Nvidia Disables PhysX in Presence of ATI GPU

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Even though I dont have one, what happens to early adopters of a physx dedicated card that are running with a AMD card? Do they get the shaft cause they were an early adopter?
 
Nvidia have just signed Physx death warrant, over the next couple of years expect Physx to go the way of the dinosaurs, Wifi max, Beta max and HD-DVD and be confined to the vaults of history.

HAVOK, Open CL and Directx 11 are all in line to replace PhysX which at the end of the day was never that successful anyway even with Nvidia backing it. The trouble for PhysX is that it lacks that killer title and has ended up being used a mire of average games like Unreal Tournament 3, Assassins Creed and Mirrors Edge.
 
hmmmmm nvidia do you want PhysX supported or not?

Programmers and Hackers - someone please write some sort of tool to allow it all to work so we can smear it in the green teams face

My next card looks to be ATi and this is just another supporting point for ATi aka for stats i wont have a PhysX supported system - such a shame

Intel - good luck with Havoc support, hope it turns out better then PhysX

So what about PhysX card owners???
 
Propriety PhysX on Nvidia will die a slow death just like other Propriety software and hardware before it. Develpoers do not want to commit to propriety design, they want open standards. DX11 DirectCompute is open standard as is OpenCL 1.0 and these standards will be adopted by Nvidia as well, so game designers will look into using these in thier games, no licence to pay to use the technology, and it will work on DX11 compatible hardware, not just Nvidia hardware.

What Nvidia need to do to really get PhysX mainstream is have ATI onboard using it or else it will die!
 
Another nail in the coffin of my NVidia support...

Their Market leader Pricing strategies
And now this PhysX intentional anti compatability...
(They should really activly be supporting cross compatability for existing and new customers - or are they worried their next Gen will be fairly crap and are trying to force brand loyalty through Exlusive features etc etc etc)

wonder how many bought a NVidia card just for this?
and with games like Batman Crippling the games effects without it so badly it is shamefully lazy to people without PhysX (Could Easily have been made pretty good without it too - all the other games manage nice effects without it)
 
what a bitch move

you already know ati is winning this round, yet you shoot yourselves in the other foot as well... i was actually considering picking up an nvidia card in the event physx bought something good to the table, but now i think i'll just waste my money on school books or something
 
as always, thats why nvidia sucks, stupid decisions like this to make them their hardware unique will not help them.

Go ATI all they got better stuff anyway. Nvidia can go hold hands with intel on the stupid decisions bench.
 
Uh, so for the people buying a nvidia AND an amd card to run physx even when they like AMD better, they can't?
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Nvidias math is fuxxed, buying a nvidia card even though you like AMD still earns Nvidia money..
 
Wow, nvidia really don't want physx to succeed, do they? If they wanted it to succeed they would would be working with AMD and Intel to have it widely supported on all platforms. Most game developers won't be interested in the technology until it has a wider adoption. Choices like this are shooting Physx in the foot.
 
I don't like when companies hurt the consumers this way, and this kind of practices is what made me totally avoid Intel. My money buys me hardware, but it also says what I like and what I don't. I guess the HD5870 must be really good and it hurt them. Nvidia: just make better products and don't be a bitch.
Ok after 4 Nvidia VGA cards in a row I guess my next VGA will be an AMD.
 
[citation][nom]supertrek32[/nom]PhysX will die out within 5 years or so. Why? There are free equivilents open to developers which are both easier to use and will be compatible with a larger customer base.Hmm... get PhysX, pay Nvidia a licensing fee, and make your game only run at its best for half your consumers, or use OpenCL for free and ensure everyone can use it. There's no reason any sane developer would opt for PhysX over OpenCL. Unless there's a major overhaul, PhysX is dead.[/citation]

I agree with you. With such few apps even using this feature, it's going to be gone soon.

[citation][nom]hixbot[/nom]Wow, nvidia really don't want physx to succeed, do they? If they wanted it to succeed they would would be working with AMD and Intel to have it widely supported on all platforms. Most game developers won't be interested in the technology until it has a wider adoption. Choices like this are shooting Physx in the foot.[/citation]

I dont think it was ever really intended for it to run with an ati card. It just happen that you could. With or without ati cards.



For all though that don't like that the switch, Well im sure you would of done the same thing to earn more money for a business. Why would you want your technology running with a competitor card? I know I wouldn't.
This is like saying AMD cut support for an intel cpu to run on there motherboards and viceversa. It wouldn't make scene of why there would be intel cpu on amd motherboard.

Physx like said is not a big thing. It only bring a slightly different look to games. If you don't belive me then look at this video on with and without it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luSAnouAFJs

Your better off getting these card for cuda more than running games.
 
It seems people have overlooked an easy workaround here.

It seems that support is only disabled from driver version 186.... Who needs the most up to date driver if you aren't rendering the graphics with it? Just roll back to the previous version.

Obviously if you buy a newer unsupported card for the older driver it won't work but all of the older set should still work just fine.

I agree its a bit petty and childish of nvidia. But they make their own bed. They will have to lie in it.

 
I don't feel pissed about this at all! Of course, I am running nVidia all the way.

And for those who don't know who is using Physx (and/or 3D Vision), here's one of them... Sad to see that I can run the latest great PC game - Batman - with all Physx effects AND 3D stereo on my 50" DLP and whoever have an ATI can't...

Oooh... that's right. ATI has DX11! What a shame not a single game uses it today though... And I wouldn't trade the 3D Stereo and Physx for that Eyefinity bullshit...

And when DX11 games arrives, I'll just get the newest nVidia card who will perform better than a 5870 and just keep being happy! Yes I will pay more for it, but there is always a price for performance...

Meanwhile, my GTX275 SLI + 8800GT for Physx will last until GT300 comes...
 
Makes for a good advertisement of OpenCL if you ask me...

Honestly nVidia should be happy that they still have one of their cards in the PC. I'm actually one of these people, I have my old 8800GTS in the system next to my 5870, I suppose there's no point in keeping the 8800 anymore.
 
I don't really understand this move at all.

Does this effect people with motherboards with integrated video chip sets as well?

Personally I have an Nvidia 8800GTX SLi setup on an Nvidia board w/AMD processor. To be honest while I have it enabled the number of QUALITY games that actually support GPU Physx that I have found is fairly small and in some the change from Physx to non-physx is almost indeterminable.

Actually in most of the games I play the change from DirectX 9 to DirectX 10 is far more of a useful change than Physx is. I suspect DirectX 11, direct compute and OpenCL will also be allot more useful.

What concerns me is if this effects other areas like CUDA in general and Tesla or professional products. If I was a university that had built up a mini-supercomputer using GPU's for processing power and just used the integrated graphics for video as it was a low concern and it suddenly stopped running one day after a driver update I'd be suing Nvidia for enough money to really, really , really make them regret such a move.
 
All that nVidia needs is a couple titles with awesome Physx effects and improved gameplay to get ahead of competition big time.

Can you imagine how the situation would look like if Crysis 3/Modern Warfare 2 or a WOW expansion would be using Physx technology very well?

Crysis was responsible for so many computer upgrades since it was launched and still is the beast to beat even in today's hardware.

A few great games can change this picture very fast. And I don't think nVidia does not know about this...
 
nvidia does it again - sound like the SLI pull of 3 years ago - nvidia is the worst company. try not to use their products and send them a message. anyone who has seen my crazy posts may have seen many of my complaints against nvidia - i am ati and intel supporter.
nvidia will get whats coming to them!

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You notice AMD never gets caught doing these IntelVidia style tactics...
 
GPU based physics acceleration, in nvidia's case PhysX, isn't just for gaming folks, scientific computing is a serious area of developing importance in the GPGPU market. If the GPU developer can enable hardware acceleration beyond what would run in software only by several orders of magnitude it is a key feature of their product offering, from desktop/gaming cards to professional cards. I hope ATI enables physics accleration via Direct Compute 11, Open CL, or maybe a SDK and drivers for Havok.
 
On the off chance anyone at nVidia is reading this, you can add me to the list of people who had plans to get a nVidia GPU to go with my ATI GPU just for PhysX, but you just lost that sale, and likely any future sale to me until this policy is reversed.
 
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