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For obvious reasons, Nvidia didn't reveal the codename for Ada Lovelace's successor. Some believe it could be Blackwell, a familiar codename from the Nvidia hack. However, we think Blackwell is likely the successor to Hopper, which Nvidia has labeled as "Hopper Next" on the roadmap.
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Yeah, Blackwell is most likely to be an HPC and AI-only GPU architecture. The successor to Ada Lovelace is currently labeled as 'Ada Lovelace-Next' , so that should come a year later in 2025.

So the most obvious guess would be that Nvidia can release the AD103, AD104, & AD106 chips with higher core counts and higher VRAM as either a "Ti" or a "SUPER" refresh.

Let's not count AD102 GPU die here, because the green team already have the fastest card around, the RTX 4090, and due to no competition in this segment, there is no need to launch the RTX 4090 Ti at the moment.

But maybe when AMD's RDNA 4 Radeon RX 8000 series cards arrive ?

Also, since the RTX 4080 and 4060 Ti both utilize a cut-down chip, AD103 and AD106 die, there might be a possibility that these chips can be used in the full-fat version as well. Obviously, with faster clocks and faster memory dies to make for a decent refresher in mid-2024 before the company rolls out its brand-new architecture for gamers in 2025.

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Fantastic news! That means 4090 is gonna last even longer in high-end gaming! Which makes it an even better investment!

Nvidia, is more than dominant in the GPU market, and it shows. No need to rush, when there's no competition.
 
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Meanwhile, AMD could do a RDNA3 refresh on N4. I'm not saying they will, but it seems like a relatively low-cost option for them to improve their competitiveness without a wholesale new generation.

TBH, I was kinda hoping they would do that with Zen4, also. Release a Zen4+, late this year, to counter Raptor Refresh and Emerald Rapids. They could hopefully improve their heatspreader situation, while they're at it.

Being realistic, AMD is getting beaten up so badly in the consumer market that it's hard to see how any near-term investment would be justified. More likely, we'll just see continued focus on drivers and AI.
 
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AI is just a marketing (BS) fad, like cloud computing a few years back. If you think AI is real, you don't know much about computing.
 
This shows a few things,
1. Gaming market is secondary if not tertiary to Nvidia - this is the same story during the mining craze where all GPUs and focus was diverted to miners. The prove is really post the mining craze, there was a flood of GPUs that still remained unsold till now, which means that the supply has always been there, but just diverted to miners through the back door. The light hash rate bifurcation is just a facade.
2. Lack of competition - AMD and Intel are just too uncompetitive. AMD in particular tends to try and solve the problem by dropping price which is great. But the perception of less stable driver persist. And to be honest, it is factual given that there are known day 1 issues that still remains on their “known issue” list even till now.

The PC gaming market is in my opinion, slowly dying. What was previously an affordable gaming platform is no longer the case. Understand that it costs more to produce anything now, but does not negate the fact that it is getting costly to game on PC. The better hardware is also immediately negated by the burden of the OS and games that is so taxing. I think it is a record that the flagship GPU, the RTX 4090 in this case, already struggles to deliver to 60 FPS at native 4K in some of the new rebooted titles within 6 months. Stretching it to 3 years for a refresh is not going to help. And I do expect whatever replacement in 2025 will run into the same problem, on top of increasing cost. At the lower end that can benefit from a newer and better GPU architecture, instead now we get planned obsolescence by means of limiting VRAM/ memory bus, on top of higher cost for the higher performance.
 
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bit_user said:
Meanwhile, AMD could do a RDNA3 refresh on N4. I'm not saying they will, but it seems like a relatively low-cost option for them to improve their competitiveness without a wholesale new generation.

TBH, I was kinda hoping they would do that with Zen4, also. Release a Zen4+, late this year, to counter Raptor Refresh and Emerald Rapids. They could hopefully improve their heatspreader situation, while they're at it.

Being realistic, AMD is getting beaten up so badly in the consumer market that it's hard to see how any near-term investment would be justified. More likely, we'll just see continued focus on drivers and AI.
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The problem is that AMD don’t seems to be tackling the issue that most gamers are concern, and that is their driver. The media don’t help either because a lot of them are likely paid to try and paint a very bad picture of the driver and FSR. In reality, as a user of AMD GPUs now and then, I rarely find teething issues, and FSR generally works ok for me. Visual artefacts are there, but it wasn’t terrible in my opinion, when you are considering between dropping graphic settings or just switching on FSR to maintain a level of FPS on older GPUs. It is not that AMD drivers are close to perfect because it is very clear they are behind Nvidia. Things like higher idle power for example have been on their “known issues” list for a long time, but still sits there for whatever reasons 6 to 7 months after the product release. While annoying, it does not affect the performance of games.
 
The amd sell well on third world... but with this launch "RX 7600" who drooped the prices one day before... make the people holding the wallet. AMD has the inferior product, make some people rage about that. Here the rx 7600 have price point of 400$ in some weeks will be at 300$ or ever lower. Why spend money in something you will lost 50% of value in weeks. For other hand every nvidia card has the value unchanged over months.
I'am waiting the 4060 review before decide where to throw the wallet.
 
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TBH, I was kinda hoping they would do that with Zen4, also. Release a Zen4+, late this year, to counter Raptor Refresh and Emerald Rapids. They could hopefully improve their heatspreader situation, while they're at it.
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I haven't followed CPU news too closely lately... is there some kind of flaw with the heatspreader, or do you just mean the "spider leg" design being kinda annoying?


edit: In regards to the article, I hope this means we'll see something like a "Super" refresh later this year. 4080 Super could use the weak AD102 dies, 4070 Super could use AD103...
A guy can dream. : P I was planning to get a new GPU earlier this year, but some other expenses got in the way. I'll probably afford one around the holidays, and am hoping that waiting patiently might let me get a better card for the money. If not, either way, I'll still get a video card and be really happy with it.
 
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Photonaxon said:
AI is just a marketing (BS) fad, like cloud computing a few years back.
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Like cloud computing? Sure, let's go with that.

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Here the rx 7600 have price point of 400$ in some weeks will be at 300$ or ever lower. Why spend money in something you will lost 50% of value in weeks.
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LOL, what kind of math is that?

A price delta of -$100 is only -25% of $400.

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For other hand every nvidia card has the value unchanged over months.
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That's not so.

wccftech.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Falls $20 US Below MSRP, Available For $379 US

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti is now available below its MSRP of $399 for US residents, making it a slightly better value than before.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
 
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I haven't followed CPU news too closely lately... is there some kind of flaw with the heatspreader,
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Yes, it's very inefficient. For high-end Ryzen 7000 models, it becomes the bottleneck when high-end water cooling is used. Hence, the rising popularity of AM5 delidding.

www.tomshardware.com

Noctua Unveils 3D-Printable Direct Die Kit for Delidded AM5 CPUs

Noctua's NM-DD1 direct die kit converts the company's coolers for delidded AMD AM5 CPUs.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

I guess the implication of the above link is that direct-die even makes air cooling a very viable option, for the 7950X.
 
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I haven't followed CPU news too closely lately... is there some kind of flaw with the heatspreader, or do you just mean the "spider leg" design being kinda annoying?
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It's way too thick which was done to maintain AM4 compatibility. The lapping tool from Thermal Grizzly allows you to take up to 1.6mm off the height of it just to give you an idea how much too thick it is.
 
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Meanwhile, AMD could do a RDNA3 refresh on N4. I'm not saying they will, but it seems like a relatively low-cost option for them to improve their competitiveness without a wholesale new generation.

TBH, I was kinda hoping they would do that with Zen4, also. Release a Zen4+, late this year, to counter Raptor Refresh and Emerald Rapids. They could hopefully improve their heatspreader situation, while they're at it.

Being realistic, AMD is getting beaten up so badly in the consumer market that it's hard to see how any near-term investment would be justified. More likely, we'll just see continued focus on drivers and AI.
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I'd bet we'll see something from AMD graphics wise around the time Zen 5 launches even if it is just a refresh. I'm curious how much of a benefit moving to N4 would be on the higher end parts given the memory chiplet nature.

CPU wise I think AMD would absolutely have to address the IHS to do a worthwhile refresh of Zen 4. It seems like Bergamo is their enterprise play given that Genoa is already going to be largely better than EMR.

Unfortunately I agree on the consumer/AI front as it seems like a really rough position for AMD right now.
 
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When the rx 7600 launch the price goes from 2280 BRL (475$)
Now you found at 1799 BRL (374$) when the rtx 4060 the rx will drop to 1500 (312$) if you try sell a used rx 7600 on the market here will be at 1200 brl (250$)... so almost burn 50% card price :)
 
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