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[silverpig]

But if you wait until then, people will say wait till the technology matures, then wait until the next gen comes out... He'll be waiting with a 5 year old system.

If you have the money and want to upgrade, do it.

Some day I'll be rich and famous for inventing a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet.

 

[Zoron]

This must be a joke, Hyper treading is very much over rated and slower`s the system in much cases !The only thing where it looks good is sysoft Sandra(intel payed a lot i gues).

Being an AMD fanboi doesn't make you any better than the so-called Intel fanbois. HT does improve performance on applications that support it. If the application doesn't support it, obviously it's not going to perform any better, and it some cases may perform worse. Chances are, the results would be the same in a dual-CPU platform.

Quake runs best on Intel says Kanavit, that`s maybe true, but all the other games run faster on AMD 😱)
so i would say, let the baby have his cooky

Unless the difference is >10%, it's insignificant and not worth the money it costs to upgrade. The GPU in your system is beginning to make more and more difference while the CPU is beginning to matter less and less. Whether you go P4C, Scotty, or A64... I think you'll be happy; provided you have a good motherboard, RAM, power supply and GPU supporting it.


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[gobeavers]

still, wouldnt it be better to at least get an early version of PCI express? Would it be like before AGP was out, but it was soon to be out, would you just buy a MB with only PCI? Or wait and get AGP 1, when people say to wait for AGP 2?

Anxiously awaiting prescott....is it here yet?

 

[Kanavit]

Well Kanavit your are truly am product of Intels agressive "Mhz Matters" campaign, i laughed when i read your post at futuremark where you claimed that "Netburst" would improve your surfspeed and the other time when you told that you choose Intel because they have better maketing methods...

Other than that i don't really think prescott will be faster than the P4 clock for clock, especially not in games where raw memory latency tends to be the deciding factor. But sure the P4E will scale to higher speeds, because of the improved clock distribution.

But atleast you never offend anyone you just can't listen to other people with diffrent opinions . Having a conversation with you about CPUs is like talkaing the fridge in the kitchen

heh, Intel marketing is second to none. alot of warfare is fought through polotics. Intel just seems to know how to successfully campaign their products. Like the hyperthreading feature and mhz. the release of the P4 EE did steal some thunder from otherwise un-opposed A64 FX-51 hammer 64-bit cpus. Business is all about cost and expense.

the prescott should be faster clock for clock than the northwood, slower than P4/EE. Plus improved clock distribution.

<A HREF="http://www.chip-architect.net/news/2003_03_06_Looking_at_Intels_Prescott.html" target="_new">http://www.chip-architect.net/news/2003_03_06_Looking_at_Intels_Prescott.html</A>

<b><i>Prescott improvements over NOrthwood</i></b>
- Improved Hyper threading technology.

- Improved pre-fetcher

- Improved branch predictor.

- Improved Integer Multiply latency.

- Improved Power management.

- Additional Write Combining buffers


<b><font color=red>Aquamark3 score: 26,467</b></font color=red>
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[Kanavit]

Quake 3 is lame. Play a real frag fest like UT2k3.
Or play a real mans FPS like Halo.
Hyperthreading is over rated.

UT2k3 was quite possibly the worst hyped game ever.
the P4 EE owns the A64 3400+, and A64 FX-51 in Halo.
<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1941&p=5" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1941&p=5</A> click link to see!

hyperthreading is the single most innovative processor feature out this year, it allows a single physical cpu to act like two logical cpu. increasing thoroughput, effeciency, and decreasing cpu idle time simultaneously. i think x86-64 is overrated imo, why? because it ain't even out yet. lol

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[pitsi]

Latest information on Prescott @ <A HREF="http://www.aceshardware.com/#75000461" target="_new">Ace's Hardware</A>.

Just a few things I noticed:
- This means that some software will not run - clock for clock - faster on the Prescott than on the Northwood P4. So besides SSE-3 optimized software, and software that benefits from hyperthreading, a 3.4 GHz Prescott will -IMHO- perform like a Northwood 3.4 GHz.
- Basically, I expect that most games will run on it like on a 3.4 Ghz Northwood, In fact, many games are already using the CPU more and more for AI (Battlefield 1942 uses up to 25% of the CPU's clockcycles).
- The software where Intel is already doing well such as Lightwave, Cinema4d and 3DSMax, will show the Prescott being faster clock for clock than Northwood.
- Intel's main objective with Prescott is getting higher clockspeeds out of Netburst without lowering the IPC.

Basically, I don't see any way for Intel to get the performance crown with Prescott. The first Prescotts coming out at 3.4GHz will deffinetely be slower than the 3.2GHz P4EE/FX-51 and San Diego isn't even here yet (will probablby arrive by the end of March at 2.4GHz using unregistered DDR memory)!

IMO 2004 belongs to AMD, if they play their cards correctly. Intel should better focus on Tejas instead.

<b>blah:</b> <font color=red>Don't show your stupidity, whole world knows that Intel is a much better CPU for stable work.</font color=red>

 

[darko21]

Re: The software where Intel is already doing well such as Lightwave, Cinema4d and 3DSMax, will show the Prescott being faster clock for clock than Northwood.

I'd suppose we can expect many benchmarks in those 3 categories when THG compares it to the a64.



If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.

 

[Johanthegnarler]

I understand what it does.
And so far for me i see no real life difference.
P4 is a complete 1 ghz over rating the amd cpu and you're going to tell me that it's only putting out a fraction of a Framerate.
Not to mention it's a good 300 dollars more. But ignoring price i wont really get into an intel amd fanboy fight. It's not worth it.
As you can see the specs below i use a pentium. I have no problem with either cpu's and i like them both. But.. as far as my own experience i haven't noticed a difference in performance from myspecs to the new 'C' specs.
Multi-tasking and WMA3 transfers seem to be the same.

I'm just starting to think too many people are buying into this "800" fsb HT thing a bit too much.
And as for it being the most innovative for this year.. i can agree with you. 64 bit cpu's doesn't impress me much only becuase it's the next logical step. Not to mention it will be years before we have true 64bit computing.

p4 2.8 533fsb
intel mobo
1gb rdram pc 800
radeon9800 pro
120gb seagate s-ata

 

[Crashman]

Prescott might not be as fast as Northwood, clock for clock. AMD has done a nice job with the 3400+. Unfortunately the only board on the market using the 755 chipset is the ECS 755-A. VIA can never be trusted and the NF3-150 has problems. NF3-250 isn't out yet, and you can't have a system without a motherboard. Sorry Poop.

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[JP5]

I would be more worried about PCI-express, DDR support, and form factor in the next few months than about the Prescott core. I feel sorry for people buying 265M 9800XT and the like these days.

 

[Kanavit]

Prescott might not be as fast as Northwood, clock for clock

I will beg to differ..
<A HREF="http://www.ocheaven.com/article/0310/readgoodarticle.asp?id=26" target="_new">http://www.ocheaven.com/article/0310/readgoodarticle.asp?id=26</A>
above link shows that a 2.8 prescott beats a 2.8 P4c in Super PI 1mb +2mb, Aquamark3, 3dmark2001se, 3dmark03, content creation,and cpubench 2003.

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[Crashman]

I was being nice because I know trolls will point out tests using only the benchmarks where prescott lost.

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[appsdba]

What do you guys mean SATA will be gone? I am building this weekend and don't want to feel like a total buffoon. Even though I don't need Prescott, should I care about DDR2, PCI Express, etc? How do these new technologies affect AMD based systems? I was going to build now and then build in 2 years with BTX, new socket, DDR2, etc.

 

[pitsi]

I wasn't 100% correct by saying "SATA will be gone". What I should have said is that "SATA II will appear", so your new mobo won't be able to use those new HDDs based on that interface (WHEN they appear of course). You could of course built now, but the thing is that you won't have many upgrade options for your system. If you don't care about that, then there is no point in waiting for all these new technologies to arrive.

It's just that you have to keep in mind that if for example you build a rig now with A64 3200+ and Radeon 9800 Pro, you should know that the max CPU that could go into your mobo in a future upgrade will probably be a 3700+ and the max upgrade for your graphics card will probably be the Radeon 9800 XT.

As I said earlier, if you don't really care about upgrading your system until your next major upgrade, then you can build a powerful system right now without anything to worry about. Just keep in mind though that during your next upgrade in 2 years, probably 100% of your system's components will be obsolete.

<b>blah:</b> <font color=red>Don't show your stupidity, whole world knows that Intel is a much better CPU for stable work.</font color=red>