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Making unlimited copies and selling them?
Legal or no?
this feels like a bad faith question and very obviously Not the point being made about ownership.
Making unlimited copies and selling them?
Legal or no?
I'm just asking as that relates to "ownership".this feels like a bad faith question and very obviously Not the point being made about ownership.
If nintendo is correct then yuzu does real time code breaking and that would be illegal, even if you argue that using the prod.keys file is legal, using it to crack the game in real time is still not legal.One problem: Yuzu hasn't done anything wrong. Nintendo has lost each and every time they tried this crap, and they will lose again
Yuzu unlawfully circumvents the technological measures on Nintendo Switch games and allows for the play of encrypted Nintendo Switch games on devices other than a Nintendo Switch. Yuzu does this by executing code necessary to defeat Nintendo’s many technological measures associated with its games, including code that decrypts the Nintendo Switch video game files immediately before and during runtime using an illegally-obtained
copy of prod.keys
Ownership is limited only by the law, and that is itI'm just asking as that relates to "ownership".
If you "own it", you can do what you like, correct?
(within the law, or course. No driving the car through a storefront)
Now...you cannot create multiple copies and sell them, correct?
So...a limitation.
Call it what you want...ownership, licensing, whatever....
But the "ownership" is not unlimited.
Using it to crack the game in real time is not legal? I don't think this is true, but I am not a lawyer. You could be right. Even if you are, it doesn't matter: Yuzu devs don't do that. The end user does. Again, Yuzu did nothing wrong. Don't use the manufacturer of the knife, they did nothing wrong. Sue the killer.If nintendo is correct then yuzu does real time code breaking and that would be illegal, even if you argue that using the prod.keys file is legal, using it to crack the game in real time is still not legal.
Using it to crack the game in real time is not legal? I don't think this is true, but I am not a lawyer. You could be right. Even if you are, it doesn't matter: Yuzu devs don't do that. The end user does. Again, Yuzu did nothing wrong. Don't use the manufacturer of the knife, they did nothing wrong. Sue the killer.
No. They didn't provide instructions on how to stab the victim. They provided instructions and said: This is how you hold the knife, this is how to cut flesh with it. They have no control over whether or not you cut up an animal to feed your family, or you kill a person.Except, if the allegations in the federal lawsuit are accurate, they didn't just sell the knife, the people involved frequently provided instructions on where and how to stab the victim. And Nintendo has had some significant success with their DMCA Section 1201 lawsuits.
No. They didn't provide instructions on how to stab the victim. They provided instructions and said: This is how you hold the knife, this is how to cut flesh with it. They have no control over whether or not you cut up an animal to feed your family, or you kill a person.
I haven't read it. Typically, lawsuits are 928,751,866,403 pages long so it would be hard for me to get through it. I don't even know where the lawsuit is. But I think Nintendo is suing as a knee-jerk reaction to numerous games being played weeks early on PC before switch release. I think if Yuzu was doing something illegal, or the dump guide was illegal, which has been there for years, Nintendo would have sued by now. You know how vicious they are about protecting their IP.Have you actually *read* the lawsuit? There are literal allegations of things that go well beyond this.
I haven't read it. Typically, lawsuits are 928,751,866,403 pages long so it would be hard for me to get through it. I don't even know where the lawsuit is.
Oh okIt was a rhetorical question. I had absolutely no belief that you had actually read it or had any familiarity with the extent of the allegations contained within.
Yes, it is the YUZU devs that do that, as soon as the user provides all the files necessary (firmware, keys, etc) the emulator itself decrypts the game, that is a core feature and is not something the user does.Using it to crack the game in real time is not legal? I don't think this is true, but I am not a lawyer. You could be right. Even if you are, it doesn't matter: Yuzu devs don't do that. The end user does. Again, Yuzu did nothing wrong. Don't use the manufacturer of the knife, they did nothing wrong. Sue the killer.
Yuzu doesn't do anything until the end user gives input. As the old adage goes: computers only do what you tell them to do. Go download yuzu and and decrypt a game. You can't until you have 3 files: the keys, the firmware, and the game. Yuzu provides neither.Yes, it is the YUZU devs that do that, as soon as the user provides all the files necessary (firmware, keys, etc) the emulator itself decrypts the game, that is a core feature and is not something the user does.
YUZU isn't a knife, it's a stabbing machine, pointed at the game, that does all the stabbing automated.
The court will have to decide on if decrypting a game is illegal or not, I have no idea either, but that's the main issue that nintendo has.
It doesn't matter what you think, or I, or anybody on this site.Yuzu doesn't do anything until the end user gives input. As the old adage goes: computers only do what you tell them to do. Go download yuzu and and decrypt a game. You can't until you have 3 files: the keys, the firmware, and the game. Yuzu provides neither.
If decrypting a game is illegal, who is doing the decrypting? Is it the developers or the end user. Killing innocent people is illegal. Who is doing the killing? The manufacturer of the knife, or someone else? Who is responsible for the victims death? Nintendo is trying to pin blame on the manufacturer. Again, As the old adage goes: guns don't kill people. People kill people.
I don't think this will come down to whether or not decrypting games is legal. Even if it's not, it isnt the developer who decrypts the games, it's the end user. If decrypting games is illegal, go after the people who are decrypting the games. This would not be the developer. Providing an application that can decrypt games is not the same thing as decrypting games, in the same way, manufacturing a knife which can be used to kill someone is not the same thing as killing someone.
I have said it a thousand times and I will say it again, Nintendo is suing the wrong person
No it wouldn't, not even anywhere near.Any win against Yuzu would shut down all emulation of Nintendo consoles past or future. Thats Nintendo's goal in end.
Then if the case is against decrypting games,It doesn't matter what you think, or I, or anybody on this site.
What matters is what the judges will think, I was just saying that nintendo doesn't go after emulation, with this case, but against the decrypting of the games.
Yup, If I was someone creating an emulator I would use a basic rule : stay away from current Gen, simple right?Just to clarify, nintendo does not move against emulators here, Yuzu is decrypting the games in real time which is basically real time cracking of the game.
At least that's what nintendo tries to push through here.
Again, this is a matter of how the law sees it and not us, if it's not within nintendo's rights to do this then the court will just throw the case out.Then if the case is against decrypting games,
sue the people who are decrypting the games. This would not be the developer. Providing an application that can decrypt games is not the same thing as decrypting games, in the same way, manufacturing a knife which can be used to kill someone is not the same thing as killing someone. Nintendo is suing the wrong person
The courts have ALREADY said this is not acceptable as a defense. The flat out found against Mosanto and then Bayer regarding Roundup weed killer causing cancer in end users. They tried to use that defense too. We just make the product. And we actually TELL people to take X and Y precautions because we know it might be carcinogenic. But we don't make people breathe it in or get it on their skin. That's their own fault for not wearing the necessary protection.Yuzu doesn't do anything until the end user gives input. As the old adage goes: computers only do what you tell them to do. Go download yuzu and and decrypt a game. You can't until you have 3 files: the keys, the firmware, and the game. Yuzu provides neither.
If decrypting a game is illegal, who is doing the decrypting? Is it the developers or the end user. Killing innocent people is illegal. Who is doing the killing? The manufacturer of the knife, or someone else? Who is responsible for the victims death? Nintendo is trying to pin blame on the manufacturer. Again, As the old adage goes: guns don't kill people. People kill people.
The flat out found against Mosanto and then Bayer regarding Roundup weed killer causing cancer in end users. They tried to use that defense too. We just make the product. And we actually TELL people to take X and Y precautions because we know it might be carcinogenic. But we don't make people breathe it in or get it on their skin. That's their own fault for not wearing the necessary protection.
KitchenAid knows at some point or another that one of their knives will be used to kill someone. The same can be said with all the kitchen knife manufacturers in the world. Yet I've never seen a kitchen knife manufacturer sued after someone was killed with one. Many people in the world have been killed with kitchen knives. It happens in domestic abuse cases all the time, yet the knife manufacturers are doing just fine and their products are still on the shelves.The courts at all levels straight up said basically you knew some people were going to use the gun to commit crimes but you sold it to them anyway. Guilty. So I can't see this being any different. If you sell something to somebody knowing ahead of time that it is going to be used in a way that causes harm, whether YOU cause the harm or not, your product does, and you are culpable for it. End of story.