News Nvidia 'Unlaunches' Poorly Named RTX 4080 12GB

[ikernelpro4]

For Apple? Yes. No one buying Apple products is doing it for the value or the technical specifications. They're buying a fashion item. Apple customers wear getting ripped off labels as a badge of honor. The more they spend on nothing, the prouder they are of themselves.

For everyone else, I never said they should be using such tactics. What I am saying, is it is up the consumer to do their homework. The more expensive the product, the more research they should do. Ignorance is not an excuse. Video cards are not a complicated purchase. Like I said, if you can't spend a few minutes reading through benchmark reviews, than the fault lies with you. There's nothing marketing can do to manipulate the benchmarks results and cost of the cards.

Ahh the innocent detached argument....

You and I might know but at least half of the customers don't.

Yes you read that right.

You have a completely false perception of the market.
Customers are stupid. Like REALLY loaf of bread level of stupid.
You'd be surprised to hear how depressingly few people extensively research before they purchase a product.
The only thing they know is "higher = better". Even people who are a tiny bit techy fall into that category. They have even put together a pc (assembly) but not researched benchmark scores or what really "Cuda|Tensor cores" or architectual differences are.

I bet most people are probably confused if you show them that the 4090 runs 100MHz slower than the 4̶0̶6̶0̶T̶i̶ 4080 12GB model...Again, you and I know what but the rest of the average and even a bit tech-interested person doesn't.

I would also love to live in that fantasy world where people do extensive research but that train left many decades ago with our factories, minds and jobs...

It doesn't matter, the 4̶0̶6̶0̶T̶i̶ 4080 12GB model is NOT an --80 card, PERIOD! Otherwise as Jay2Cents said perfectly, you'd essentially accept/normalise a 70 card for the price of an 80 one. 899€ for a terrible falsely marketed card? No. Nvidia would love to sell us a 60 card for 899€ if thry could get away with it.

People forget that back in the days you paid 899€ for the entire setup, not just one component

 

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I would also love to live in that fantasy world where people do extensive research but that train left many decades ago with our factories, minds and jobs...

Luxury items aren't a thing people who can afford them want to put much rational thought into, otherwise they'd skip most luxuries. Commodities aren't things normal people want to put much thought into either since they already have a bunch of other more important things to worry about in their daily life.

 

[spongiemaster]

Ahh the innocent detached argument....

You and I might know but at least half of the customers don't.

Yes you read that right.

You have a completely false perception of the market.
Customers are stupid. Like REALLY loaf of bread level of stupid.
You'd be surprised to hear how depressingly few people extensively research before they purchase a product.

You've misread my post. I wasn't saying what people do. I was saying what people should do. And my overall point is that if you don't do that minimal amount of research then I have no sympathy for you getting ripped off. Deceptive marketing or not.

People forget that back in the days you paid 899€ for the entire setup, not just one component

People who say this are the ones who have forgotten how much halo builds have almost always cost. I doubt 899€, even without adjusting for inflation, has been a reasonable price ceiling for a halo gaming build, not including a display, going all the way back the 3dfx SLI builds in the 1990's. Adjusting for inflation, you don't have a prayer in hell of keeping a halo build below that cost at any point over the last 25 years.

 

[ikernelpro4]

You've misread my post. I wasn't saying what people do. I was saying what people should do. And my overall point is that if you don't do that minimal amount of research then I have no sympathy for you getting ripped off. Deceptive marketing or not.


People who say this are the ones who have forgotten how much halo builds have almost always cost. I doubt 899€, even without adjusting for inflation, has been a reasonable price ceiling for a halo gaming build, not including a display, going all the way back the 3dfx SLI builds in the 1990's. Adjusting for inflation, you don't have a prayer in hell of keeping a halo build below that cost at any point over the last 25 years.

"What people should do" is not an argument.

I wish people would clean up behind them and not act like jack@. but that's just wishful thinking.

So what you're saying is that if a customer isn't spending exorbitant amount of time to look up things they have barely any idea of, that they should just get ripped off by VERY MANIPULATIVE marketing.

Don't pretend that you look up everything, you go to the market and throw things into your cart. You don't look a single thing up. Period.

Just because it's GPUs and more expensive doesn't mean that Nvidia can just lie.

The 4080 12GB is NOT a 4080. The amount of cuda cores is a joke and 30% difference or something like that compared to the 4080 16GB model.

Can you seriously not see what NVIDIA is trying to do? Sell a 4060 Ti/4070 lite as a 4080 for the high price of a 4080.

Nobody would ever pay almost 1000€ for a 4070, so they lie and create a new standard for next gens. So it is both in your and my interest to protect stupid consumers to prevent Nvidia from future selling 60ti | at best 70 lite cards for the price (and name) of an 80 card.

We are thinking alike, I also hate that consumers are spending more time smoking their lungs dead than research an expensive product but preventing them from buying manipulative <Mod Edit> by shaming/attacking the producer of said expensive product is MUCH easier and effective than change the entire education and social system.

This in turn, as described before with preventing nvidia from selling next gen 60ti's for the price and NOT the performance of an 80 card, is good for us educated consuners.