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[rasmusbjorfeldt]

Well
My friend is going to build a new computer, this is something I have put together
https://www.inet.se/datorbygge/b1654480/hampus

Any changes that could be better? Budget around 15k Swedish Kr
I was thinking AM5 for support in the future, 16gb vram games eat up 8gb quickly. 32gb ram the “new” standard

 

[Aeacus]

Any changes that could be better?

Yes, PSU.

RMe is mediocre quality and good enough for office PC without dedicated GPU. But any PC with dedicated GPU, that PSU isn't enough build quality wise.

What are good, are:
Corsair RMx 750W: https://www.inet.se/produkt/6906478/corsair-rm750x-atx-3-1-750w
Seasonic Vertex GX-750: https://www.inet.se/produkt/6906240/seasonic-vertex-gx-750w
Seasonic Focus GX-750: https://www.inet.se/produkt/6906579/seasonic-focus-gx-750w-atx-3-1

Now, looking at the prices, Vertex has sale and is actually better than Focus and RMx. On top of that, Vertex has 12 years of warranty while RMx and Focus have 10 years of warranty.

Btw, why there's one Arctic P12 PWM fan? Plan to put it as rear exhaust?

Also, looks like you included the cheapest Asus B650 MoBo you could find. Any reason why to pick that MoBo (other than it's cheap price)?
Since that MoBo has mere 4 main phase VRM and also will reduce CPU performance, both on high workload and in gaming as well.
B650 MoBo roundup (where that MoBo is also listed): https://www.techspot.com/review/2633-amd-b650-motherboards/

As of why VRM is important, here's a good Q&A about VRM: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/vrm/

The more VRM phases there are - the more stable power CPU (actually entire PC) can get via MoBo.
For example, my current MoBo: MSI Z170A Gaming M5 (from 2016) has 12 main phase VRM. While i'm currently planning to upgrade my 9 year old PC and get R7 9800X3D and i will be pairing it with MoBo that has 20 main phase VRM.

 

[rasmusbjorfeldt]

https://www.inet.se/datorbygge/b1654514/dsa

Just took it for the price, is that a better motherboard for its price?

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.inet.se/datorbygge/b1654514/dsa

Just took it for the price, is that a better motherboard for its price?

2TB SSD, RX 9070 16GB. You want DDR5-6000 CL30 for gaming due to the low latency.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 5 7500F 3.7 GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor (kr1789.00 @ Proshop)
CPU Cooler: *ID-COOLING FROZN A620 PRO SE 58 CFM CPU Cooler (kr358.00 @ Proshop)
Motherboard: *Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard (kr1790.00 @ Webhallen)
Memory: *Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory (kr949.00 @ Amazon Sweden)
Storage: *Verbatim Vi5000 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (kr1245.00 @ Amazon Sweden)
Video Card: *PowerColor Red Devil OC Radeon RX 9070 16 GB Video Card (kr7222.00 @ Proshop)
Case: *Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case (kr759.76 @ Amazon Sweden)
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (kr1144.88 @ Amazon Sweden)
Total: kr15257.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-05-05 12:07 CEST+0200

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/windows-11-free-or-cheap

A better look at those components.

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https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2023-amd-ryzen-5-7500f-review

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi/

https://www.idcooling.com/product/detail?id=496&name=FROZN A620 PRO SE

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/id-cooling-frozn-a620-pro-se-cpu-air-cooler/6.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/air-cooling/id-cooling-frozn-a620-pro-se-review

https://www.verbatim-europe.com/en/internal-ssd/products/vi5000-pcie-nvme-m2-ssd-2tb-31827

https://www.powercolor.com/product-detail213.htm

https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/MAG-A850GL-PCIE5

https://www.montechpc.com/air-903-base

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/montech-air-903-base/

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.inet.se/datorbygge/b1654514/dsa

Just took it for the price, is that a better motherboard for its price?

What is your friends monitor resolution?

 

[Aeacus]

https://www.inet.se/datorbygge/b1654514/dsa

Just took it for the price, is that a better motherboard for its price?

Before it was cheapest Asus MoBo, now cheapest MSI MoBo. MSI MoBo also has 4 main phase VRM.

What is better, is AsRock B650M Pro RS with 8 main phase VRM,
specs: https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650M Pro RS/index.asp
store: https://www.inet.se/produkt/1904075/asrock-b650m-pro-rs

The bigger version of the same MoBo (with 14 main phase VRM), did well in the B650 MoBo roundup and is one of the top performing MoBos. But since you picked small PC case, only micro-ATX MoBos fit into it.

 

[dark_globe]

Since that MoBo has mere 4 main phase VRM and also will reduce CPU performance, both on high workload and in gaming as well.
B650 MoBo roundup (where that MoBo is also listed): https://www.techspot.com/review/2633-amd-b650-motherboards/

What is better, is AsRock B650M Pro RS with 8 main phase VRM,
specs: https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650M Pro RS/index.asp
store: https://www.inet.se/produkt/1904075/asrock-b650m-pro-rs

this is not too accurate :

they both have the exact same configuration of VRM ragarding power phases .
they are both 4 phase motherboards using doublers making them
"fake" 8 phases dedicated to VCORE (which is better than just plain 4 phases of course) .
both are 2x4+2+1 designs:
so if you want to call one of them 8 power phase design you have to call the other one 8 phase design also .

however the main difference between them and the reason why one fails the thermal tests and
the other does not is the quality of their mosfets :
asrock uses higher quality and higher efficiency Vishay SiC654 (50A) mosfets
asus is using cheap garbage Onsemi 4C10B (46A) :
while on paper they might look almost the same the main difference is their efficiency under heavy load -
with less demanding processors they are both fine ,
but when we want to push lets say 20A of current through each mosfet and the voltage of our cpu is set to
lets say 1,3V than the mosfets need to handle 208w of power or 160A combined
(20A for each of the 8 mosfets) :

the problem with cheap onsemi mosfets is that their peak efficiency is at 11-12A of current ,
anything more and it drops significantly which means more residual heat .
at 20A this mosfets would create around 50w of residual heat combined
while Vishay SiC654 keeps its effciency at 91-92% even at 20A for each mosfet
and it would create only roughly half of that residual heat under such conditions .

thats why despite technically having the same power phase design cheap asus board fails
studio tests of hardware unboxed when paired with overclocked 7950x for example -
because that cpu can be really power hungry while running stress tests:
with PBO enabled it needs almost 250w of power and that is why (in combination with weak heatsinks)
asus overheats to 100+ C° and fails while asrock board does not ...

"it is not because one is 4 phase and the other is 8 phase" -
they are both 2x4 boards .

 

[rasmusbjorfeldt]

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[Zerk2012]

Well
My friend is going to build a new computer, this is something I have put together
https://www.inet.se/datorbygge/b1654480/hampus

Any changes that could be better? Budget around 15k Swedish Kr
I was thinking AM5 for support in the future, 16gb vram games eat up 8gb quickly. 32gb ram the “new” standard

Looks OK to me as is. The board should do fine for the processor your using and the RMe power supply is decent quality.

 

[logainofhades]

The Corsair RMe is plenty good enough for this system. I personally would not get a 5060ti though. They require the newer drivers, that lately have been quite bad.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

RMe is mediocre quality and good enough for office PC without dedicated GPU. But any PC with dedicated GPU, that PSU isn't enough build quality wise.

Eh, steady on. Whilst it's not the very best PSU, it's pretty decent. Sure, some of the internal components aren't top of the range, but it offers good performance as a whole, and is quiet. As for the assertion that the RMe should only power office OC's without a dGPU, well that's fiction.

 

[Aeacus]

both are 2x4+2+1 designs:
so if you want to call one of them 8 power phase design you have to call the other one 8 phase design also .

For Asus MoBo, it has 4 main phases for VRM. Doubled, tripled, quadrupled or not, still 4 main phases.

Worst of all is the VRM, it's a 4-phase vcore using doubled up Onsemi 4C10N and 4C06N Mosfets per phase, so no powerstages on this model.

Even Asus official specs doesn't say a dime about VRM phases, since after all, 4 main phases isn't anything to boast about,
specs: https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-b650m-a-wifi-ii/

Now, with AsRock MoBo, it says on the tin that MoBo has 8 main phase VRM (8+2+1),
specs: https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650M Pro RS/index.asp

Here's good in-depth video of that Asus "doubled" 4 phase VRM;

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLO-vYjJN-I

Eh, steady on. Whilst it's not the very best PSU, it's pretty decent. Sure, some of the internal components aren't top of the range, but it offers good performance as a whole, and is quiet.

I see no reason, why OP should pay the exact same money for inferior RMe when they can go with Vertex GX-750. Can you tell me reasons why OP should go with RMe for the very same price as Vertex GX-750 (1590kr)?

 

[logainofhades]

Something to look at, for B650 boards.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57X2FygcqLE

 

[dark_globe]

For Asus MoBo, it has 4 main phases for VRM. Doubled, tripled, quadrupled or not, still 4 main phases.

same apply to asrock and many others
also the "bigger" version is not 14 phases but rather 2x7 ...
of course there is much more to that than simply counting phases
asrocks 2x4 design in this case is of course much superior to that of asus .

Now, with AsRock MoBo, it says on the tin that MoBo has 8 main phase VRM (8+2+1),
specs: https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650M Pro RS/index.asp

it says so on their official marketing page - what a shocker .
it still doesn´t change the fact that technically it´s not 8 but a 2x4 VRM design .

now there are motherboards with 8, 10 or even 12 phase designs out there
but they don´t cost $150 i can tell you that much ...
of course you don´t really need them unless you are planning to do some extreme OC .

but yeah cheap asus and gigabyte motherboards are better to be avoided mostly :
we can agree on that .
good news is that these days even cheap motherboards given a decent mosfets can be enough
for most of the cpus out there .

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

For Asus MoBo, it has 4 main phases for VRM. Doubled, tripled, quadrupled or not, still 4 main phases.

Even Asus official specs doesn't say a dime about VRM phases, since after all, 4 main phases isn't anything to boast about,
specs: https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-b650m-a-wifi-ii/

Now, with AsRock MoBo, it says on the tin that MoBo has 8 main phase VRM (8+2+1),
specs: https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650M Pro RS/index.asp

Here's good in-depth video of that Asus "doubled" 4 phase VRM;

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLO-vYjJN-I



I see no reason, why OP should pay the exact same money for inferior RMe when they can go with Vertex GX-750. Can you tell me reasons why OP should go with RMe for the very same price as Vertex GX-750 (1590kr)?

I'm only pointing out that the RMe is not as you make it out to be. It's a competent PSU, that performs well, despite some middling internal components, that don't detract from the quality of the PSU. Are there better PSU's for the price point? Yes. Is the RMe a bad PSU? No, it is not. Also, the Vertex is a goof PSU, as you suggested.