[SOLVED] New Ryzen 5900X build

[cma6]

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: this week (the closer the better) Early 9/2021

Budget Range: $2500 for new build to be done by local tech.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: (e.g.: gaming, surfing movies) Chess (not gaming) and meet Windows 11 requirement.

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: (e.g.: CPU, mobo, RAM) Include Power Supply Make & Model If Re-using

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (Zen 3) Vermeer 12-Core 3.7 GHz Socket AM4 1; $550
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08164VTW...olid=2GTN47KVAYVW7&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

AIO 360 cooler that fully covers the CPU IHS and need a recommendation. Unsystematic research points at
or Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 AIO $130
https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liqui...quid+Freezer+II+360+AIO&qid=1629399483&sr=8-2

or NZXT Kraken X73 360mm - RL-KRX73-01 - AIO $170
https://www.amazon.com/NZXT-Kraken-...X73+360mm+-+RL-KRX73-01+-+AIO+,aps,205&sr=8-1


X570 mobo: need recommendation, though I've done a fair bit of research (Tom's Best Picks; Amazon and Newegg reviews). Two Gigabyte boards stood out. It's not clear why one would pay $90 for the Ultra vs. the Elite.

Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite Wifi $220 https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-X57...754a8&pd_rd_wg=11qO3&pd_rd_i=B07WL5MFXL&psc=1

and Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra Motherboard $310
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-x57...erboard-_-13-145-156-_-Product&quicklink=true

Power supply: Now many watts?
From Tom's I picked out this one. XPG CORE Reactor 650Watt 80 Plus Gold Certified Fully Modular Power Supply $110
I've had bad experience with Corsair customer support.
https://www.amazon.com/XPG-Reactor-...&sprefix=XPG+Core+Reactor+650W,aps,186&sr=8-1

System case for ATX. Do I need Full-Tower or Mid-Tower; Also with 360mm AIO cooler, how big a case is needed?
One idea: Phanteks Enthoo Pro II Full-Tower $160
https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Ent...teks+Enthoo+Pro+II+Full-Tower+,aps,193&sr=8-1

Storage:
2 X 500 GB NVMe PCIe internal drives. Looking at
SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2 2280 500GB PCIe Gen 3.0 x4, NVMe 1.3 V-NAND 2 X $89 = $178
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07M7Q21N7/ref=twister_B08D7638C8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

RAM: 64 GB Patriot Viper Steel RGB DDR4 32GB (1 x 32GB) 3200MHz Module - PVSR432G320C8 $150
4 X $150 = $300
https://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Vipe...=Patriot+Viper+Steel+DDR4-3200,aps,191&sr=8-5

GPU: Chess and general purpose build--not gaming system. Chess needs fast CPU. I will go with adequate video card for general use need recommendation. Current work system has Nvidia GeForce GTX650 Ti Boost, which is more than adequate. What about a used GPU? Under $200 if possible.

Do you need to buy OS: MS Windows 10 Pro. What version should I buy for full retail support on new build?
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro | Download $181
https://www.amazon.com/product-revi...r&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (e.g.: newegg.com, ncix.com -- to show us selection & pricing) Amazon/ newegg (what is ncix.com?)

Location: NH/USA

Overclocking: Maybe to probably.

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 1680 x1050 or 1920 x 1080

Additional Comments: Want Windows 11 compatible system. Don't care about bling or appearance.

 

[Flayed]

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: this week (the closer the better) Early 9/2021

Budget Range: $2500 for new build to be done by local tech.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: (e.g.: gaming, surfing movies) Chess (not gaming) and meet Windows 11 requirement.

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: (e.g.: CPU, mobo, RAM) Include Power Supply Make & Model If Re-using

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (Zen 3) Vermeer 12-Core 3.7 GHz Socket AM4 1; $550
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08164VTW...olid=2GTN47KVAYVW7&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

AIO 360 cooler that fully covers the CPU IHS and need a recommendation. Unsystematic research points at
or Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 AIO $130
https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liqui...quid+Freezer+II+360+AIO&qid=1629399483&sr=8-2

or NZXT Kraken X73 360mm - RL-KRX73-01 - AIO $170
https://www.amazon.com/NZXT-Kraken-...X73+360mm+-+RL-KRX73-01+-+AIO+,aps,205&sr=8-1


X570 mobo: need recommendation, though I've done a fair bit of research (Tom's Best Picks; Amazon and Newegg reviews). Two Gigabyte boards stood out. It's not clear why one would pay $90 for the Ultra vs. the Elite.

Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite Wifi $220 https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-X57...754a8&pd_rd_wg=11qO3&pd_rd_i=B07WL5MFXL&psc=1

and Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra Motherboard $310
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-x57...erboard-_-13-145-156-_-Product&quicklink=true

Power supply: Now many watts?
From Tom's I picked out this one. XPG CORE Reactor 650Watt 80 Plus Gold Certified Fully Modular Power Supply $110
I've had bad experience with Corsair customer support.
https://www.amazon.com/XPG-Reactor-...&sprefix=XPG+Core+Reactor+650W,aps,186&sr=8-1

System case for ATX. Do I need Full-Tower or Mid-Tower; Also with 360mm AIO cooler, how big a case is needed?
One idea: Phanteks Enthoo Pro II Full-Tower $160
https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Ent...teks+Enthoo+Pro+II+Full-Tower+,aps,193&sr=8-1

Storage:
2 X 500 GB NVMe PCIe internal drives. Looking at
SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2 2280 500GB PCIe Gen 3.0 x4, NVMe 1.3 V-NAND 2 X $89 = $178
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07M7Q21N7/ref=twister_B08D7638C8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

RAM: 64 GB Patriot Viper Steel RGB DDR4 32GB (1 x 32GB) 3200MHz Module - PVSR432G320C8 $150
4 X $150 = $300
https://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Vipe...=Patriot+Viper+Steel+DDR4-3200,aps,191&sr=8-5

GPU: Chess and general purpose build--not gaming system. Chess needs fast CPU. I will go with adequate video card for general use need recommendation. Current work system has Nvidia GeForce GTX650 Ti Boost, which is more than adequate. What about a used GPU? Under $200 if possible.

Do you need to buy OS: MS Windows 10 Pro. What version should I buy for full retail support on new build?
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro | Download $181
https://www.amazon.com/product-revi...r&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (e.g.: newegg.com, ncix.com -- to show us selection & pricing) Amazon/ newegg (what is ncix.com?)

Location: NH/USA

Overclocking: Maybe to probably.

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 1680 x1050 or 1920 x 1080

Additional Comments: Want Windows 11 compatible system. Don't care about bling or appearance.

Something like this:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor ($569.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($225.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($409.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 980 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Dell)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1 GB Video Card ($0.00)
Case: Lian Li Lancool II Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1670.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-20 13:27 EDT-0400

 

[Hellfire13]

64gb RAM is way overkill. I would go something like this...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor | $569.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler | Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler | $109.95 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570S AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard | $389.99 @ Newegg
Memory | Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory | $169.99 @ B&H
Storage | Corsair MP600 Core 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $129.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB Video Card | $279.99 @ Newegg
Case | Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case | $97.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply | SeaSonic FOCUS 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $87.99 @ Newegg
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit | $139.88 @ Other World Computing
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1985.75
| Mail-in rebates | -$10.00
| Total | $1975.75
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-08-20 13:39 EDT-0400 |

 

[DSzymborski]

I gotta say, this all seems awfully expensive for your purposes. What exactly are you doing, chess-wise? Is the difference between 35K nodes per second and 25K nodes per second relevant enough to spend an extra thousand bucks? Is there any other workstation-type activity in your general use?

 

[cma6]

"I gotta say, this all seems awfully expensive for your purposes. What exactly are you doing, chess-wise? Is the difference between 35K nodes per second and 25K nodes per second relevant enough to spend an extra thousand bucks? Is there any other workstation-type activity in your general use?"

Good point. I'm not doing any other workstation type of use, just general computer use. There is a big difference between 35K and 25K nodes/second.
Memory speed is not that important. I read somewhere that Ryzen 5900X has trouble with faster RAM than 3200.
So I'm happy to save anywhere you can see savings, e.g., on RAM (though I do want 64 GB); on 2 NVME SSDs.
One area I really want to save on is the GPU. I don't feel like spending $300 and am willing to step down from my current GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1 GB Video Card .
The replies from experts seem to like the Arctic AIO I picked, though I am wondering if I can go with a 240mm or 280mm AIO for cooling the Ryzen 5900X at burst speed of 4.4 Ghz. Those with Ryzen 5900X or 5950X experience, I would appreciate your feedback on possibly a smaller AIO. It's not so much a $ issue as a weigh and case size issue.

 

[mdd1963]

64 GB of RAM is likely well over twice what would be needed for many years, so is effectively half your RAM money ($150) just 'laying there', wasted...

Put that money into at least one each 1 TB NVME SSD rather than getting a pair of 500 GB units...or invest it into a semi-competent GPU instead, vice the...

GTX650? Ouch....entry level ...from 10 years ago ...is not the way I'd go here...

 

[g-unit1111]

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: this week (the closer the better) Early 9/2021

Budget Range: $2500 for new build to be done by local tech.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: (e.g.: gaming, surfing movies) Chess (not gaming) and meet Windows 11 requirement.

You really need a 5900X and 64GB of RAM for chess? Not sure I am following this.

 

[DSzymborski]

You really need a 5900X and 64GB of RAM for chess? Not sure I am following this.

64 GB of RAM, not so much, but if he's doing enough deep position analysis with Deep Fritz or something, the CPU will actually be quite useful. I just wanted to make sure that the difference was enough for OP's needs. I'm casual enough that I don't need to analyze positions that often (though I do have a 5900X, which is nice for it).

 

[g-unit1111]

64 GB of RAM, not so much, but if he's doing enough deep position analysis with Deep Fritz or something, the CPU will actually be quite useful. I just wanted to make sure that the difference was enough for OP's needs. I'm casual enough that I don't need to analyze positions that often (though I do have a 5900X, which is nice for it).

Interesting. Had no idea it was that CPU intensive!

 

[DSzymborski]

Interesting. Had no idea it was that CPU intensive!

Chess engines basically brute force things. You get into the millions of lines very quickly when analyzing a position! You'll occasionally see Stockfish used as a review benchmark, depending on the reviewer. Part of the reason is that cores scale very well, so it's a nice test.

https://openbenchmarking.org/test/pts/stockfish

 

[Brian D Smith]

If I may tag onto this....

My old HP Envy with a perfectly nice Intel I7-6700 @3.4 ghz desktop (paired with a really lousy GPU... and 16 gb RAM...seems to have kicked the bucket so I am looking at a new desktop. I spend most of my time on the computer doing chess related items.

I also use CPU Intensive chess engines A LOT (they do not really benefit from multi-threading) - for designing opening repertoires in Chessbase (largely a database program, but with many other nice repertoire maintenance features) where I run engines like Stockfish or Dragon. I would also like to be able to game a bit and was thinking the minimal RTX 3060 ti would do the job....Chessbase 'can' also use retracing for diagram rendering.

My question has to do with the new 12th generation Intel CPU's and their "P" and "E" cores and how they might play with my chess engine usage.

I was at Costco yesterday and noticed a PC with the specs below. I was thinking that's about the max I really wanted to spend anyway (and am none to sure of my ability to 'build a PC'...) so I started considering it:

Dell XPS 8950: $1,849.99

Processor & Memory:

• 12th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-12700 12-Core Processor
• 32GB DDR5 4400MHz RAM

Drives:

• 1TB 7200 RPM Hard Drive + 512GB PCIe NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive
• Tray Load DVD Drive (Reads and Writes to DVD/CD)

Operating System:

• Microsoft® Windows 11 Home (64-bit)

Graphics & Video:

• NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3060 Ti™, 8GB
• Monitor Not Included

Communications:

• Killer™ WiFi 6 (2x2/160) Gig+ and Bluetooth® 5.2

Audio:

• Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio with Waves MaxxAudio® Pro

Keyboard & Mouse:

• Dell Wired Keyboard & Mouse

Ports & Slots:

• 5x USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A
• 2x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C
• 2x USB 2.0 Type-A
• 1x Headphone Jack
• 1x HDMI
• 3x Display Port 1.4a
• 1x SD Card Reader (SD, SDHC, SDXC)
• 1x RJ-45

Additional Information:

• Dimensions: 14.68" x 6.81" x 16.80"

That said, I tried to build the same thing on the DELL website...and the cost there (no discounts that I know of) is a good $2-$300 more compared to the Costco item. You might ask 'why 32 GB RAM?'. Well, I know at 16 GB, and multiple engines running and doing database searches, internet surfing, maybe watching a video, etc...things would sometimes freeze up. Certainly the fans would run a full speed, not that I minded.

I had been considering the 12th Gen Intel® Core™ i5-12400 12-Core Processor based on a Tom's Hardware review and possibly the i5-12600 until noticing the Costco item. I have not really considered any overclockable CPU's...figure they all need water-cooling and...somehow that frightens me.

The clock speeds, Default - Turbo - Max TDP - Single Thread Rating
i7-27000: 2.1 - 4.9 - 65W - 3945
i5-12400: 2.5 - 4.4 - 65W - 3823
i5-12600: 3.3 - 4.8 - 65W - 3524

BUT...all these number can appear to be 'smoke and mirrors' to me sometimes.

Without more than the stock cooling that comes with each, won't the CPU's throttle down pretty quick if I tried to get the speed up for any time? That would seem to keep me from getting even the performance I was getting out of my old i7-6700 at 3.4 ghz....and I would like to have an engine(s) running overnight at times crunching away.
Also, I've never heard of DDR5 4400 MHZ RAM. Doesn't DDR5 START at 4800 MHZ??

Any thoughts...suggestions?

 

[DSzymborski]

Start a new thread with this info; we don't do the "resurrect a random, vaguely related year-old thread" thing here.