CS1030 2TB M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $164.99

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3070-rtx-3070-ventus-2x-8g-oc-lhr/p/N82E16814137671
MSI Ventus GeForce RTX 3070 8GB Video Card $609.99

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-11-Home-USB/dp/B09V6R9QZZ/
Microsoft Windows 11 Home USB $139.00

Total: $1801.42

I decided to save a little money and go a tier lower for my pc

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZgP6Bj

This is what I've come up with, haven't selected memory/storage but will buy 2x8 3200Mhz and 1 tb SSD respectively

Now my concerns are:

1) Cheap toughair 510 cooler enough to cool the 12600K? I won't be overclocking

2) H510 flow good enough for airflow? I've heard it's mediocre but since my components are mid-tier I was hoping to get away with it

 

[Why_Me]

I decided to save a little money and go a tier lower for my pc

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZgP6Bj

This is what I've come up with, haven't selected memory/storage but will buy 2x8 3200Mhz and 1 tb SSD respectively

Now my concerns are:

1) Cheap toughair 510 cooler enough to cool the 12600K? I won't be overclocking

2) H510 flow good enough for airflow? I've heard it's mediocre but since my components are mid-tier I was hoping to get away with it

It all works. That cpu cooler should do fine. ^^

 

[Why_Me]

Cost cutter.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-B660M-Motherboard-Intel-Socket/dp/B09NTMRRTL/
MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 $129.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B660M-A-DDR4

 

[framelover frank]

Cost cutter.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-B660M-Motherboard-Intel-Socket/dp/B09NTMRRTL/
MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 $129.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B660M-A-DDR4

For the 12600K isn’t a z690 necessary for oc?

also are the two case fans in the h510 flow enough? Or should I consider getting 1/2 more 140 mm case fans? I’m worried the noise level will be too high

 

[Why_Me]

For the 12600K isn’t a z690 necessary for oc?

also are the two case fans in the h510 flow enough? Or should I consider getting 1/2 more 140 mm case fans? I’m worried the noise level will be too high

Correct .. you need a Z690 board to o/c but I don't know how far you want to push that cpu with that cooler and that case will work fine for your build.

 

[geofelt]

For the 12600K isn’t a z690 necessary for oc?

also are the two case fans in the h510 flow enough? Or should I consider getting 1/2 more 140 mm case fans? I’m worried the noise level will be too high

Enough, yes.
The case comes with two 120mm fans.
If you do not buy other fans, mount both in front as intakes.
Heated air will exit somewhere, taking component heat with it.
But...
For best/quietest cooling, I would plan on using two 140mm front intakes and use one of the 120 fans as rear exhaust. 140mm fans will move more air quietly and at lower rpm.
The purpose of the rear exhaust is to direct airflow past the cpu cooler and motherboard.
Keep the other as spare.

Why is decent cooling important?
It is to allow the 12600K to achieve max turbo speeds which is better than overclocking for gamers.
Along the same lines, a B660 chipset motherboard will do just as well as a Z690.

Again, the TA510 can do the job.
But, a cooler with a larger volume of fin area can do a better job.
Usually, such coolers use 140mm fans.
The fin volume or number of heat pipes will have a more direct bearing on cooler capability than the number of fans.
Can you post a link as to where you might buy?

I like the change to the 12600K.
At one time, before the graphics price bubble, a decent rule of thumb for a gaming build was to budget 2x the cost of the cpu for the graphics card.
You are now close to that.

Your processor is capable of running a much stronger graphics card in the future.
That is the most likely future upgrade.
To that end, I would suggest a stronger 750 or even 850w psu to allow for that.