Nintendo Switch 2 Hands-on: Bigger, faster, and with mouse controls

That is turning out to be an extremely pricey handheld. The costs would be and it appears Nintendo is taking into account the PC handheld market with the Switch 2 pricing. Would Nintendo add 25% in tariffs to the price or does the $449 price point take that into account if it does occur?

I registered with Nintendo for the Switch 2 bundle but i'm not sure which way I lean on a purchase. I do love Nintendo and their games but the whole setup in price might get crazy.

$449 - Console
$80 - Controller
$70-90 - per game
$50-100 - MicroSD Express
Camera is extra, not sure if that includes the Mic?

For me the biggest selling point with the Switch 2 is the availability of GameCube games with their Online service. Those were my favorite. I hacked my original Wii (still have it) with the Dolphin emulator.
 
My favorite joke from the reveal was when they advertised raytracing, 4K60, and 1440p120. Lol. You're not getting either of those things.... EVER..... unless it's an indie 2D sidescroller or a Switch 1 game.... like SMBW...... and even that's a maybe. This is equivalent to when PS5 used to have 8K labeled on the box.

Most games on Switch 2..... that actually matter...... will be 1080/720p @ 60 or 30, and will need lots of help from DLSS. The chip in this thing is basically a nerfed 3050 mobile. Keep expectations very low.

Don't get wrong, I mean, I'm just as excited as everyone else, we all love Mario, Zelda, blah blah blah. But we need to be realistic and honest about this
 
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My favorite joke from the reveal was when they advertised raytracing, 4K60, and 1440p120. Lol. You're not getting either of those things.... EVER..... unless it's an indie 2D sidescroller or a Switch 1 game.... like SMBW...... and even that's a maybe. This is equivalent to when PS5 used to have 8K labeled on the box.

Most games on Switch 2..... that actually matter...... will be 1080/720p @ 60 or 30, and will need lots of help from DLSS. The chip in this thing is basically a nerfed 3050 mobile. Keep expectations very low.

Don't get wrong, I mean, I'm just as excited as everyone else, we all love Mario, Zelda, blah blah blah. But we need to be realistic and honest about this

As an unfortunate owner of an RTX2050 equipped laptop, it'll do 1080p/60fps, DLSS-performance, RT-off, in Darktide (up to difficulty Lv4, where the game doesn't spam 40,000 enemies at once).
RTX2050 barely manages 1080p/40fps with RT on in Minecraft.

But then again, Switch games are hardly graphically demanding and the games are easier to optimize when there is only one configuration available and no bloat from Windows.
 
Of course Nintendo didn't use hall effect thumbsticks. Why would they? Drifting thumbsticks = more over-priced Joy-cons purchased.

Camera is extra, not sure if that includes the Mic?
The mic is built into the system. I don't think the camera includes one, nor that they've announced a purchasable external mic.

My favorite joke from the reveal was when they advertised raytracing, 4K60, and 1440p120. Lol.
When did they advertise ray-tracing support? I must have missed that.

Most games on Switch 2..... that actually matter...... will be 1080/720p @ 60 or 30, and will need lots of help from DLSS.
I think a lot of first party games are going to support 4K and/or 120 Hz (at lower resolutions) because of the simpler art style Nintendo tends to go for. And if you're buying a Nintendo console for third-party games, you're doing it wrong. =P

Doesn't the Wii, or the original model at least, play GameCube games out-of-the box? (With a controller and memory card.)
Yes. But Dolphin is also a Wii emulator, since the Wii is just two Gamecubes duct-taped together. The Wii can't run Dolphin; hacking the Wii could be used to dump Wii and Gamecube games for use with Dolphin, which is presumably what @Heat_Fan89 meant.
 
While I play PC games at my desk, I tend to play console titles on my couch, and it's a literal stretch to reach forward to my coffee table.
I used to play Age of Empires II and Minecraft with several other people in a single college dorm room, on couches and beds. We pulled a flat board out of our desks to play on. It worked quite well. But most people won't take the time to procure something so handy, and I've never owned a piece of furniture with such a useful removeable piece.
 
Honestly I feel price is too much. (especialyl as still not using newest hardware as gpu is only akin to 30 series)

An XB/PS being that high is acceptable as it can do other stuff (browse web/play movies/etc)

Switch is just gaming and the games seen don't look near quality of said other consoles (or pc) so 80+ for games is a huge "why?" and we know its corpo greed.
& this is my view as a Nintendo fan since childhood (ala NES/og gameboy).
 
"You won't necessarily have to buy Nintendo's camera, though, as Nintendo's own website says you can use a "compatible USB-C camera." "

With the one crappy one they sell, coincidentally, being the only one that they'll ever allow to be "compatible". It's Nintendo.
That's small peanuts though, nobody's ever going to have a good reason to buy one. Nintendo couldn't figure out a use for the camera built into the DSi, nor the 3DS, nor.... I think maybe the Wii U had a camera. Now they want people to think they revolutionized communication because they might or might not still require you to install a dedicated voice-chat on a device that can natively make phone calls.
They always screw that kind of thing up.

Maybe I would be okay with the lack of OLED or any other premium features if the Switch 2 was literally half the price - but its $450 with no games. Nintendo's plastic kids toys and greedy profit margins can suck a lemon. That's nearly Apple prices. Actually, scratch that, because iPads start at $350 (and have multiple cameras built in). Switch 2 is higher than Apple prices.
It's a console for people who want the low-end "Nintendo" approach to hardware, but want to still pay high end, premium device pricing.
I felt ready for a Switch 2, but as an adult with a job I am 100% not-interested in getting this product at launch, and probably ever. No good will or benefit of the doubt here. It's probably not good for families either I doubt your kids are interested in the 4th entry soft-reboot of a franchise that ended 15 years before they were born, and the days of each kid getting their own gameboy and their own copy of pokemon are extinct, so I guess they better learn to share if you want them to put down the infinite free dopamine generator on their phone to play that "real" video game you bought them.

But I'm one of those rare weirdos who realized that you can just, you know, stop liking pokemon when you get older - and then your entire life suddenly gets better. If It's a choice between putting 500 hours into grinding a game of imaginary animals or passing a semester of college, you should definitely pick college.

As an aside, you know what kids actually do have instead of gameboys? The celeron N3050 chomebook their school gave to them. Devs should be targeting their kids games at that platform, because its install base is huge.
 
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"You won't necessarily have to buy Nintendo's camera, though, as Nintendo's own website says you can use a "compatible USB-C camera." "

With the one crappy one they sell, coincidentally, being the only one that they'll ever allow to be "compatible". It's Nintendo.
That's small peanuts though, nobody's ever going to have a good reason to buy one. Nintendo couldn't figure out a use for the camera built into the DSi, nor the 3DS, nor.... I think maybe the Wii U had a camera. Now they want people to think they revolutionized communication because they might or might not still require you to install a dedicated voice-chat on a device that can natively make phone calls.
They always screw that kind of thing up.

Maybe I would be okay with the lack of OLED or any other premium features if the Switch 2 was literally half the price - but its $450 with no games. Nintendo's plastic kids toys and greedy profit margins can suck a lemon. That's nearly Apple prices. Actually, scratch that, because iPads start at $350 (and have multiple cameras built in). Switch 2 is higher than Apple prices.
It's a console for people who want the low-end "Nintendo" approach to hardware, but want to still pay high end, premium device pricing.
I felt ready for a Switch 2, but as an adult with a job I am 100% not-interested in getting this product at launch, and probably ever. No good will or benefit of the doubt here. It's probably not good for families either I doubt your kids are interested in the 4th entry soft-reboot of a franchise that ended 15 years before they were born, and the days of each kid getting their own gameboy and their own copy of pokemon are extinct, so I guess they better learn to share if you want them to put down the infinite free dopamine generator on their phone to play that "real" video game you bought them.

But I'm one of those rare weirdos who realized that you can just, you know, stop liking pokemon when you get older - and then your entire life suddenly gets better. If It's a choice between putting 500 hours into grinding a game of imaginary animals or passing a semester of college, you should definitely pick college.

As an aside, you know what kids actually do have instead of gameboys? The celeron N3050 chomebook their school gave to them. Devs should be targeting their kids games at that platform, because its install base is huge.
I'm personally leaning on not moving up to the Switch 2 and you made some good points. In all likelihood the games are going to be upscaled to 4K with DLSS. I'm also not digging the crazy prices of their lineup, especially the games and I read the physical game cartridge still requires you to download a good portion of the game.
 
Maybe I would be okay with the lack of OLED or any other premium features if the Switch 2 was literally half the price - but its $450 with no games. Nintendo's plastic kids toys and greedy profit margins can suck a lemon. That's nearly Apple prices. Actually, scratch that, because iPads start at $350 (and have multiple cameras built in). Switch 2 is higher than Apple prices.
The iPad Mini starts at $500. And the iPad—wow—it's $350 for real. It has 128GB of storage and 6GB of RAM. The Switch 2 has 256GB and 12GB. It also has controllers. On paper the iPad seems to be a better value. However, in 6 years the Switch 2 will probably still be receiving updates and new games, but the iPad will be unsupported and barely able to load a web page with its 6GB of memory. Also the Switch 2 has Mario Kart which I personally think is a big deal.

Regardless I don't think a $225 price was ever realistic. Today a new Switch console costs $300. In today's dollars, the launch price of a Switch is $393, and that'll be $396 come June. The Switch 2 hardware is way better; a bigger screen, more pixels, higher refresh rate, more memory and storage, faster processor, better battery life, and a more sophisticated and convenient joycon connection.

Edit: also I would never cross-shop between the iPad and Switch 2. But I might between the Switch 2 and Steam Deck. For $400 the Steam Deck offers 16GB of memory and the same storage space. But it doesn't have detachable and easily-replaced controllers. It also doesn't have Mario Kart, good ray tracing, or good DLSS.
As an aside, you know what kids actually do have instead of gameboys? The celeron N3050 chomebook their school gave to them. Devs should be targeting their kids games at that platform, because its install base is huge.
Do schools let kids install their own apps on their Chromebooks? Would parents let them play games on it? I don't think I would be a fan of my kid using a school device to play games. Then games come to mind just by opening your homework device. I may be an oddity though. I probably wouldn't enroll my kid in a school that doesn't have old-fashioned textbooks, at least for some subjects.
 
I'll keep playing with the Switch OLED until the inevitable Switch 2 OLED model comes out in 2 years. These will likely be scalped anyway, just like GPUs.
 
Yep, like I said in the other Tom's article on the Switch 2, Ray Tracing has no business being in hardware or software on this handheld.

Guess this is what happens when nVidia is your GPU partner?...
 
Lets sum up what I care about:
  • No hall effect joysticks
  • Huge price increase
  • $80 games!
  • No SoC specification or performance metrics
  • Downgrade from OLED to LCD (IDK care how you spin it, thats a downgrade IMO)
So far looking like a swing and a miss.
This might have been just fine 5 years ago but now Nintendo has real, and often better, handheld competition.
Their games, especially being so expensive now, are not going to be enough anymore.
 
Here's what I see in this:
  • Mario Kart. Mario Kart with VRR and better graphics and higher resolution. (In split screen, higher resolution is a big deal.)
  • Games are the same price as Switch games when the Switch launched ($60 in March 2017 is worth $79 today).
  • It comes with a dock and detachable controllers and games for it target handheld and TV experience.
  • If a controller wears out, I can replace it without taking the console appart.
  • I'm confident I won't get a headache from flicker on the OLED display, because there is none. (Not sure if I would, but I'd rather not buy one and then find out.)
  • A 120Hz 1080p 7.9" display sounds perfect for gaming.
  • No Zelda game? I guess the upgraded display abilities are for Mario Kart.
  • Civ VII? So turned-based strategy games now exist on Switch. How about RTS?
  • Some games offer 4K 60Hz or 1440p 120Hz? Why not always 1440p 120Hz, or at least default to that?
 
Honestly I feel price is too much. (especialyl as still not using newest hardware as gpu is only akin to 30 series)

An XB/PS being that high is acceptable as it can do other stuff (browse web/play movies/etc)

Switch is just gaming and the games seen don't look near quality of said other consoles (or pc) so 80+ for games is a huge "why?" and we know its corpo greed.
& this is my view as a Nintendo fan since childhood (ala NES/og gameboy).
I completely agree. I haven't purchased a Nintendo console since the 3DS, and I'd argue that Nintendo's always been driven by a loyalty to their IPs. But, also, what helped the original Switch sell so well was that it was inexpensive relative to its competition. Nintendo understood its position in that regard. I feel like they've jumped the shark here, especially when you consider they're not adding in things like HE joysticks or OLED screens. This is just a performance upgrade with a premium price hike, and that's very disappointing.
 
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OLED isn't that nice. Yes, it has better blacks, but it's not that much better and in 10 years the OLED switch will be so dim it won't matter. People over value what OLED brings to the table IMO.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-burn-in-test-updates-and-results
While I have concerns about OLED longevity, you should understand the source intent when you post it. They're stress testing those screens, the use is far beyond normal amounts. The July 2024 update is also worthy of note concerning edge-lit LCDs.
 
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The old switch was a beautiful and hardy device. I am not too excited with the "more of the same" reviews. Steep price for an upgrade hopefully will see more PS and Xbox type games on this.
 
The iPad Mini starts at $500. And the iPad—wow—it's $350 for real. It has 128GB of storage and 6GB of RAM. The Switch 2 has 256GB and 12GB. It also has controllers. On paper the iPad seems to be a better value. However, in 6 years the Switch 2 will probably still be receiving updates and new games, but the iPad will be unsupported and barely able to load a web page with its 6GB of memory. Also the Switch 2 has Mario Kart which I personally think is a big deal.

Regardless I don't think a $225 price was ever realistic. Today a new Switch console costs $300. In today's dollars, the launch price of a Switch is $393, and that'll be $396 come June. The Switch 2 hardware is way better; a bigger screen, more pixels, higher refresh rate, more memory and storage, faster processor, better battery life, and a more sophisticated and convenient joycon connection.

Edit: also I would never cross-shop between the iPad and Switch 2. But I might between the Switch 2 and Steam Deck. For $400 the Steam Deck offers 16GB of memory and the same storage space. But it doesn't have detachable and easily-replaced controllers. It also doesn't have Mario Kart, good ray tracing, or good DLSS.

Do schools let kids install their own apps on their Chromebooks? Would parents let them play games on it? I don't think I would be a fan of my kid using a school device to play games. Then games come to mind just by opening your homework device. I may be an oddity though. I probably wouldn't enroll my kid in a school that doesn't have old-fashioned textbooks, at least for some subjects.

I use iPad because that is a common touchstone for an "offensively overpriced product, but at least it's made out of pretty nice materials and can do just about everything, instead of being a locked-down plastic kid's toy"
Also if I had pointed out the PS5 launched at $399 I would have sounded like a blind fanboy, even though I never bought/don't want a PS5. Then you have to go into a whole thing about PS5 having way better specs and way more storage despite being almost 5 years old (for the 1% of people who actually care enough about specs to only buy the best), Xbox Series X having even better specs (but nobody bought it), Sony raising prices on old garbage that nobody should buy, the offensively priced PS5 pro, differences between console vs portable gaming.

But none of it matters - because Nintendo promised their first party games are going to cost $90, so I'm never going to buy it.

It's the principal of it. I wish I could say I had real self-control, but this is coming from somebody who has money and who semi-regularly impulse buys $450 on electronic devices I don't even take out of the box more than once - although usually those are microphones. I have no self control but, for this, I am making a rare exception.

It would be nice, at least, If I could understand who this is even supposed to be for, though. Adults with disposable cash have high end phones, and would expect better than toy-grade materials in a portable at this price. Kids might not care, but they also don't have $500.

Although you do make a good point: The Switch never got a price drop. Ever.
Arguably it got a de facto price hike with the OLED version getting manufacturing priority during the supply chain crisis.

And as for chromebook games - there's a reason why the chrome OS version of minecraft is "Minecraft education edition", and that's only partly because chrome OS apps are near-universally unoptimized garbage-tier ports of android apps (or usually the literal android app, which ends up not working without a touchscreen). Chrome OS has almost zero real dev support, but Microsoft was so scared of chromebooks that Windows 11 is essentially a Chrome OS ripoff. Like 70 million kids got these things overnight, and they barely have a functional first-party YouTube App.
Besides, kids know how to get around parental controls, its never hard. Life finds a way. Limitations are where creativity is supposed to thrive - At least, that's what devs for playdate probably kept telling themselves.
 
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I wish Nintendo had made a "Switch Home" counterpart to the Switch Lite that brought significant cost savings by requiring a TV and having no portable mode, thus eliminating the need for the screen, the battery, and the Joy-cons (which could of course still be used with it, but wouldn't need to be bundled with it). But no. And it's likely they won't do it for the Switch 2, either, unfortunately.
 
While I have concerns about OLED longevity, you should understand the source intent when you post it. They're stress testing those screens, the use is far beyond normal amounts. The July 2024 update is also worthy of note concerning edge-lit LCDs.

I fully understand what is happening there. However, a lot of people like to argue "OLED" doesn't have these problems anymore which is completely false and why I posted the article. OLED is fine so long as someone knows what the technology does and doesn't gloss over the weaknesses. However, when I hear people say "I won't buy because it's LCD" I just find it silly as the trade-offs are fairly equal IMO.
 

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