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"Nicolas The Great" <tq144@msn.com> wrote in message
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> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:<j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com>...
>> Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to ZA.
>> For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING use of the internet like ZA.
>>
>> Oh, wait, maybe the CPU is slowing down.....
>> "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:A7a6d.446663$OB3.76200@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >
>> <snip>
>> > Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
>> >
>> > Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.
>> >
>
>
> Tom, why is your CPU slowing down? ZA or XPSP2?
>
> Nick

Mine isn't. I think you're confusing me with another poster. Don't even
run ZA.
 
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tq144@msn.com (Nicolas The Great) writes:

> I ordered the SP2 disc and it only took a week for it to arrive at my pad.
> I installed it on my pc XP pro and everything worked fine except it
> disabled Zone Alarm. I guess the SP2 firewall is good enough. I also
> noticed that there is a pop-up ad blocker, which works pretty good
> as far as I can tell. I haven't looked at other stuff that came on the
> disc. Bottom line - My PC runs the same as far as I can tell.

It would help if you would identify the version of ZA you are running,
what you mean by "disable" and how you determined that it had been
disabled. I'm not disputing your report, but I need more info to know
if it might affect me.

Joe Morris
 
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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to ZA.

Clueless. The SP2 Firewall is entirely adequate and IS supported by MS's
Automatic Updates

> For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING

Outgoing is unneeded. Those case are caught by a proper virus scanner and
spyware scanner. Outgoing checking is for a few geeks and NOT the general
computer user who needs simple and always works and easily
configured....etc.

Any extra apps needed to support the basic OS/Inet functionality is to be
AVOIDED if at all possible if the functionality is present in the OS. Do
you remember Netroom and Stacker hell?


>use of the internet like ZA.
>
> Oh, wait, maybe the CPU is slowing down.....
> "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
> news:A7a6d.446663$OB3.76200@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> <snip>
> > Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
> >
> > Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.
> >
>
 
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"Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com...
>> Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to ZA.
>
> Clueless. The SP2 Firewall is entirely adequate and IS supported by MS's
> Automatic Updates
>
>> For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING
>
> Outgoing is unneeded. Those case are caught by a proper virus scanner and
> spyware scanner. Outgoing checking is for a few geeks and NOT the general
> computer user who needs simple and always works and easily
> configured....etc.
>
> Any extra apps needed to support the basic OS/Inet functionality is to be
> AVOIDED if at all possible if the functionality is present in the OS. Do
> you remember Netroom and Stacker hell?
>
>

<snip>


Judas H, Ron - you duct tape all of your end users to their chairs and throw
away the mouse of each? I think not.

Your recipe may be foolproof in theory - but it is just that. Rainbows,
butterflies, and dandelions abound in this scenario....

I agree that less ( in this case ) is MORE, IF........IF it can be actually
implemented and maintained (see the end user).


Stew
 
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Outgoing is unneeded?

You don't allow your users to use DVDs, CDs, or Floppies?

If you do, outgoing is needed.

I'd hate to have you support my users.

At least you keep reinforcing your lack of experience.

And make me laugh.
"Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com...
>> Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to ZA.
>
> Clueless. The SP2 Firewall is entirely adequate and IS supported by MS's
> Automatic Updates
>
>> For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING
>
> Outgoing is unneeded. Those case are caught by a proper virus scanner and
> spyware scanner. Outgoing checking is for a few geeks and NOT the general
> computer user who needs simple and always works and easily
> configured....etc.
>
> Any extra apps needed to support the basic OS/Inet functionality is to be
> AVOIDED if at all possible if the functionality is present in the OS. Do
> you remember Netroom and Stacker hell?
>
>
>>use of the internet like ZA.
>>
>> Oh, wait, maybe the CPU is slowing down.....
>> "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:A7a6d.446663$OB3.76200@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >
>> <snip>
>> > Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
>> >
>> > Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.
>> >
>>
>
>
 
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"Zippy the Pinhead" <the_corporate_hose@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:26:56 GMT, "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> Windows XP Service Pack 2 should not disable Zone Alarm.
> >
> >Correct but the user should disable ZA after installing SP2 as ZA is no
> >longer needed.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong (not unprecedented) but I thought that the XP
> firewall stopped only incoming mischief.

And that is ALL that is needed.

> Zone Alarm will stop things
> on your computer from "phoning home".

No, that's what AVG(virus) and Adaware(spyware) do.

> That was my understanding --
> i.e. you still need Zone Alarm even though you have the new, improved
> SP2 firewall.

Lose ZA and use SP2's firewall.
 
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"S.Lewis" <stew1960@cover.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com...
> > Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to ZA.
> > For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING use of the internet like ZA.
> >
>
> <snip>
>
> What Tom said. I've got people doubled-up with the XP Firewall and Sygate
> Personal Firewall for this very reason - potentially malicious OUTgoing
> activity.

No, get proper virus scanning and spyware checking as that handles
outgoing. Doubling up a machine with excess trash is what the whole
industry is trying to AVOID.
 
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"Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "S.Lewis" <stew1960@cover.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:N7d6d.57537$as2.28171@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>> news:j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com...
>> > Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to
>> > ZA.
>> > For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING use of the internet like ZA.
>> >
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> What Tom said. I've got people doubled-up with the XP Firewall and
>> Sygate
>> Personal Firewall for this very reason - potentially malicious OUTgoing
>> activity.
>
> No, get proper virus scanning and spyware checking as that handles
> outgoing. Doubling up a machine with excess trash is what the whole
> industry is trying to AVOID.
>
>


Ah, a minor disagreement. You may be looking at an install base of dozens
of machines when I'm looking at 2 to 5.

Apparently, neither of us are doing a great job as self-propogating malware
is hardly extinct, even in corporate environments.

We should be fired. :)


Stew
 
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"Nicolas The Great" <tq144@msn.com> wrote in message
news:fe14f4af.0409280840.1e148fef@posting.google.com...
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:<j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com>...
> > Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to ZA.
> > For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING use of the internet like ZA.
> >
> > Oh, wait, maybe the CPU is slowing down.....
> > "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
> > news:A7a6d.446663$OB3.76200@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > <snip>
> > > Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
> > >
> > > Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.
> > >
>
>
> Tom, why is your CPU slowing down? ZA or XPSP2?

The scales are unbalanced.
 
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"S.Lewis" <stew1960@cover.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> I agree that less ( in this case ) is MORE, IF........IF it can be
actually
> implemented and maintained (see the end user).

Automatic Updates, a good virus scanner and a good spyware checker.
 
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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> Outgoing is unneeded?
>
> You don't allow your users to use DVDs, CDs, or Floppies?
>
> If you do, outgoing is needed.
>
> I'd hate to have you support my users.
>
> At least you keep reinforcing your lack of experience.
>
> And make me laugh.

Clueless newbies always expose themselves. Study up.

> "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
> news:KBk6d.449795$OB3.270981@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> > news:j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com...
> >> Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to
ZA.
> >
> > Clueless. The SP2 Firewall is entirely adequate and IS supported by
MS's
> > Automatic Updates
> >
> >> For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING
> >
> > Outgoing is unneeded. Those case are caught by a proper virus scanner
and
> > spyware scanner. Outgoing checking is for a few geeks and NOT the
general
> > computer user who needs simple and always works and easily
> > configured....etc.
> >
> > Any extra apps needed to support the basic OS/Inet functionality is to
be
> > AVOIDED if at all possible if the functionality is present in the OS.
Do
> > you remember Netroom and Stacker hell?
> >
> >
> >>use of the internet like ZA.
> >>
> >> Oh, wait, maybe the CPU is slowing down.....
> >> "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
> >> news:A7a6d.446663$OB3.76200@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> >
> >> <snip>
> >> > Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
> >> >
> >> > Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
 
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Hmm, I owned one of the first 1000 IBM PCs off the assembly line. Worked
every major platform.

Know one heck of a lot more than you do, as you prove with every single
post.

Tom
"Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:MY-dnUk2nqXslcfcRVn-tw@comcast.com...
>> Outgoing is unneeded?
>>
>> You don't allow your users to use DVDs, CDs, or Floppies?
>>
>> If you do, outgoing is needed.
>>
>> I'd hate to have you support my users.
>>
>> At least you keep reinforcing your lack of experience.
>>
>> And make me laugh.
>
> Clueless newbies always expose themselves. Study up.
>
>> "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:KBk6d.449795$OB3.270981@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >
>> > "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>> > news:j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com...
>> >> Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to
> ZA.
>> >
>> > Clueless. The SP2 Firewall is entirely adequate and IS supported by
> MS's
>> > Automatic Updates
>> >
>> >> For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING
>> >
>> > Outgoing is unneeded. Those case are caught by a proper virus scanner
> and
>> > spyware scanner. Outgoing checking is for a few geeks and NOT the
> general
>> > computer user who needs simple and always works and easily
>> > configured....etc.
>> >
>> > Any extra apps needed to support the basic OS/Inet functionality is to
> be
>> > AVOIDED if at all possible if the functionality is present in the OS.
> Do
>> > you remember Netroom and Stacker hell?
>> >
>> >
>> >>use of the internet like ZA.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, wait, maybe the CPU is slowing down.....
>> >> "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:A7a6d.446663$OB3.76200@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >> >
>> >> <snip>
>> >> > Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
>> >> >
>> >> > Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
 
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"Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:MY-dnUk2nqXslcfcRVn-tw@comcast.com...
>> Outgoing is unneeded?
>>
>> You don't allow your users to use DVDs, CDs, or Floppies?
>>
>> If you do, outgoing is needed.
>>
>> I'd hate to have you support my users.
>>
>> At least you keep reinforcing your lack of experience.
>>
>> And make me laugh.
>
> Clueless newbies always expose themselves. Study up.
>

<snip>


"It COULD be, it MIGHT be,.................IT IS!!! THAT BABY'S OUTTA
HERE!"

<plonk/>


Stew
 
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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> Hmm, I owned one of the first 1000 IBM PCs off the assembly line. Worked
> every major platform.
>
> Know one heck of a lot more than you do, as you prove with every single
> post.
>
> Tom


Tom,

Don't even bother, sir....


Stew
 
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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> Hmm, I owned one of the first 1000 IBM PCs off the assembly line. Worked
> every major platform.
>
> Know one heck of a lot more than you do, as you prove with every single
> post.

Then you started very late. Every heard of Linc tape or MAP/FAP? Go back
to school sonny.

> "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
> news:45o6d.644290$Gx4.26254@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> > news:MY-dnUk2nqXslcfcRVn-tw@comcast.com...
> >> Outgoing is unneeded?
> >>
> >> You don't allow your users to use DVDs, CDs, or Floppies?
> >>
> >> If you do, outgoing is needed.
> >>
> >> I'd hate to have you support my users.
> >>
> >> At least you keep reinforcing your lack of experience.
> >>
> >> And make me laugh.
> >
> > Clueless newbies always expose themselves. Study up.
> >
> >> "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
> >> news:KBk6d.449795$OB3.270981@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> >
> >> > "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com...
> >> >> Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to
> > ZA.
> >> >
> >> > Clueless. The SP2 Firewall is entirely adequate and IS supported by
> > MS's
> >> > Automatic Updates
> >> >
> >> >> For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING
> >> >
> >> > Outgoing is unneeded. Those case are caught by a proper virus
scanner
> > and
> >> > spyware scanner. Outgoing checking is for a few geeks and NOT the
> > general
> >> > computer user who needs simple and always works and easily
> >> > configured....etc.
> >> >
> >> > Any extra apps needed to support the basic OS/Inet functionality is
to
> > be
> >> > AVOIDED if at all possible if the functionality is present in the OS.
> > Do
> >> > you remember Netroom and Stacker hell?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>use of the internet like ZA.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh, wait, maybe the CPU is slowing down.....
> >> >> "Ron Reaugh" <rondashreaugh@att.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:A7a6d.446663$OB3.76200@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> >> >
> >> >> <snip>
> >> >> > Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
 
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The newbie techs come up short when faced with a real pro.

"S.Lewis" <stew1960@cover.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:JdOdnamcdtQFiMfcRVn-tw@comcast.com...
 
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Ron Reaugh wrote:
> "Jerome M. Katz" <jerrymkatz@NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:mv7il0ded7jj6mfr8j2jlnu42gbjv42csj@4ax.com...
>
>>Windows XP Service Pack 2 should not disable Zone Alarm.
>
> Correct but the user should disable ZA after installing SP2 as ZA is no
> longer needed.

But it's recommended - as Jerome mentioned, make sure you have a current
version of ZA and it will work fine.

>>If you do not
>>have Zone Alarm 5.1 (.something), upgrade to it. It will interface
>>perfectly with the Windows Security Center
>
> But just add more overhead and something else to fiddle with for NO added
> important functionality.

Really? I think checking outgoing requests to the 'Net to be an
important function.

>>so that if you have Zone
>>Alarm on, the Windows firewall will not be on.
>
> Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
>
> Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.

Only if you want less protection than ZA offers and can guarantee that
you'll never get a back door Trojan or worm or spyware.
 
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"Sparky" <nemo@moon.sun.edu> wrote in message
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> Ron Reaugh wrote:
>> "Jerome M. Katz" <jerrymkatz@NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:mv7il0ded7jj6mfr8j2jlnu42gbjv42csj@4ax.com...
>>
>>>Windows XP Service Pack 2 should not disable Zone Alarm.
>>
>> Correct but the user should disable ZA after installing SP2 as ZA is no
>> longer needed.
>
> But it's recommended - as Jerome mentioned, make sure you have a current
> version of ZA and it will work fine.
>
>>>If you do not
>>>have Zone Alarm 5.1 (.something), upgrade to it. It will interface
>>>perfectly with the Windows Security Center
>>
>> But just add more overhead and something else to fiddle with for NO added
>> important functionality.
>
> Really? I think checking outgoing requests to the 'Net to be an important
> function.
>
>>>so that if you have Zone
>>>Alarm on, the Windows firewall will not be on.
>>
>> Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
>>
>> Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.
>
> Only if you want less protection than ZA offers and can guarantee that
> you'll never get a back door Trojan or worm or spyware.



Which, so far as I know, no one can guarantee, which is why people who post
in concrete/no exceptions/unqualified absolutes have no credibility so far
as I'm concerned.

The newly arrived "expert" acts as if his way is the only way and is
foolproof - which we all know is ludicrous.


Stew
 
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Ron Reaugh wrote:

> "S.Lewis" <stew1960@cover.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:N7d6d.57537$as2.28171@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
>>"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>>news:j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to ZA.
>>>For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING use of the internet like ZA.
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>What Tom said. I've got people doubled-up with the XP Firewall and Sygate
>>Personal Firewall for this very reason - potentially malicious OUTgoing
>>activity.
>
> No, get proper virus scanning and spyware checking as that handles
> outgoing.

Bullshit! Sorry to be so harsh, but it's called for when someone is
passing out such terrible advice. Spyware checking software only scan
your system when you ask and remove malware from your HDD. They do
nothing about software which tries to access the 'Net - that's what ZA
is for. (my malware experience is limited to Adware & Spybot)

> Doubling up a machine with excess trash is what the whole
> industry is trying to AVOID.

No kidding, when were you appointed to speak on behalf of the whole
industry? Based on your endless blather on laptop performance, you have
nothing positive to contribute.
 
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Ron Reaugh wrote:

> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:JdOdnamcdtQFiMfcRVn-tw@comcast.com...
>
>>Hmm, I owned one of the first 1000 IBM PCs off the assembly line. Worked
>>every major platform.
>>
>>Know one heck of a lot more than you do, as you prove with every single
>>post.
>
>
> Then you started very late. Every heard of Linc tape or MAP/FAP? Go back
> to school sonny.

Sure, how about SOAP (not the current software), IBSYS, RAMAC, drum memory?
 
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Ron Reaugh wrote:

> The newbie techs come up short when faced with a real pro.

So you're a male hustler? Good luck, be sure to use condoms.
 
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S.Lewis wrote:
> "Sparky" <nemo@moon.sun.edu> wrote in message
> news:%Cu6d.4453$kq6.2855285@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
>
>>Ron Reaugh wrote:
>>
>>>"Jerome M. Katz" <jerrymkatz@NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mv7il0ded7jj6mfr8j2jlnu42gbjv42csj@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Windows XP Service Pack 2 should not disable Zone Alarm.
>>>
>>>Correct but the user should disable ZA after installing SP2 as ZA is no
>>>longer needed.
>>
>>But it's recommended - as Jerome mentioned, make sure you have a current
>>version of ZA and it will work fine.
>>
>>>>If you do not
>>>>have Zone Alarm 5.1 (.something), upgrade to it. It will interface
>>>>perfectly with the Windows Security Center
>>>
>>>But just add more overhead and something else to fiddle with for NO added
>>>important functionality.
>>
>>Really? I think checking outgoing requests to the 'Net to be an important
>>function.
>>
>>>>so that if you have Zone
>>>>Alarm on, the Windows firewall will not be on.
>>>
>>>Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
>>>
>>>Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.
>>
>>Only if you want less protection than ZA offers and can guarantee that
>>you'll never get a back door Trojan or worm or spyware.
>
> Which, so far as I know, no one can guarantee, which is why people who post
> in concrete/no exceptions/unqualified absolutes have no credibility so far
> as I'm concerned.
>
> The newly arrived "expert" acts as if his way is the only way and is
> foolproof - which we all know is ludicrous.

Amen to that, Stew.
 
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"Sparky" <nemo@moon.sun.edu> wrote in message
news:%Cu6d.4453$kq6.2855285@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> Ron Reaugh wrote:
> > "Jerome M. Katz" <jerrymkatz@NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:mv7il0ded7jj6mfr8j2jlnu42gbjv42csj@4ax.com...
> >
> >>Windows XP Service Pack 2 should not disable Zone Alarm.
> >
> > Correct but the user should disable ZA after installing SP2 as ZA is no
> > longer needed.
>
> But it's recommended

Not by the competent.

> - as Jerome mentioned, make sure you have a current
> version of ZA and it will work fine.
>
> >>If you do not
> >>have Zone Alarm 5.1 (.something), upgrade to it. It will interface
> >>perfectly with the Windows Security Center
> >
> > But just add more overhead and something else to fiddle with for NO
added
> > important functionality.
>
> Really? I think checking outgoing requests to the 'Net to be an
> important function.

Not for the average user where the virus checker and spam checker are
covering that issue.

> >>so that if you have Zone
> >>Alarm on, the Windows firewall will not be on.
> >
> > Yes and that would be BACKWARDS.
> >
> > Enable SP2's Firewall and lose ZA.
>
> Only if you want less protection than ZA offers

That added protection is covering a slim to nil risk.

> and can guarantee that
> you'll never get a back door Trojan or worm or spyware.

You can come close enough with a good spyware checker and virus scanner.
 
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"Sparky" <nemo@moon.sun.edu> wrote in message
news:cIu6d.4489$kq6.2867114@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> Ron Reaugh wrote:
>
> > "S.Lewis" <stew1960@cover.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:N7d6d.57537$as2.28171@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >
> >>"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> >>news:j4qdnRYs1JlH3cTcRVn-tA@comcast.com...
> >>
> >>>Wow, that's terrible advice. The XP Firewall is mediocre compared to
ZA.
> >>>For example, it doesn't catch OUTGOING use of the internet like ZA.
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>What Tom said. I've got people doubled-up with the XP Firewall and
Sygate
> >>Personal Firewall for this very reason - potentially malicious OUTgoing
> >>activity.
> >
> > No, get proper virus scanning and spyware checking as that handles
> > outgoing.
>
> Bullshit! Sorry to be so harsh, but it's called for when someone is
> passing out such terrible advice.

Like you huh. Tryin to get folks to buy snake oil.

> Spyware checking software only scan
> your system when you ask and remove malware from your HDD.

Clueless. The whole purpose of spyware scanners and virus scanners is to
find and remove programs that do those sorts of obnoxious activities. Good
ones do a very good job. With good checkers one does NOT need the overhead
nor hassle of a whole other OS/Inet support app to play chicken little games
for a non-existant threat. Lose ZA and use SP2's Firewall.
 
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"Sparky" <nemo@moon.sun.edu> wrote in message
news:9Lu6d.4504$kq6.2874112@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> Ron Reaugh wrote:
>
> > "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> > news:JdOdnamcdtQFiMfcRVn-tw@comcast.com...
> >
> >>Hmm, I owned one of the first 1000 IBM PCs off the assembly line.
Worked
> >>every major platform.
> >>
> >>Know one heck of a lot more than you do, as you prove with every single
> >>post.
> >
> >
> > Then you started very late. Every heard of Linc tape or MAP/FAP? Go
back
> > to school sonny.
>
> Sure, how about SOAP (not the current software), IBSYS, RAMAC, drum
memory?

All stuff from before you were born.
 
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