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to me that looks like the higher you go the mroe resistance you have



The resistance of the
metal increases with temperature

# A positive coefficient for a material means that its resistance increases with an increase in temperature. Pure metals typically have positive temperature coefficients of resistance. Coefficients approaching zero can be obtained by alloying certain metals.
# A negative coefficient for a material means that its resistance decreases with an increase in temperature. Semiconductor materials (carbon, silicon, germanium) typically have negative temperature coefficients of resistance.
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so in this case, rabid peanut is correct, because we are talking about a semi conducter. however, copper wire would increase resistance with a higher temperature. so in a way, you are both right, but rabidpeanut is slightly more right in this case by sheer and utter luck

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taken from this page
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_12/6.html
 
TWIMC

Allright you win, just checked giancoli. Sorry for flipping out i'm kind of pmsing due to the topic i made about being rather angry. And cooling companies only exist to stop your cpu fusing due to heat, even if what i said were true the companies would still exist to stop your stuff blwong up in your face.

😱strich egg on face:

BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THIS IDIOTS

http://www.uel.co.jp/ptc/ptc-graph-01.htm

notice how the lower you go RESITANCE INCREASES, oh you stupid stupid people. IOW YOU ARE RUNNING YOU STUPID COMPUTER BELOW 200C arent you? therfore you are increasing resisantce just as i said you would.

'tard

VICTORY IS JUST SO SWEET.
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That graph is only valid for the PTC Thermister component on that page. It doesn't need to apply for any other component.
 
You are telling me that a law of physics only applies to certain objects? So then that would mean that it is possible that chemical reactions only happen in my brain and not yours. Look the fact remains you go too low, you get increased resitance, try passing a current through something at ->0 K and then pass it through that same object at a room temperature. 0 k precludes all movenet therefore at 0 k electons will collapse in on an atom and a black hole will form as other atoms collapse in on the collapsed atom. The lower you go the harder it is for objects to move, this applies to electrons too. So you people can cool your cpus down until the crack for all i care, it is a dumb idea, i am right, you are wrong.

"One can have no opinions about the truth"- TES-Morrowind.

Oh and uuuu.... Luck my rear end.
 
CPU's are chock full of semiconductor. I am going to genetically engineer an egg so big that i can drop it on your entire country.

(Yes i know that egg number is not heritable and therefore not modifyable but i think that size might be.)
 
You are telling me that a law of physics only applies to certain objects? So then that would mean that it is possible that chemical reactions only happen in my brain and not yours. Look the fact remains you go too low, you get increased resitance, try passing a current through something at ->0 K and then pass it through that same object at a room temperature. 0 k precludes all movenet therefore at 0 k electons will collapse in on an atom and a black hole will form as other atoms collapse in on the collapsed atom. The lower you go the harder it is for objects to move, this applies to electrons too. So you people can cool your cpus down until the crack for all i care, it is a dumb idea, i am right, you are wrong.

"One can have no opinions about the truth"- TES-Morrowind.

Oh and uuuu.... Luck my rear end.
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You are making a fool out of yourself.

The only thing I said was that the graphs you referred to was only valid for that component. So please read my post again. Don't try and read in between the lines this time.

I went to the science program so I'm much aware of the laws of physics.

I don't even know if you can read the graphs right. According to the graphs resistance DECREASES to a certain point. Then it starts to increase slightly.

And different components have different curves. A thermistor and a transistor are very different components so the curve for a transistor is most likely very different.
 
Okay.. so you've proved that there is a greater resistance at lower tempatures, but your not proving that he is not right about that fact that the atomic motion would become extremely unstable at high tempatures as the electrons or whatever would be moving to fast.

Btw, have you heard a little saying called heat kills?

Car engines die when they get to hot, lifeforms die if they get to hot, cpus die when they get to hot, and so does everything else.


So in reality who gives a shit if there is a greater resistance, we want things to last.
 
Okay.. so you've proved that there is a greater resistance at lower tempatures, but your not proving that he is not right about that fact that the atomic motion would become extremely unstable at high tempatures as the electrons or whatever would be moving to fast.

Btw, have you heard a little saying called heat kills?

Car engines die when they get to hot, lifeforms die if they get to hot, cpus die when they get to hot, and so does everything else.


So in reality who gives a shit if there is a greater resistance, we want things to last.
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Did you quote the right person?
 
Cold kills too. This is aimed at all of you who believe that resistance in a cpu will not increase when the temp drops, that is all i am arguing, i have stopped trying to convince you that freezing you computers won't help you.

Argue with Steven Hawkings, if you are lucky he might run over your toe with his wheelchair, maybe one of his cells will fall on you, that is the smartest you are ever going to get.
 
Ok then, if anyone has killed a cpu for "being too cold" please post..........


LN2 is the only way to get insane overclocking (P4 to 7+ghz, Pentium M to 3+ghz, A64 to 3.4+ghz), i dont see anyone posting "P4 3.8 @ 9ghz NO COOLING".

If you dont believe in good/extreme cooling then go back under the rock you came from - the more copper and LN2 cooling for me!

Go buy a prescott and find the best way to overclock to ~5ghz, and wich would get there easiest? Stock cooling? NO COOLING? Water cooling? LN2? Moron.

This winter make sure you knit your poor cold computer a warm jumper to keep warm and keep your poor machine out of the draft.
 
Yup, but the cpu still ends up dead doesn't it?
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Yes, but it's not because of the low temp. You can run the CPU at low temp and standard voltage without any trouble. But at low temps you can increase the voltage a lot higher than at normal temps. So that is the reason to get low temps. But still the CPU comes to a limit where the voltage is to high. But the limit is higher at lower temps.

To high voltage is the most common that kills the CPU. Heat is not the most common thing... Cold killing a CPU has I never heard of.
 
I didn't ever see it happening personally but i have seen cracked chips that broke due to cold. What happend to the conductive paste/gel when you get to temperatures that low?
 
I didn't ever see it happening personally but i have seen cracked chips that broke due to cold. What happend to the conductive paste/gel when you get to temperatures that low?
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Cracked chips that broke due to cold? How then do you know the cooling element/plate wasnt mounted incorectly? and as for the thermal paste - it supposed to be a thin layer that fills the gaps betweem the cooler and the cpu not a thick gob so it wouldnt matter.

The only cpus that have the die exposed currently are the Athlon XP's and Pentium M's, other then them, you cannot see the die directly (P4/A64), so whats this "cracked chips" you are refering to?

There are more burnt out/dead chips killed due to overheating/overvolting then by overcooling (now thats a funny word) and i dont thing there has ever (or not many) that have been killed by overcooling or whats involved with it.

Your story changes every time you reply.
 
its looks to me that you need to retake physics. You ever heard of superconducting materials? They are cooled nearly to 1K. Now how do you explain that?
 
Theres only one person making worthless arguments.

Look, if you think if your cpu would run better off hot then why dont you just remove all the fans from your computer and get back to us with the results a few minutes after it dies so you can tell us all how much of a moron you were for thinking hotter is better.

While your at it explain why my GeForce 6600GT (with a dud fan) crashed at 93c and works now with a new Zalman cooler and overclocks further, Explain why my ancient AMD K6-2 500 @ 600 stays stable only with a larger cooler, explain why cpus even have coolers.[/b]

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