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Haha, starter news always make me laugh.. Don't you people get it that this is for DEVELOPING COUNTRIES ONLY and trough OEM channels.
You are not going to even touch it on regular countries.
The limitations exist so they aren't used over the bigger editions. Pricepoint is set intentionally very low and the main target is to combat piracy, plus to give OEMs something to ship with a system.
Starter is most likely seen on average users desktops. I mean, how often do you see bliss.jpg switched from the average internet users desktop? They will switch it with a photo at most if they ever get enough usage skills to do it.
You are not going to even touch it on regular countries.
The limitations exist so they aren't used over the bigger editions. Pricepoint is set intentionally very low and the main target is to combat piracy, plus to give OEMs something to ship with a system.
Starter is most likely seen on average users desktops. I mean, how often do you see bliss.jpg switched from the average internet users desktop? They will switch it with a photo at most if they ever get enough usage skills to do it.
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[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]right here you ard-tard "According to Within Windows, consumers cannot swap out the original windows wallpaper, change the colors or sound schemes." Note KEYWORD - "consumers" tryign reading you self for once genius ![/citation]
The initial statement that appears to be what this article was entirely based on:
"In Windows Starter Edition, OEMs must not modify or replace the Windows-provided background for Windows Welcome, the logon screen, or the desktop."
Maybe there's something more from Microsoft that Kevin just isn't sharing, but it doesn't look that way. If you read the article this one links too, the opening paragraph eludes to Microsoft limiting the users. If you stopped there and skim the rest, you could easily walk away with that impression. I'm guessing this is a result of hastily done reporting by Tom's Hardware.
But regardless, there is NO indication in this statement from MS that users will not be able to change the wallpaper. Only OEMs are to be affected.
The initial statement that appears to be what this article was entirely based on:
"In Windows Starter Edition, OEMs must not modify or replace the Windows-provided background for Windows Welcome, the logon screen, or the desktop."
Maybe there's something more from Microsoft that Kevin just isn't sharing, but it doesn't look that way. If you read the article this one links too, the opening paragraph eludes to Microsoft limiting the users. If you stopped there and skim the rest, you could easily walk away with that impression. I'm guessing this is a result of hastily done reporting by Tom's Hardware.
But regardless, there is NO indication in this statement from MS that users will not be able to change the wallpaper. Only OEMs are to be affected.
Regulas
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Typical MS crap. I agree with other posts, there should be two flavours (like OS X) Home Edition and Business Edition. But that would be to easy, like a flat tax.
I will eventually get 64bit 7 but only for my gaming rig to dual boot with my current 32 bit XP but my laptop that I use for my real computing will stay Linux.
I will eventually get 64bit 7 but only for my gaming rig to dual boot with my current 32 bit XP but my laptop that I use for my real computing will stay Linux.
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[citation][nom]Jokemeister[/nom]Seems to me people want everything, pay nothing for it and in fact want to be payed for the trouble of using it. Give me a break. If you pay for the entry level version, you get entry level features. I'm not a MS fanboy, far from it, but for crying out loud, let's be real here.[/citation]
Starter Edition will cost somewhere around $100, which is outrageous for one thing, especially given the features that are revoked. Right now you can get Vista Home Premium for $100, not to mention if you buy a Mac the *FULL* OS is only $100, and for $150 you can get a FIVE (5) computer site license. If I payed to put Vista Ultimate on 5 computers in one house it would cost.....$175X5...$875! (I chose Ultimate because it carries the full feature set like all of Mac OS's.) Besides, paying $500 instead isn't much better when you get 5 copies of Home Premium. (Considering that 5 "Retail" copies of Ultimate would cost $1250....)
Microsoft severely overprices their OS's and they need to realize how bad their pricing/feature structure is, they can't just release an OS in one way. Although a Corporate/Home structure would be beneficial we don't need all the Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate, because this alone takes a whole one page chart to even explain.
Starter Edition will cost somewhere around $100, which is outrageous for one thing, especially given the features that are revoked. Right now you can get Vista Home Premium for $100, not to mention if you buy a Mac the *FULL* OS is only $100, and for $150 you can get a FIVE (5) computer site license. If I payed to put Vista Ultimate on 5 computers in one house it would cost.....$175X5...$875! (I chose Ultimate because it carries the full feature set like all of Mac OS's.) Besides, paying $500 instead isn't much better when you get 5 copies of Home Premium. (Considering that 5 "Retail" copies of Ultimate would cost $1250....)
Microsoft severely overprices their OS's and they need to realize how bad their pricing/feature structure is, they can't just release an OS in one way. Although a Corporate/Home structure would be beneficial we don't need all the Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate, because this alone takes a whole one page chart to even explain.
Can you all haters just STFU already ?
You want a feature? you have to pay for it.
Just like buying a car, between a Ferrari and Hyundai, basically what all you whinning little bitches trying to do are : Walk into a Hyundai dealership, and demand "Ferrari" level feature while paying "Hyundai's" price. and when Hyundai says are you out of your mind? then you just gonna whine like oh you guys suck and this is not how to do business we should have V12 and all those wonderful shit found in ferrari while paying only 20K. Fuxk outa here bitches.
You want a feature? you have to pay for it.
Just like buying a car, between a Ferrari and Hyundai, basically what all you whinning little bitches trying to do are : Walk into a Hyundai dealership, and demand "Ferrari" level feature while paying "Hyundai's" price. and when Hyundai says are you out of your mind? then you just gonna whine like oh you guys suck and this is not how to do business we should have V12 and all those wonderful shit found in ferrari while paying only 20K. Fuxk outa here bitches.
Here's the typical thing I see on this site, in C++(it actually works, compile and see for yourself)
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[citation][nom]growingtuna[/nom]The initial statement that appears to be what this article was entirely based on: "In Windows Starter Edition, OEMs must not modify or replace the Windows-provided background for Windows Welcome, the logon screen, or the desktop."Maybe there's something more from Microsoft that Kevin just isn't sharing, but it doesn't look that way. If you read the article this one links too, the opening paragraph eludes to Microsoft limiting the users. If you stopped there and skim the rest, you could easily walk away with that impression. I'm guessing this is a result of hastily done reporting by Tom's Hardware. But regardless, there is NO indication in this statement from MS that users will not be able to change the wallpaper. Only OEMs are to be affected.[/citation]
Go back to the article and read it again. Then read the second Link in that article, where he says he tried to replace the image file and it didn't work because Windows does a hash check on the file. That sounds like a pretty good indicator to me that the limitation applies to users.
Oh, and where are you people getting the idea that Starter Edition is only for developing markets? They didn't just sell Home Basic in developing markets did they? It's being made with netbooks in mind, that's why all the talk before about limiting running applications to 3.
Go back to the article and read it again. Then read the second Link in that article, where he says he tried to replace the image file and it didn't work because Windows does a hash check on the file. That sounds like a pretty good indicator to me that the limitation applies to users.
Oh, and where are you people getting the idea that Starter Edition is only for developing markets? They didn't just sell Home Basic in developing markets did they? It's being made with netbooks in mind, that's why all the talk before about limiting running applications to 3.
[citation][nom]NYCGPS[/nom]Can you all haters just STFU already ?You want a feature? you have to pay for it.Just like buying a car, between a Ferrari and Hyundai, basically what all you whinning little bitches trying to do are : Walk into a Hyundai dealership, and demand "Ferrari" level feature while paying "Hyundai's" price. and when Hyundai says are you out of your mind? then you just gonna whine like oh you guys suck and this is not how to do business we should have V12 and all those wonderful shit found in ferrari while paying only 20K. Fuxk outa here bitches.[/citation]
Not even close to the same. Hyundai never made anything to compete anywhere near a Ferrari. If you walk into a Hyundai dealer expecting Ferrari features you're a dick. But if you went in there expecting Hyundai features and then found out they made the new model you want without the ability to change the wheels on the car, you should be a little pissed.
It's one thing to hold back on a new feature that was made for the new premium version, like no Aero on Vista basic, but to remove a feature that was always part of every version of windows is just being a jerk. Like I said before, I'm sure it cost MS more to remove the feature than to just leave it alone. It's not about wanting everything and not having to pay for it, just about expecting something that should be standard because it ALWAYS has been.
Not even close to the same. Hyundai never made anything to compete anywhere near a Ferrari. If you walk into a Hyundai dealer expecting Ferrari features you're a dick. But if you went in there expecting Hyundai features and then found out they made the new model you want without the ability to change the wheels on the car, you should be a little pissed.
It's one thing to hold back on a new feature that was made for the new premium version, like no Aero on Vista basic, but to remove a feature that was always part of every version of windows is just being a jerk. Like I said before, I'm sure it cost MS more to remove the feature than to just leave it alone. It's not about wanting everything and not having to pay for it, just about expecting something that should be standard because it ALWAYS has been.
I would say that Microsoft's initiative here is pretty acceptable.. if only it wasn't overly ridiculous to start with.
Let's see: they have Windows 7 coded, the ability to change wallpapers present since at least Windows 3.1, and almost every netbook on the market has Windows XP Home Edition, which is fully functional.
Now people who buy a netbook with Windows 7 starter edition will have to pay slightly more for it and have something with less functionality ?
Let's see something here: for at least another year, a netbook will be able to run just fine with something like XP: the mobile Atoms can't handle 64-bit code, the RAM limitations don't favour it either, and you simply don't need it yet for the kind of things you do with a netbook. So for the next year or more, Windows 7 SE will bring the netbook price slightly up while offering less. I've heard even a Win 7 SE license will be slightly more expensive than XP Home, but even if it's the same, the argument still stands. This is ridiculous.
Microsoft has been listening to its customers as of late: they backpedaled on the UAC problems, on the 3 app limit, and I bet this is the last one. I don't know if it will fall, but it's ridiculous if it doesn't. Like other readers said, I've got an old 2006 Nokia 6070, which was almost entry level then and I can change the ringtones, the wallpaper and such.
Microsoft seems to have a very hard time at learning from it's mistakes. Windows Vista wasn't exactly perfect when it came out, but probably most people would have a slightly better idea of it if it wasn't outrageoulsy expensive. I mean, you look and say "I've got XP, it works; Vista is out and it has driver, compatibility and performance problems, and on top of that it's bloody expensive. Conclusion: I'm not switching."
And if you look at it closer you see this wallpaper thing is so artificial, it's just another means for Microsoft to continue robbing people because they can. Sure, you can have linux, but they know people get confused with linux and they take advantage of that while they can. It's the market working, sure. It's legal, sure, every company charges what they want for their product, sure. But it's not loyal to it's customers and it's not ethical.
I mean, Microsoft had to go to the trouble to add a few lines of code to verify the hash of the picture file in order to stop people from changing it. This is ridiculous.
Let's see: they have Windows 7 coded, the ability to change wallpapers present since at least Windows 3.1, and almost every netbook on the market has Windows XP Home Edition, which is fully functional.
Now people who buy a netbook with Windows 7 starter edition will have to pay slightly more for it and have something with less functionality ?
Let's see something here: for at least another year, a netbook will be able to run just fine with something like XP: the mobile Atoms can't handle 64-bit code, the RAM limitations don't favour it either, and you simply don't need it yet for the kind of things you do with a netbook. So for the next year or more, Windows 7 SE will bring the netbook price slightly up while offering less. I've heard even a Win 7 SE license will be slightly more expensive than XP Home, but even if it's the same, the argument still stands. This is ridiculous.
Microsoft has been listening to its customers as of late: they backpedaled on the UAC problems, on the 3 app limit, and I bet this is the last one. I don't know if it will fall, but it's ridiculous if it doesn't. Like other readers said, I've got an old 2006 Nokia 6070, which was almost entry level then and I can change the ringtones, the wallpaper and such.
Microsoft seems to have a very hard time at learning from it's mistakes. Windows Vista wasn't exactly perfect when it came out, but probably most people would have a slightly better idea of it if it wasn't outrageoulsy expensive. I mean, you look and say "I've got XP, it works; Vista is out and it has driver, compatibility and performance problems, and on top of that it's bloody expensive. Conclusion: I'm not switching."
And if you look at it closer you see this wallpaper thing is so artificial, it's just another means for Microsoft to continue robbing people because they can. Sure, you can have linux, but they know people get confused with linux and they take advantage of that while they can. It's the market working, sure. It's legal, sure, every company charges what they want for their product, sure. But it's not loyal to it's customers and it's not ethical.
I mean, Microsoft had to go to the trouble to add a few lines of code to verify the hash of the picture file in order to stop people from changing it. This is ridiculous.
"Haha, starter news always make me laugh.. Don't you people get it that this is for DEVELOPING COUNTRIES ONLY and trough OEM channels."
Home Basic is for developing countries. Starter is for netbooks and low-end PCs and will be available in the US, EU etc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Editions)
Compared to Vista, Home Basic and Started switched places.
"This might or might not be true. Tomshardware has been running fake articles each weekend for some time now...
Does anyone know if this is real?"
Yeah, it sounds too retarded to be true, but it actually is.
"u want a feature? you have to pay for it."
Uhm....no. If you get a netbook with Linux or XP, you can change the wallpaper and a heck of a lot more. I have a hard time seeing how Microsoft will be able to push Starter to Netbook users. Netbook buyers will just:
-Get one with Linux instead
-Go with XP Home for as long as it's possible to get it with a new machine. It's far more capable than Win7 Starter. Since Aero is stripped out of Starter anyway, you don't get most of the user interface improvements.
-Pirate a more capable version of Win7
Noone is going to pay the $150 - $200 upgrade price to get a proper OS on their Netbook when the machine itself didn't cost much more.
Home Basic is for developing countries. Starter is for netbooks and low-end PCs and will be available in the US, EU etc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Editions)
Compared to Vista, Home Basic and Started switched places.
"This might or might not be true. Tomshardware has been running fake articles each weekend for some time now...
Does anyone know if this is real?"
Yeah, it sounds too retarded to be true, but it actually is.
"u want a feature? you have to pay for it."
Uhm....no. If you get a netbook with Linux or XP, you can change the wallpaper and a heck of a lot more. I have a hard time seeing how Microsoft will be able to push Starter to Netbook users. Netbook buyers will just:
-Get one with Linux instead
-Go with XP Home for as long as it's possible to get it with a new machine. It's far more capable than Win7 Starter. Since Aero is stripped out of Starter anyway, you don't get most of the user interface improvements.
-Pirate a more capable version of Win7
Noone is going to pay the $150 - $200 upgrade price to get a proper OS on their Netbook when the machine itself didn't cost much more.
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"this is a simple case of MS getting the "green eye" and disabiling features that have been hall marks of OS's for the last 20 years just so they can get some one to buy a more expensive version of thier OS.
any one that disputes this fact is a moron"
No one disputes this, it's just business. But, everyone wants to argue about if it's right or not(It is kinda messed up). It's their product, they can do what they like. If YOU don't like it, Don't buy it. That simple.
any one that disputes this fact is a moron"
No one disputes this, it's just business. But, everyone wants to argue about if it's right or not(It is kinda messed up). It's their product, they can do what they like. If YOU don't like it, Don't buy it. That simple.
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1) Find the location and name of the default wallpaper
2) Rename your desired wallpaper to the name of the default one
3) Copy over the default wallpaper with your renamed one.
2) Rename your desired wallpaper to the name of the default one
3) Copy over the default wallpaper with your renamed one.
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I'd bet anything that you can regedit any wallpaper you want. you can probably transfer .cpl's off a higher version and get the full functionality.
[citation][nom]fencecat42[/nom]I'd bet anything that you can regedit any wallpaper you want. you can probably transfer .cpl's off a higher version and get the full functionality.[/citation]
Regedit would be legal but I doubt it would work.
Replacing components would be illegal and not much better than pirating Win7 Ultimate, in terms of breaking the law.
Regedit would be legal but I doubt it would work.
Replacing components would be illegal and not much better than pirating Win7 Ultimate, in terms of breaking the law.
this is ridiculous; isn't microsoft wasting more time to restrict the windows os and having to contend with media/users about the restrictions than actually improving the os before launch?
i personally think time and money can be better spent in other development areas!
i personally think time and money can be better spent in other development areas!
[citation][nom]JimmiG[/nom]"Haha, starter news always make me laugh.. Don't you people get it that this is for DEVELOPING COUNTRIES ONLY and trough OEM channels."Home Basic is for developing countries. Starter is for netbooks and low-end PCs and will be available in the US, EU etc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Editions)Compared to Vista, Home Basic and Started switched places."This might or might not be true. Tomshardware has been running fake articles each weekend for some time now... Does anyone know if this is real?"Yeah, it sounds too retarded to be true, but it actually is."u want a feature? you have to pay for it."Uhm....no. If you get a netbook with Linux or XP, you can change the wallpaper and a heck of a lot more. I have a hard time seeing how Microsoft will be able to push Starter to Netbook users. Netbook buyers will just:-Get one with Linux instead-Go with XP Home for as long as it's possible to get it with a new machine. It's far more capable than Win7 Starter. Since Aero is stripped out of Starter anyway, you don't get most of the user interface improvements.-Pirate a more capable version of Win7Noone is going to pay the $150 - $200 upgrade price to get a proper OS on their Netbook when the machine itself didn't cost much more.[/citation]
OMFG the XP thing again? Hello this is Windows 7 hello ?
No one going to pay? Yeah I know, because cheapass and morons like you always wants to play without play.
I dont get it, people these days always want free lunch. In the 70s 80s, people will pay for what they want/need, without bitching.
Stop whinning and just STFU please. Go back to XP and cry.
OMFG the XP thing again? Hello this is Windows 7 hello ?
No one going to pay? Yeah I know, because cheapass and morons like you always wants to play without play.
I dont get it, people these days always want free lunch. In the 70s 80s, people will pay for what they want/need, without bitching.
Stop whinning and just STFU please. Go back to XP and cry.
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[citation][nom]seboj[/nom]I'm sorry, but where in that statement does it say anything about the user changing this stuff?That's right: it doesn't. All it says is that the OEMs can't change it.Yay, reading is fun![/citation]
"According to Within Windows, CONSUMERS cannot swap out the original windows wallpaper, change the colors or sound schemes. Apparently the same now holds true for OEMs and partners,"
yeah reading is fun.
"According to Within Windows, CONSUMERS cannot swap out the original windows wallpaper, change the colors or sound schemes. Apparently the same now holds true for OEMs and partners,"
yeah reading is fun.
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