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Hello, I am building my 2nd budget gaming rig and after making the mistake of buying a biostar in my 1st, I am looking for some advice on my build. Right now I plan on buying an i5-3350p, GTX 650 Ti, 4gb DDR3 1600 RAM, and have a Kingston HyperX 3K 120gb SSD on the way. Any advice on a motherboard to pick or on the build is appreciated.
 
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Well with that CPU, want to look at Socket 1155 mobos...and yes, I'd definitely avoid BioStar ....and MSI..and .....let's do it this way, only look at Asus, the Rock and GB, they are the Big 3 for many reasons. Do you have any kind of a budget and are there any special needs/wants out of a mobo.....this way we can narrow things down to good choices that fit what you have to spend
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Well with that CPU, want to look at Socket 1155 mobos...and yes, I'd definitely avoid BioStar ....and MSI..and .....let's do it this way, only look at Asus, the Rock and GB, they are the Big 3 for many reasons. Do you have any kind of a budget and are there any special needs/wants out of a mobo.....this way we can narrow things down to good choices that fit what you have to spend
 
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from the start heres how it went for me, please read this it is very important to everyone.
I ordered this board from newegg when i got it and built the machine it was great. i set it all up and overclocked it to 5ghz it ran like a charm, idling between 18 to 25c i felt because of such low temps i could get more. so because the bios was limited on the voltage i reflashed the bios to f3 and it unlocked the voltages. i was then able to get it as high as 5.4ghz but the temps nearly doubled but yet was still very acceptable at idle 36c and underload 44c. but it would freeze up here n there to the end result i decided to stay with the 5ghz.
i used the msi live update tool and it redownloaded and installed the bios back to the newest version. and when it did something went wrong and the end result was it bricked the board wiping out the bios.. i had to rma the board, having to pay another 25$ to resend it back to msi and waiting around 2 weeks with the transfer time. now whats wrong is. I paid for a brand new board, but their policy states they only send back refurb items. the board i got back was scratched and a dent right on the north bridge heat sink. i wasnt to happy but i said "heh, what can ya do" I rebuild the machine and it turns out the new board aint half of the first board. at stock speeds i noticed the board was running literally 3 times hotter. stock speeds idling at 41c and couldnt even get
the board to run at 4.5ghz without it burning up. so i was like here we go. i called and was not happy so msi this time paid for the shipping seeing that it was a sec bad product. I waited again 2 weeks, in the mean time i called msi and requested that they please send me a new board so theres very minimal chance of something being wrong with the next one and they told me they will do their best. and i explained to them if it was possible that they could put a bios in the board for me that had an (unlocked) cpu voltage and they asked me what version did i prefer, all in all they said no problem. now i have finally got the board back after another 2 weeks (2 days ago). yesterday i rebuilt the machine again for the 3rd time. and guess what? same junk all over again. they did put a different bios version and i noticed a few new options in it. but same limited cpu voltage, and same temps that i cant do nothing with. i know the board very well because i used the first board for 6 months before the utility bricking it. i know exactly what the board is capable of. but not these refurbished boards, their refurbished for a reason. the board wont let me flash it backwards at all. and the same cpu that ran as high as 5.4ghz wont even run at 4.5ghz in the last board (refurb) boards without it burning up. everything is the same but the board. so today i call msi and explain to them that i feel like i been taking for a ride. and wish to speak to someone high up in the company and i was refused. and explained to the guy that i do not want this
board and because they refuse to send me a new board i asked ill just send the board in its entirety back and they can just credit my debit card. also they refused. thats what brings me here. its to let everyone know what msi did to me. once you give your money they no longer care about us as consumers. they list the product as this great overclocker, and even dedicate a section of the bios to overclocking but yet will tell you they dont support overclocking. i have a msi kn9s diamond (nvidia 780a) board that runs circles around this board in my closet. that overclocks just as good with a 1/3 the temps. my wife has a asrock extreeme 3 990 board in the living room that ran this cpu at 40c on air with a zalman cooler. yet this with water idle is at 41c. i will never in my life buy another msi product for this experience. i will take the board as a loss, i refuse to accept another refurbished product after paying top dollar and originally buying a brand new product. I hope this opens a lot of peoples eyes because this could be you with your next msi motherboard. would it really be worth taking that chance ? i even told the tech that i was gonna post all over the internet what kind of treatment i got from msi, and how they cant even make good on 2 defective products that they swear by. i never in my life had any issues like this with a motherboard and i have owned hundreds from every major manufacturer that makes mainboards, asus, gigabyte, ecs, even from epox and dfi when they were around. but msi lost a customer for life. ill
never in my life buy one again and i hope none of you do either just so no one has to ever go through this. i will order now the asrock 990fx extreeme 9 motherboard that does everything this msi board was supposed to be and then some. higher memory support, 8 sata 6.0, nearly doubled the usb 3.0 and highly overclockable. i hope this helps many of you. be wise and buy from another company. im sorry for any typos that may exist or not using periods and caps where i should have. thanks for you taking the time to read this.

ex-Msi User.
 
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Can I take it your not a MSI fanboy? 😉 Join the club, I used a lot of their mobos in early mid 2000's but started slowing around 2008-9, as quality declined , they started hyping their advertising and continue to this day, but when Sandy Bridge came out, that was it, some may recall the original mobos were pulled due to a SATA controller problem, then when the replacements came out, believe MSI had 4 (maybe 5) models of P^& mobos that went out with extremely tight (overly tight) DRAM slots. People were buying the boards building and systems right and left were going into a non-stop start-shutdown loop, just between builds I had going, other clients and friends I was involved with about a dozen of them after all origiinally went out for sale, People were calling (I know of about 20, the same above and other builders from around the country I network with and over the course of a month or so, every body that called was given the same response - "No, we haven't heard of anything like that, why don't you RMA it and we'll check it" , then a replacement mobo was shipped to everyone.... They knew they had a big problem and just lied to one person after another, they never recalled the defective mobos, never notified the public, nothing....That was it! Haven't touched them since, except when folks call wanting upgrades or repairs and I see far more repair calls on MSIs than any other two brands combined - and it's mobo/BIOS problems...
 
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i used to be, every msi board i have ever bought was great, even this board. the first one that is, it was brandnew, but after their utility bricked the board i had to rma it. since then i rma'd 2 boards that they keep sending me back seems their defective one after the other. and they dont want to make good on it. so here i am to warn people of what they did to me so people dont get caught up in that mess they have going on over there. and when i went to the msi forums to tell people a brave msi forum mod banned me for "bashing" msi. but it was ok for them to basically rob me. so i will be a good person and just go tell people of what they did to me, and cost them millions by posting my experience on as many forums as possible. after people read it all theyll all think twice on if they want to take that chance of this same thing happening to them.

 
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don't blame you at all, have had a number of members ask me why I don't give them a try again, they have all these great features, etc......an I told a couple of them, if enough ask me to I'll approach MSI and see if they would be willing to donate a mobo and preferably a CPU and I'd make a build with it and supply quality components (even mentioned a 7870 or 660TI, up to 32GB of up to 2400 DRAM, good SSDs, Drives, PSUs etc.....and I even told them I seriously doubt if they would because unlike publications and web sites they give things to for review I'm independent, they give those things to select web sites, magazines, other pubs, etc, because they know they have a degree of control and will get decent reviews...if someplace tanks their products, they cut off advertising money and 'testing' samples....and I was right, they didn't even respond initially, then they said they 'have our hands full with media reviewers already'

hmmmm...I responded, odd that most all the other mobo companies have already ran through all this reviews stuff, what a couple months ago? Also said it was pretty sad with all their advertising about how great their products are they are shy about letting an independent test a mobo of their choice and, as said preferably a CPU - most places would jump on that, they'd hand cull a supremo CPU and top of the line mobo......not MSI....and as I also told them, it's sad, because from what I have seen I may have liked it and added them back to my sales list, and it wasn't like I was going to publish a review, if I liked it, I'd start suggesting THAT mobo, and in all likely hood would even buy one or two and see what I thought of them
 
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ive owned a few of their boards. this board was very different as far as quality and features. im referring to the brand new original purchase i recieved from newegg. the board really was flawless and the first mess up with their live update utility, before that bios update the board was rock solid, everything i clicked on was instant and load times were amazing. between me n a friend we have tried out every top amd 990fx boards from gigabyte,asus,asrock, ect. and only the gigabyte board came close to matching the overclocking specs this board achieved, i was running my 8120 at 5ghz with only raising the multiplier and cpu voltage to 1.45900 and it never batted an eye ran very cool between 18c - 23c on idle with the corsair h100i. i ran it like that for about 6 months before that utility bricked it. because the temps were so low i threw a lil more voltage at it and raised the multi up 1 and raised the fsb a lil, dropping the memory ratio down from 1866 to 1600 and got it to 5.4ghz and temps at idle was low 30s and under full load hit around 44c which was still great. but it would lock up here and there t the 5.4ghz. i still get a lil confused with all the voltages even after 25 years of building these machines. some or most boards have the llc feature as were msi uses the cpu-pll feature and i know that if i was to get the voltages all exact with the vdrop pll it would have ran at 5.5 easily. but i still after searching for months cant get straigh answers on exactly what i should set all the voltages to. the board seems to have a sweet spot as to where if you get the voltages matched perfect with the clocks and memory ratios to nb volt n multiplier it seems to lower its temps and instant youll see the machine take off. i made a mistake by not saving bios setting profiles and after hours of setting this and that i did find that sweet spot but i changed something and had to reset factory defaults and had to do it all over again. so i used to take pictures with my cell phone on setting to setting incase i happened to boot it and it was all matched i had something to go by incase of ever having to reset them. this board they sent me back like the last board they sent me back seems the temps or way off. and the voltage still with the newer bios only goes upto 1.4590v and when i asked msi about that they said its because none of the fx series cpus need more than that to hit the 5ghz and higher if used with the cpu-pll. but they wouldnt give me an asnwer as to what that pll needs to be set at. on the original board i was able to flash the bios backwards and picked the f3 or f4 bios which the voltage was i call it "unlocked" but now it seems i put in the thumb drive and when i click the m-flash it tells me no media found. i really like the board and know what its capable of, but im disgusted over it being refurbished and seeing the temps 3 times higher than the first board. maybe tomorrow if your not doing anything we can hook up and try going through the bios and seeing if we can get it back to the 5.4ghz i originaly had to set to. ill even setting for 4.8 - 5ghz. im off to bed right now its 2am and im beat. but im paul its nice meeting you and ill be on tomorrow trying to get things back to the way i had them.
 
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