I'm wondering though how NV will time their driver releases and gamers will optimize games. If you think about it, from a profitability POV, currently NV shouldn't release super optimized drivers yet so that they have a trick up their sleaves. Then when the new Ati card comes out, if it really kicks ass, NV will release the super drivers. However, let's say the two cards compete nicely/ NV wins by a bit, then they may further save that boost for a little later should Ati release something new faster than NV can. In a sense, we may be relying on Ati for max 6800U performance! (or I could be totally talking out of my ass, choose one)
Opinions?
I think you may have a great point. Its very clear that the review drivers were not very well optimized. They didnt get to do the video/multimedia chip at all so they put nearly all their attention on 3d performance.
But I would wager that since they apparantly barely got that done and didnt even touch the video chip, theres still plenty of room for optimization as you predict.
I think for sure theres plenty of room for improvement as far as DX9 shader performance is concerned.
But I think you are correct in that we are relying on ATI for max 6800 Ultra performance. Not many companies go beyond minimum requirements and expectations (ATI), and some go far beyond (NV) and it is always obvious when you use the products which has that extra "love" put into them.
What I'm essentially saying is that without challenge, ATI would be much worse.
Look who has benefited from the last two years the most?
Without a doubt in my mind, ATI.
They were abysmal (compared to NV) previous to their work on the Catalysts and the beneficial engineering can mostly be cued up to the ArtX aquisition IMO.
The 6800 is also quite a gift from the competition.
As far as technology and speed is concerned, I'd wager (and have been stating rather loudly) that NV has given us the single biggest boon ever with it. Not to mention having about equal or better IQ than ATI now.
As far as company improvements, ATI has benefited the most.
NV on the other hand, operates like a ruthless machine and did many shameful decisions.
Not that the Quack 3 issue was not equivalent and that IQ hacks do not exist in present ATI drivers.. they do, always have and always will.
In theory, perfect "most supreme" IQ would result in 0FPS.
Trade offs MUST be made in favor of other things.
Hence my dismissal of the entire issue, its all about where you draw the line.
But when you argue in favor of ATI thats really all you have.
I chose to build up ATI for their performance, not attempt to tear down Nvidia like this forum did.
Doing it like many in this forum does, really makes it appear as they are attempting to drag DOWN NV to ATI's level.
They really had me convinced for two years, that this was the necessary situation to boost ATI.
Hence now, I am a bit more dismissive of ATI than I wouldve been if not presented with such negativity.
The personal attacks only FURTHER my resolve to beat the truth into their small, indignant heads.
Back on subject, I do think that theres a crapload of performance held within the NV40 still, most will be unleashed on the advanced X800XT launch as it will present the most battle for the NV40.
But if you were to ask me, I think the NV40 has a great chance of wasting it as well.
But it really sets ATI back as they will likely remain a day late.. the X800XT release advance is a telling tale as ATI knows more than we do.
Not only is there alot left in the NV40, but NV has traditionally maxed out their architechures. I remember back in the day the NV15 operating at the highest effiecency according to Anandtech.. besides the Kyro2 of course but only due to its tile based rendering architechure (the only way to get 100% efficiency to my knowledge).
Only topped by the
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