News Nvidia defends RTX 5050 desktop GDDR6 decision — says power-efficient GDDR7 is a better choice for laptops

[JamesJones44]

GN definitely is not happy with Nvidia, on the 5050. lol

Is GN ever happy? I'm not sure I've ever seen them go through a review without complaints.

Not defining Nvidia here, just saying GN may not be the best reference of overall sentiment.

 

[Notton]

Is GN ever happy? I'm not sure I've ever seen them go through a review without complaints.

Not defining Nvidia here, just saying GN may not be the best reference of overall sentiment.

GN is pro-consumer through and through.
If they're happy with the product, they think it's good value for the consumer.
If they're unhappy with the product, it's poor value for the consumer, plain and simple.
If they're somewhere in the middle, it means it's a good value product, if it did X.
For example: GN was overall pleased with RX 9070 and 9070XT, but followed it up with their disappointment in MSRP vs. street price shenanigans.
Where as they crap all over the RTX 50 series as being a total disaster.

If you are a consumer looking for purchasing advice, they're good info. If you're an investor looking into who shafts their customers the most, you'll want to look at what they don't like.

 

[Amdlova]

Sad to see you still haven't changed dealer or talked to any therapist.

Tell this for the 92% market who buy Ngreedia

 

[xmod]

I'm been PC gaming for close to 50 years and I've never seen a company do something so outrageous in my life. President Donald J Trump should sign an executive order that prevents Nvidia from scamming REAL Americans.

 

[Tomk Lancy]

An honest company would just say “maximizing profits until market share is threatened”

 

[Misiu]

This joke of the graphic card shouldn't cost more than $100. $150 at the push. Buying this low end waste of silicone for $250 doesn't make sense. You are better off buying some used GPU which will run the circles around this. It is more like rtx5030 with the wrong name and price. If you think Ngreedia can't get any worse they will always surprise you.

 

[JamesJones44]

GN is pro-consumer through and through.
If they're happy with the product, they think it's good value for the consumer.
If they're unhappy with the product, it's poor value for the consumer, plain and simple.
If they're somewhere in the middle, it means it's a good value product, if it did X.
For example: GN was overall pleased with RX 9070 and 9070XT, but followed it up with their disappointment in MSRP vs. street price shenanigans.
Where as they crap all over the RTX 50 series as being a total disaster.

If you are a consumer looking for purchasing advice, they're good info. If you're an investor looking into who shafts their customers the most, you'll want to look at what they don't like.

Sounds like a GN advertisement and doesn't really address my comment.

GN complains about everything because it draws in views, which non-coincidentally, is their business model.

In context of this article, anyone reading this article can tell it's a crappy move by Nvidia, done simply to increase profit margins. GN complaining about it flamboyantly doesn't really add anything of value. It's just drama for viewership sake.

 

[hotaru251]

normie answer: "we are gimping desktop as much as we can to save pennies so we chose the cheaper worse g6"

 

[Notton]

Sounds like a GN advertisement and doesn't really address my comment.

GN complains about everything because it draws in views, which non-coincidentally, is their business model.

In context of this article, anyone reading this article can tell it's a crappy move by Nvidia, done simply to increase profit margins. GN complaining about it flamboyantly doesn't really add anything of value. It's just drama for viewership sake.

What do you mean it doesn't address your comment?
It breaks down why GN is unhappy and in detail, with facts, not feelings.
If you ain't nitpicking a product to shreds, you ain't doing a detailed review.

If you thought that was GN advertisement, that just shows your bias towards them, not mine.
As for what you call flamboyancy, that's the weekly news, every techtuber does it to feed the YT algorithm. Do you expect them to not voice an initial opinion? Do you not watch anyone else?

 

[emike09]

At that price, I'd rather buy the 10GB Intel Arc B570.

 

[JamesJones44]

What do you mean it doesn't address your comment?
It breaks down why GN is unhappy and in detail, with facts, not feelings.
If you ain't nitpicking a product to shreds, you ain't doing a detailed review.

Not ever product has flaws, but GN will find anything, even if it's their opinion (and yes, their complaint is not always fact driven, they say that themselves in their videos) to complain because it's entertainment and helps their business. Your comment doesn't address that. The comment is just the same "it's the best because they complain". I get it, it's entertaining, but when someone complains about everything saying they complained or "ripped it to shreds" doesn't really tell me anything because they do that for almost everything, good product or not. I would be more surprised if someone posted a video that said GN has zero complaints.

As for what you call flamboyancy, that's the weekly news, every techtuber does it to feed the YT algorithm. Do you expect them to not voice an initial opinion? Do you not watch anyone else?

You can get tech reviews without watching YouTube. I personally don't find the entertainment aspect appealing of YT tech reviews when looking for technical information. Listening to someone talk about their opinion for 20 minutes when all I want are the technical specs, performance characteristics and cost is a waste of time. I can easily form my own opinion by reading the pertinent information in far less time.

 

[CParsons]

And still my 3060 Ti TUF remains legendary.

 

[CParsons]

Not ever product has flaws, but GN will find anything, even if it's their opinion (and yes, their complaint is not always fact driven, they say that themselves in their videos) to complain because it's entertainment and helps their business. Your comment doesn't address that. The comment is just the same "it's the best because they complain". I get it, it's entertaining, but when someone complains about everything saying they complained or "ripped it to shreds" doesn't really tell me anything because they do that for almost everything, good product or not. I would be more surprised if someone posted a video that said GN has zero complaints.


You can get tech reviews without watching YouTube. I personally don't find the entertainment aspect appealing of YT tech reviews when looking for technical information. Listening to someone talk about their opinion for 20 minutes when all I want are the technical specs, performance characteristics and cost is a waste of time. I can easily form my own opinion by reading the pertinent information in far less time.

You see complaints, others see cutting through the BS. It's a big world.

 

[jlake3]

What do you mean it doesn't address your comment?
It breaks down why GN is unhappy and in detail, with facts, not feelings.
If you ain't nitpicking a product to shreds, you ain't doing a detailed review.

If you thought that was GN advertisement, that just shows your bias towards them, not mine.
As for what you call flamboyancy, that's the weekly news, every techtuber does it to feed the YT algorithm. Do you expect them to not voice an initial opinion? Do you not watch anyone else?

It sounds like a GN advertisement because it boils down to mostly just puffery about how great GN is with an implied "You either like GN or you like screwing over consumers", and it doesn't answer the question because the example of them being happy is immediately followed by the caveat that they weren't fully happy with that product.

I'm not a regular GN viewer anymore, but I used to watch a decent bit of their stuff, and Steve is exceptionally bombastic in some of his complaints. When there's something like this that everyone knows about and everyone is unhappy about and has been widely reported elsewhere, sometimes it does feel like he's compelled to one-up all the other discontent.

As for nitpicking a product to shreds being the only way to do a detailed review... again, I fell off from regular viewership a while ago, but for as much you repeated the word "value", I felt some of his value assessments were... projecting things he valued as an overclocking enthusiast onto the general public. I remember him recommending against a PSU that met or exceeded every standard it claimed to meet because it didn't exceed them by enough, having a thing for disliking most stock/near-stock GPUs in favor of ones with massive coolers and extra voltage phases for overclocking, and case reviews being almost exclusively coming down to how they scored in a thermal torture test. For overclocking enthusiests buying top-end gear, that's important! For average people trying to get the most mileage for their dollar on a midrange product... it kinda ends up being nitpicking.

To bring it back around to the RTX 5050, we don't know how much it's bottlenecked by memory bandwidth, if it is at all. Nvidia is clearly doing this as a cost savings measure, but if it's hitting other bottlenecks before it hits a memory bandwidth one, then it's kinda questionable engineering to throw more unusuable bandwidth at it, especially if GDDR7 supply is an issue. And even if the desktop 5050 did have GDDR7, the amount of compute for the stated MSRP would still be bad.

 

[Notton]

BTW, I don't watch GN religiously, nor regularly.
I only use GN as one source of information out of many, like any other savvy consumer looking for the best deals, and what to look out for.

 

[RedBear87]

Desktop 5050 is just a low-end, budget GPU, plain and simple.

That's the vanilla 5060. 5050 is just c*ap that no one should buy for no reason whatsoever. Not at that price point and not with those specs. The whole point with the last couple of generation of GPUs was downgrading them by at least one notch, while expecting that people wouldn't notice that a 3060 gave you 12GB, but now a 5060 will just give you 8GB and you'll have to be happy with that, because it might have been 6GB or 4GB if Jensen felt like doing that. All hail Jensen. /s

 

[thestryker]

doesn't really tell me anything because they do that for almost everything, good product or not

This just means you don't actually watch anything of theirs except for the stuff they do that for.

In context of this article, anyone reading this article can tell it's a crappy move by Nvidia, done simply to increase profit margins. GN complaining about it flamboyantly doesn't really add anything of value. It's just drama for viewership sake.

How is an article going over the situation any different than someone making a video about the same thing? It's a different medium that's for sure, and I much prefer written myself because of the time spent aspect, but that doesn't invalidate video.

 

[thestryker]

Most folks around here thankfully seem to get that using GDDR6 is just a money saving move. It very likely won't have any performance impact since there are fewer cores in the 5050 than the 4060 and it has more memory bandwidth.

The biggest problem with the 5050 is still the price tag and while I'd rather we moved on from 8GB video cards period if this was actually a budget card it'd be a reasonable amount.

 

[MoxNix]

Translation: DDR6 is a better choice for NVidia's profit line because it's cheaper. Doesn't matter that it's slower, uses more power, gets hotter, etc, that's the buyer's problem.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Does anyone have any memories of such a low-end class graphics card which wasting so much electricity?

To be honest, the 5050 is almost identical to the GTX 1080 besides the added RTX logic units on the die. Both have 2,560 cores, 8 GB of memory, and the same memory bandwidth. The only difference is in how each card reaches the same bandwidth, IE: gtx 1080 has a 256-bit bus running 10 Gbps GDDR5X memory, vs the RTX 5050 having a 128-bit bus running 20 Gbps GDDR6 memory. Obviously there are generational differences between the 2, but it’s funny how similar they are “specs-wise”

 

[George³]

To be honest, the 5050 is almost identical to the GTX 1080

How years between its launch dates?
Ps. In TPU GPU database GTX 1080 is ~8% faster, also have more memory bandwidth because of 256 bit bus.

 

[beyondlogic]

To be honest, the 5050 is almost identical to the GTX 1080 besides the added RTX logic units on the die. Both have 2,560 cores, 8 GB of memory, and the same memory bandwidth. The only difference is in how each card reaches the same bandwidth, IE: gtx 1080 has a 256-bit bus running 10 Gbps GDDR5X memory, vs the RTX 5050 having a 128-bit bus running 20 Gbps GDDR6 memory. Obviously there are generational differences between the 2, but it’s funny how similar they are “specs-wise”

its just as close to
2070 super in terms of cores as well just drastically cut down rops and bandwidth. etc

 

[TheSecondPower]

While I generally like GN for testing, like everyone else in the enthusiast community their opinions are slanted towards power-users and gamers. The 5050 is just the 50 series version of those older xx30 / xx40 cards which are almost always sold to OEMs. I imagine a bunch of these being put into Dell desktops / etc..

Most folks around here thankfully seem to get that using GDDR6 is just a money saving move. It very likely won't have any performance impact since there are fewer cores in the 5050 than the 4060 and it has more memory bandwidth.

The biggest problem with the 5050 is still the price tag and while I'd rather we moved on from 8GB video cards period if this was actually a budget card it'd be a reasonable amount.

I bought an Arc A310 just for the media encoder (for a Jellyfin server). I wanted the encoder in an Arc B570 or RTX 4060 but the A310 was good enough and a lot cheaper. Now the 5050 is a viable alternative to the B570 for anyone who needs more than the A310 encoder can do. There is still a market for GPUs optimized for price, video decoding, and video encoding, and if cheaper memory is the way to get there then it's the right choice. But it's not enough; if I were buying today I'd still take the A310 because it's 90% of the encoding ability for 50% of the cost.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

How years between its launch dates?
Ps. In TPU GPU database GTX 1080 is ~8% faster, also have more memory bandwidth because of 256 bit bus.

Nvidia’s official 5050 specs states it is using 20 Gbps GDDR6 on a 128-bit bus which does indeed equal the same bandwidth as 10 Gbps GDDR5X on a 256-bit bus, whereas TPU’s 5050 specs page is most likely a holdover from using the 3050 page as a template to create the new 5050 page since it states 14 Gbps GDDR6 for the 5050 which is incorrect for the 5050 but correct for the 3050. I also wouldn’t hold that 8% as factual, most likely it is a TPU guess since no performance numbers or independent testing has been published yet.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

its just as close to
2070 super in terms of cores as well just drastically cut down rops and bandwidth. etc

Yes, the 2070 super is close, but less close versus the 1080 that matches the 5050 in both number of cores and identical bandwidth, whereas the 2070 super is only a match in core number.