Nvidia 980Ti vs AMD R9 Fury X?

[teflon66]

Which one would be better for 1440p?
Is AMD's driver support bad?
Overall, what would be the best GPU to get and have the least problems?
(I know the Fury X hasn't been released yet, but its specs and some benchmarks have)

 

[Frag Maniac]

The Giga 980 Ti G1 is the best performing 980 Ti I've seen benched, including the 980 Ti Hybrid. The Hybrid yields cooler temps, but is limited in other ways.

The ASUS Strix with the new DCU III tri fan cooler might perform on par, but is still widely unavailable, and I would trust Giga's support over theirs any day.

The only thing I would guess the Strix might beat the Giga at is load noise level, but they often achieve that with lower fan speed that results in more heat.

Keep in mind most of the aftermarket cooled cards also have custom PCBs and power circuits with dual 8 pin setups and custom BIOS that allow them to run a higher boost clock than ref board cards.

 

[teflon66]

Now that ASUS and Zotac have unveiled new models, which should I go for?

 

[Frag Maniac]

Now that ASUS and Zotac have unveiled new models, which should I go for?

I still feel the Gigabyte G1 is the best, especially after seeing Guru3D's review on the ASUS Strix, which show the Giga G1 beating the Zotac Amp Extreme, ASUS Strix, and MSI gaming in Firestrike when all are OCed.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_980_ti_strix_review,1.html

The scores were very close, and personal results may vary slightly, but I'm not just going by rendering power.

The Giga G1 is over 1/2" shorter than the Zotac, true dual slot vs 2+ slots on the Zotac (a problem for SLIers), it's quieter, cooler, and like I said, I feel Giga has the best support.

As for the Strix, it's actually a bit louder now than the Giga at load according to Guru3D, vs TPU's Giga test, but having 3 vs 2 fans now, that is understandable. Plus Guru showed it at a shopping 82c load, vs TPU's 70c on the Giga.

 

[teflon66]

Yup, Gigabyte G1 surpasses other 980Ti variations nearly all the time, from the many benchmarks I've seen.

So the G1 980Ti is 70 degrees Celsius at 100% load?

Do most Gigabyte cards experience coil whine and can I RMA for coil whine?

Just a general question, but can you SLI cards from different manufacturers (for example the 980Ti Hybrid and the G1 980Ti)?

 

[razamatraz]

Both are fine for 1440p.
Both AMD and nVidia have bad driver support.
nVidia's driver, anything newer than 347.88 is bad, crashes here and there on Win7 x64 pro and Win8/8.1 x64.
There is no escape from bad drivers...sorry to disappoint you.

You know what? It's not bad drivers, it's shitty game developers. Why the hell should AMD and NVidia need to tune their drivers every time a game comes out? The driver worked for every other game before it why not this one? The game studios who are too damn lazy to make their games work with the hardware and existing drivers are the real issue; they expect that the GPU makers will put a crap ton of effort into making their cards run with the garbage code they created. I wish NVidia and AMD had not bothered releasing a Batman Arkham Knight driver; they should have just agreed to say that the game was shit and drivers were not workable. It's time the damn developers learned to code and time they took the heat for it not the GPU makers.

this is interesting point to discuss. because in the end one way or another both company have no choice but to do it. the reason is simple. once developer are done with one specific game they will move on to another project. for example imagine when nvidia finally able to come out with pascal. when that time comes RS most likely already move on with new project. will they care to make Arkham Knight to work as intended on Pascal based card? like it or not nvidia have work for it. RS will not going to release specific patch to make AK working with Pascal based card. the same goes with nvidia upcoming Volta. also there is probability dev for the said game no longer available (like in case of being disband by publisher or simply out of business like Kingdom of Amalur dev).

also there is thing that is competitive landscape between AMD and nvidia. providing launch driver for triple A games has become marketing point to both company especially with nvidia. sometimes it doesn't matter if the driver really work or not but releasing drivers in this manner will tell the customer why they should care with your product. so in the end releasing this specific driver is not only to cover up for game developer but for gpu maker own benefit as well.

This is certainly partially true, and my repsonse is late. I can't expect a game developer to come back and patch their game to work on a new card or new generation of cards, although games used to get patch support for years so...really why not? That said, on release a game should work with any card that has been around for 6 months. There is no way that NVidia should have to put 100s of dev hours to make a game work on a 770. The developer should have made it work on that card. Even new cards shouldn't be a big deal, 980Ti drivers don't add much over 980. Only in cases of new architectures should the GPU teams need to put in massive hours on driver development, otherwise NVidia/AMD are subsidizing Rock Star or BioWare or WB by doing their work for them and the studios are perfectly willing to take advantage of that.

 

[renz496]

Only in cases of new architectures should the GPU teams need to put in massive hours on driver development, otherwise NVidia/AMD are subsidizing Rock Star or BioWare or WB by doing their work for them and the studios are perfectly willing to take advantage of that.

well it has become the norm. though as i said both company also doing this for their own benefit. take nvidia for example. they partner with CDPR and The Witcher 2 was one of TWIMTBP titles. from the partnership look what happen with The Witcher 3. the Red Engine 3 were using PhysX as it's main Physic engine dropping Havok that was used in Red Engine 2. nvidia was able to go as far as convincing CDPR to use graphical feature that is have massive advantage on nvidia hardware. from one point it seems that nvidia/AMD are 'subsidizing' the game development on PC. but that small investment is worth it when it can give you edge against your competitor.

 

[hatib]

gtx 980 ti is best option becuase of nvidia gameworks which looks very slick

 

[NightAntilli]

Anyone who supports GameWorks is an enemy of the gaming industry.

 

[Bossyfins]

Anyone who supports GameWorks is an enemy of the gaming industry.

Ehh, you never know.

 

[hatib]

Now why someone who support game works is enemy of industry

 

[Bossyfins]

Now why someone who support game works is enemy of industry

Both AMD and NVIDIA have done some shady Sh!t...

Recently, NVIDIA Hairworks, a gameworks division, destroyed AMD GPU performance.

Sorry for the cursing :/

 

[garneroutlaw]

Gameworks is indeed bad for the industry. Another driving force to create a GPU monopoly. All it is is a marketing scheme. Thats why Im buying a fury over the 980ti. Gameworks is way overrated imo and doesnt add enough to the game to pesuade me to buy Nvidia. Hairworks in witcher 3 has been a disaster. It kills performance and unless you are running a 980 or better, you better stick to hairworks off for 60 fps. I am not an amd fanboy, I just offloaded my 970s in favor of a single gpu; and I will refuse to buy any game that puts a large emphasis on gameworks.

 

[Bossyfins]

Gameworks is indeed bad for the industry. Another driving force to create a GPU monopoly. All it is is a marketing scheme. Thats why Im buying a fury over the 980ti. Gameworks is way overrated imo and doesnt add enough to the game to pesuade me to buy Nvidia. Hairworks in witcher 3 has been a disaster. It kills performance and unless you are running a 980 or better, you better stick to hairworks off for 60 fps. I am not an amd fanboy, I just offloaded my 970s in favor of a single gpu; and I will refuse to buy any game that puts a large emphasis on gameworks.

Saying your buying a fury instead of a 980 ti is not even a comparison. Unless you mean a fury x, a fury is meant for a 980 killer

Also, most games use NVIDIA based code. PhysX is pretty big.

 

[NightAntilli]

Now why someone who support game works is enemy of industry

Both AMD and NVIDIA have done some shady Sh!t...

Recently, NVIDIA Hairworks, a gameworks division, destroyed AMD GPU performance.

Sorry for the cursing :/

Not only AMD GPU performance. nVidia's own older GPU performance as well. They're doing tessellation 64x, which is visually equal to 8x / 16x. They are not only gimping AMD, they are gimping anyone that has an nVidia card that's not from the 9xx series. Even the 9xx series gets a bigger performance drop than it actually should. AMD actually has the advantage that you can force lower tessellation in the drivers. On nVidia, you don't get that option. If you go to the Steam community and read the comments, people with Titan X cards are turning GameWorks off in games like The Witcher 3, because it's too demanding... Imagine dishing out $1000 for a card and then being unnecessarily gimped like this.

And it's not the first time either. nVidia has been tessellating flat surfaces into triangles, and even on invisible water under a city for no apparent reason.

http://techreport.com/review/21404/crysis-2-tessellation-too-much-of-a-good-thing/2

In case you're thinking that it doesn't mention anything about GameWorks, we all remember the 'the way it's meant to be played' stuff. GameWorks is the same (if not worse) rebadged. On the last page of that link, the following is mentioned;
Unnecessary geometric detail slows down all GPUs, of course, but it just so happens to have a much larger effect on DX11-capable AMD Radeons than it does on DX11-capable Nvidia GeForces.
~
The guys at Hardware.fr found that enabling tessellation dropped the frame rates on recent Radeons by 31-38%. The competing GeForces only suffered slowdowns of 17-21%.


See the $2 million dollar investment for Crysis 2 by nVidia here.

The game is quite clear here...

 

[hatib]

Now why someone who support game works is enemy of industry

Both AMD and NVIDIA have done some shady Sh!t...

Recently, NVIDIA Hairworks, a gameworks division, destroyed AMD GPU performance.

Sorry for the cursing :/

Not only AMD GPU performance. nVidia's own older GPU performance as well. They're doing tessellation 64x, which is visually equal to 8x / 16x. They are not only gimping AMD, they are gimping anyone that has an nVidia card that's not from the 9xx series. Even the 9xx series gets a bigger performance drop than it actually should. AMD actually has the advantage that you can force lower tessellation in the drivers. On nVidia, you don't get that option. If you go to the Steam community and read the comments, people with Titan X cards are turning GameWorks off in games like The Witcher 3, because it's too demanding... Imagine dishing out $1000 for a card and then being unnecessarily gimped like this.

And it's not the first time either. nVidia has been tessellating flat surfaces into triangles, and even on invisible water under a city for no apparent reason.

http://techreport.com/review/21404/crysis-2-tessellation-too-much-of-a-good-thing/2

In case you're thinking that it doesn't mention anything about GameWorks, we all remember the 'the way it's meant to be played' stuff. GameWorks is the same (if not worse) rebadged. On the last page of that link, the following is mentioned;
Unnecessary geometric detail slows down all GPUs, of course, but it just so happens to have a much larger effect on DX11-capable AMD Radeons than it does on DX11-capable Nvidia GeForces.
~
The guys at Hardware.fr found that enabling tessellation dropped the frame rates on recent Radeons by 31-38%. The competing GeForces only suffered slowdowns of 17-21%.


See the $2 million dollar investment for Crysis 2 by nVidia here.

The game is quite clear here...

nvidia spents more and earns more while on other hand amd doesn't spent too much look there is a clear difference between nvidia gameworks and game at ultra settings amd should make something like gameworks and physx and then compete with amd now look these videos you will see clear difference and soon amd gone soon die it is still dddddddddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddd amd cancled there new cpus nvidia is gone soon take over amd nvidia is doing very right nvidia spent 2 million and earned more
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHrmAF9IzQU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ljHBBaAOk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYfYekrAPAE
now is it enough

 

[Bossyfins]

Not sure wheter your talking with a bias or are just being fan boyish lol..

AMD probably won't die. It might be straggling on. but it won't die.

 

[hatib]

Not sure wheter your talking with a bias or are just being fan boyish lol..

AMD probably won't die. It might be straggling on. but it won't die.

after seeing this videos you are still saying that nvidia is doing wrong

 

[HCSn]

Not sure wheter your talking with a bias or are just being fan boyish lol..

AMD probably won't die. It might be straggling on. but it won't die.

after seeing this videos you are still saying that nvidia is doing wrong

AMD didn't cancel their new CPU's, they changed the manufacturing process that they're going to be based on. Nvidia's gameworks is not good for the gaming indsutry, because it gives consumers less of an option on hardware, which is not AMD's fault, Nvidia just wants to sink their claws into developers and get as much money as they can. Not to say AMD has never done anything of the sort, but they've been very supportive of open-source content recently. AMD is certainly losing money but they will not disappear. Worst case scenario they get bought out by someone like Samsung or Microsoft.

 

[HCSn]

Not sure wheter your talking with a bias or are just being fan boyish lol..

AMD probably won't die. It might be straggling on. but it won't die.

after seeing this videos you are still saying that nvidia is doing wrong

AMD didn't cancel their new CPU's, they changed the manufacturing process that they're going to be based on. Nvidia's gameworks is not good for the gaming indsutry, because it gives consumers less of an option on hardware, which is not AMD's fault, Nvidia just wants to sink their claws into developers and get as much money as they can. Not to say AMD has never done anything of the sort, but they've been very supportive of open-source content recently. AMD is certainly losing money but they will not disappear. Worst case scenario they get bought out by someone like Samsung or Microsoft.

okay fine lets leave everything aside hardware destruction of industry etc dont they good tell me i love them

Sure, they make some good hardware. You're welcome to like whichever company you like, but that doesn't mean they're a benevolent company. AMD also makes good hardware and lately they've been looking out for the community more than Nvidia. I personally have no preference.

 

[renz496]

Now why someone who support game works is enemy of industry

ask game developer. since they are the one decided to use GameWorks. there are many game 'sponsored' by TWIMTBP program but i still see many of them did not use GW. but then again using third party solution is not all that strange to begin with.

 

[renz496]

Gameworks is indeed bad for the industry. Another driving force to create a GPU monopoly. All it is is a marketing scheme. Thats why Im buying a fury over the 980ti. Gameworks is way overrated imo and doesnt add enough to the game to pesuade me to buy Nvidia. Hairworks in witcher 3 has been a disaster. It kills performance and unless you are running a 980 or better, you better stick to hairworks off for 60 fps. I am not an amd fanboy, I just offloaded my 970s in favor of a single gpu; and I will refuse to buy any game that puts a large emphasis on gameworks.

and so was Mantle. AMD intend to corner nvidia with Mantle now that major consoles are using AMD GCN hardware. there were a lot of talk that GameWorks was some kind of nvidia reaction to Mantle. they know going with another low level API will be a losing battle for them so they create a middleware than can give their hardware advantage.

 

[Bossyfins]

Gameworks is indeed bad for the industry. Another driving force to create a GPU monopoly. All it is is a marketing scheme. Thats why Im buying a fury over the 980ti. Gameworks is way overrated imo and doesnt add enough to the game to pesuade me to buy Nvidia. Hairworks in witcher 3 has been a disaster. It kills performance and unless you are running a 980 or better, you better stick to hairworks off for 60 fps. I am not an amd fanboy, I just offloaded my 970s in favor of a single gpu; and I will refuse to buy any game that puts a large emphasis on gameworks.

and so was Mantle. AMD intend to corner nvidia with Mantle now that major consoles are using AMD GCN hardware. there were a lot of talk that GameWorks was some kind of nvidia reaction to Mantle. they know going with another low level API will be a losing battle for them so they create a middleware than can give their hardware advantage.

Ohh, how I love the GPu industry....

 

[renz496]

Gameworks is indeed bad for the industry. Another driving force to create a GPU monopoly. All it is is a marketing scheme. Thats why Im buying a fury over the 980ti. Gameworks is way overrated imo and doesnt add enough to the game to pesuade me to buy Nvidia. Hairworks in witcher 3 has been a disaster. It kills performance and unless you are running a 980 or better, you better stick to hairworks off for 60 fps. I am not an amd fanboy, I just offloaded my 970s in favor of a single gpu; and I will refuse to buy any game that puts a large emphasis on gameworks.

and so was Mantle. AMD intend to corner nvidia with Mantle now that major consoles are using AMD GCN hardware. there were a lot of talk that GameWorks was some kind of nvidia reaction to Mantle. they know going with another low level API will be a losing battle for them so they create a middleware than can give their hardware advantage.

Ohh, how I love the GPu industry....

all in the name of 'being competitive'.

 

[Frag Maniac]

If "980 Ti vs Fury X" was supposed to be primarily about hardware comparisons of those two models, I think the thread topic has faded away into the sunset guys.

 

[Mousemonkey]

If "980 Ti vs Fury X" was supposed to be primarily about hardware comparisons of those two models, I think the thread topic has faded away into the sunset guys.

Let's be honest, that was a foregone conclusion from the moment the OP typed out the title and way before they had clicked the "Submit" button but at least it hasn't devolved into a bunfight! :lol: