Nvidia GeForce GTX 900 Series MegaThread: FAQ and Resources

[junkeymonkey]

don't hold me to this cause I cant re-find the review to post along with this statement , but one review noticed that the card they were sent to test did not have the same bios as the card you buy and after reading that and thinking back now on all this I wonder how true any of the review benchmarks are holding true to what you were able to buy ???

so was the cards sent to be reviewed ''fixed'' to do better then what you would buy due to that bios ???

 

[Mousemonkey]

don't hold me to this cause I cant re-find the review to post along with this statement , but one review noticed that the card they were sent to test did not have the same bios as the card you buy and after reading that and thinking back now on all this I wonder how true any of the review benchmarks are holding true to what you were able to buy ???

so was the cards sent to be reviewed ''fixed'' to do better then what you would buy due to that bios ???

Without a link to the review in question your post comes across as hearsay.

 

[junkeymonkey]

I do expect that from you

 

[Mousemonkey]

I do expect that from you

And that's the sort of comeback I would expect from someone trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Where is the link to that review then?

 

[Eggz]

A quick Google pulled up something to that effect (text is linked):

OK guys it looks like the bios update has definitely did something, games such as shadow of mordor are now able to properly use more than 3.5GB of vram at max settings at 1080p. My Vram usage jumped to 3700 mb when i got into the larger cities and my fps did not drop as they did before, i remained in the high 70 fps range at max settings. IDK it could just be a placebo effect but the Vram usage cap has seem to be solved . . .

 

[Mousemonkey]

A quick Google pulled up something to that effect (text is linked):

OK guys it looks like the bios update has definitely did something, games such as shadow of mordor are now able to properly use more than 3.5GB of vram at max settings at 1080p. My Vram usage jumped to 3700 mb when i got into the larger cities and my fps did not drop as they did before, i remained in the high 70 fps range at max settings. IDK it could just be a placebo effect but the Vram usage cap has seem to be solved . . .

Thanks for that, I'm still trying to work out why people would/should/are getting upset over this though.

 

[Eggz]

Thanks for that, I'm still trying to work out why people would/should/are getting upset over this though.

No idea! Here is a very in depth article on it that ends like this:

Let’s be clear – the performance of the GTX 970 is what the performance is. This information is incredibly interesting and warrants some debate, but at the end of the day, my [positive] recommendations for the GTX 970 really won’t change at all. It still offers incredible performance for your dollar and is able to run at 4K in my experience and testing. Yes, there might in fact be specific instances where performance drops are more severe because of this memory hierarchy design, but I don’t think it changes the outlook for the card as a whole.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Thanks for that, I'm still trying to work out why people would/should/are getting upset over this though.

No idea! Here is a very in depth article on it that ends like this:

Let’s be clear – the performance of the GTX 970 is what the performance is. This information is incredibly interesting and warrants some debate, but at the end of the day, my [positive] recommendations for the GTX 970 really won’t change at all. It still offers incredible performance for your dollar and is able to run at 4K in my experience and testing. Yes, there might in fact be specific instances where performance drops are more severe because of this memory hierarchy design, but I don’t think it changes the outlook for the card as a whole.

That's one way of wording it! :lol: Very PR. My take on it is "What did you expect?" If you didn't or don't know/understand what the GTX970 is then either skip 28nm Maxwell or buy a 980.

 

[junkeymonkey]

only ones upset are the ones with the cards -- you just got what you paid for and that's all there is to it I said from day one the 970 was junk and Mousemonkey knows this cause he followes me around bashing

 

[Eggz]

That's one way of wording it! :lol: Very PR. My take on it is "What did you expect?" If you didn't or don't know/understand what the GTX970 is then either skip 28nm Maxwell or buy a 980.

Yeah, looking forward to GM210B!

only ones upset are the ones with the cards -- you just got what you paid for and that's all there is to it I said from day one the 970 was junk and Mousemonkey knows this cause he followes me around bashing

It's just an immature architecture, but I definately wouldn't call it junk. If I were in the market for a high-end GPU now but were unable to afford the 980, I'd probably go for the 970. It's still one of the best values out there, and it's nearly as fast as the fully-matured Kepler cards (e.g. 780 ti and Titan Black). Not too shabby if you ask me. That aside, I expect to continue being a bit disappointed by both Nvidia and AMD for playing "hide the ball" by not releasing its top-of-the line tech for consumer use. I'm sure they both have some VooDoo Magic chips that FAR OUTPACE even the 980 and R9 290X, but were just can't our hands on it. Whatever. That's just the word we live in.

 

[Mousemonkey]

only ones upset are the ones with the cards -- you just got what you paid for and that's all there is to it I said from day one the 970 was junk and Mousemonkey knows this cause he followes me around bashing

Of course I follow your "bashing", you're an AMD fan! :lol:

 

[Mousemonkey]

That's one way of wording it! :lol: Very PR. My take on it is "What did you expect?" If you didn't or don't know/understand what the GTX970 is then either skip 28nm Maxwell or buy a 980.

Yeah, looking forward to GM210B!

only ones upset are the ones with the cards -- you just got what you paid for and that's all there is to it I said from day one the 970 was junk and Mousemonkey knows this cause he followes me around bashing

It's just an immature architecture, but I definately wouldn't call it junk. If I were in the market for a high-end GPU now but were unable to afford the 980, I'd probably go for the 970. It's still one of the best values out there, and it's nearly as fast as the fully-matured Kepler cards (e.g. 780 ti and Titan Black). Not too shabby if you ask me. That aside, I expect to continue being a bit disappointed by both Nvidia and AMD for playing "hide the ball" by not releasing its top-of-the line tech for consumer use. I'm sure they both have some VooDoo Magic chips that FAR OUTPACE even the 980 and R9 290X, but were just can't our hands on it. Whatever. That's just the word we live in.

It was also intended for 20nm according to the road map's, that aside the 970 is not a 980 and those "bashing" it or calling it "junk" because of that are just showing their true colours as trolls or uneducated in the way of manufacturing.

 

[Eggz]

[[Those] calling it "junk" because of that are just showing their true colours as trolls or uneducated in the way of manufacturing.

Man, you two really have it out for eachother, don't you?!

 

[rubix_1011]

I'd be more than happy to test any of these 'yet-to-be-announced' cards that they have up their sleeves...AMD or Nvidia.

That being said...both have done this for years. Why release your best, currently available tech, when it can be branded as a new release later and you can sell a lower binned part now as flagship?

 

[Mousemonkey]

[[Those] calling it "junk" because of that are just showing their true colours as trolls or uneducated in the way of manufacturing.

Man, you two really have it out for eachother, don't you?!

I just see this as a non issue and I'm not the only one.

 

[wh3resmycar]

i HAD a gtx970 (zotac AMP! omega)last december, sold it because it was way too fast for dota2 @1080p and any 3 year old triple A title. turns out i have a bunch of games i haven't played on me old steam library.

i played mordor and contemporary games on it, RAM usage was around 2GB to 3gb because unlike any EPEEN obsessed folk out there in the 'nets, i used my actual eyes to check if going 4xAA upwards will yield better visual quality (@1080p), apparently it doesn't.

DSR'd 2xAA 1440p games looks better than 1080p with 8xAA, runs a bit faster too.

still had to sell it because it's way too fast for my needs. rocking a tiny 260x at the moment and most likely will wait for volta to hit the market.

 

[LightSwordM]

Or maybe for the r9 300s series.

 

[itzhalo]

 

[Mousemonkey]

And did AMD offer a refund to those that bought the cards that ran so hot that they had to throttle back and didn't run at their advertised clock speeds?

 

[wh3resmycar]

so what will you guys be replacing your gtx970 with?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Volta probably!

 

[iAboodz]

Most people who bought the 970 got it because it's cheap and it's really powerful. And for 1080p it's really a great card.

I'm not saying nvidia is right no they did a mistake. But it would be stupid to sell it or replace it or get a refund out of it now, at least wait for the driver update and then see if it actually bottlenecks your performance or not.. I don't think it will unless you go sli to play 4k :/

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

First off I hope I don't have to go into detail about why the VRAM is doing what it's doing, because I didn't see an explanation to everyone about it before.

To throw some information out there:

I have a Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming Edition paired with a 3570k @ 4.3 Ghz. I run all of my games on a VG248QE which is 144hz @ 1080p. The only game I have found to go beyond 3.5 GB is ArmA 3. In the game I rendered 130 AI Entities in the VR world at beyond Ultra settings with draw distance at 2500 m.

Otherwise, running 110 or less entities guaranteed at least 48 FPS, and less than 80 guaranteed at least 60 FPS.

 

[wh3resmycar]

290x price cuts

i'd laugh at the first dude who replaces his 970 with a 290/x.

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

290x price cuts

i'd laugh at the first dude who replaces his 970 with a 290/x.

Totally with you there, especially when this information and others like it is so accessible: http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-290X-vs-GeForce-GTX-970