Nvidia's in trouble

[grieve]

lol I planned on getting two GTX (eventually) and at the time i purchased at my local store they didn’t have anything 700+. I am guilty of impatience.


**edit**
If i could i would have got this, which is still a little overkill.
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Black) EPS12V 750W Power Supply - Retail

 

[homerdog]

[quotemsg=6572172,22,154240]And "not worth it" due to it costing a third more.[/quotemsg]
And the defensive fanboy award for this week goes to...

By the way, you're probably right

 

[firebird]

As I've owned ATI cards for the past few years, (actually, never owned Nvidia) I don't know how often they release new drivers. Can anyone enlighten me? Sometimes I'm amazed at how often ATI drivers are released (premature product or excellet software team?) and like to think of that as a good thing. I think that is a good reason why the 3800 series of cards will get better, hopefully (since I own a 3870x2) the CrossfireX will be as good as it is supposed to be.

It would be great if Nvidia would get their smaller dies more mainstream and re-think their dual gpu implementation (won't they learn?) they would be far and away the best video card manufacturer.

 

[homerdog]

[quotemsg=6572184,28,51284]As I've owned ATI cards for the past few years, (actually, never owned Nvidia) I don't know how often they release new drivers. Can anyone enlighten me?[/quotemsg]
Nvidia's driver release schedule is nowhere near as regular as ATI's. It isn't a case of "if it ain't broke" either. This is one area where Nvidia needs to really step its game up.

I commend ATI on its timely driver releases, but better drivers will only take them so far; they need better cards.

 

[Game_boy]

Not one post has yet examined all of my points yet. Please criticise all of them if you feel Nvidia is not in trouble.

 

[LukeBird]

[quotemsg=6572142,8,150022]The 9800GX2, a single card by any definition, WILL beat a single HD3870 X2.
[/quotemsg]
That's a mighty interesting comment considering this reply -

"How on earth do you know the 9 series spec if it hasnt been released by nVidia yet you plank?"

by you, a few replies above.
So, you're just manipulating the figures (what figures?!?!) to justify your argument.
Before you start slanging into someone else, remember what you've said....

 

[LukeBird]

[quotemsg=6572160,18,150022]Oh here he goes again, comparing a card that's been released about 30 days to one that's been around over 300![/quotemsg]
So there is a time frame over which a card can be better than another, is there...??

 

[LukeBird]

[quotemsg=6572190,30,154240]Not one post has yet examined all of my points yet. Please criticise all of them if you feel Nvidia is not in trouble.[/quotemsg]
I agree with several points you made (and I have my fireproof coat on all the time now, on the TH forums! :lol: ).
Just looking at PREDICTED performance, so it is my OPINION and not fact, I reckon that by the time the 9800GX2 is released, the drivers on the 3870X2 will be pretty good and the gap won't be enormous, I do though think the crown will go back to Nvidia.
But supposedly not long after the 9800GX2 release (2 months or so) there are rumours the 4xxx series will be released and I reckon that will take back the crown (in 4870X2 form).

Oh and guys, you have to get off this 'fastest single-card' bollocks, that's fanboy crap if I ever heard it! Nvidia are releasing a dual-card (albeit, in my opinion, not as good a design as ATi) so that argument has absolutely no weight!

 

[firebird]

Ok, to get back on topic, I think Nvidia is going to have to re-think their position on the Nforce chipset. What are the advatages of going with an Nforce chipset over an Intel? Maybe support for 3 way SLI? Which is only going to affect a small number of us enthusiast users. Going with an Intel chipset lets me choose my graphics card in either SLI or Xfire. So from that point of view, unless I'm dead set on an Geforce and the Nforce gives better performance than the Intel, I'm more likely to buy Intel.

I'm not sure if they have to worry yet in the professional graphics area yet. How ofter does a new GPU come out that tips the tables? Maybe they aren't the best right now, but when you consider the future they are just as viable as ATI/AMD.

 

[grieve]

[quotemsg=6572208,34,51284]Going with an Intel chipset lets me choose my graphics card in either SLI or Xfire. [/quotemsg]

im learning all sorts of new stuff on this tread!
X48 can Sli? every board i looked at was crossfire.

 

[hannibal]

Well Nvidia don't have to make better card than tweaked 8800 GTS, because they are good enough for them.
They can play wait game with theis g200 gpu. If and when ATI prings something better (say 700 series), they will pring their next real new card.
It cheaper to sell allready tested product than take the leap to unknown.

Thats's why competition is so important! as I and many other people in this forum has said before. It keeps the development going on.
Ofcource we allso have to remember, that even for Nvidia it's very expensive to develop new gpu. It's not possile to take big leaps everytime.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I agree that nVidia may have to come to some harsh decisions.I hope the GTX will be a monster, but Im not so sure it will, and if speculation precedes reality, then from what we all have read sofar, the GTX will be about 15% faster than the old GTX and the XT will be 50% faster than the 3870. Sounds like a tight race to me. Just my HO

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Also, consider this. If Intel decides to not allow support for their chipsets to either ATI or nVidia, then I think nVidia has a severe problem. Intel enetering the race will cause nVidia problems as well as ATI. Dont think that nVidia will be only competing against ATI. So, sadly it MAY come down to resources. Just as the Athlon64 was a better product than the P4, AMD didnt do as well as expected. Can nVidia expect more? And will Intels solution be inferior? If it comes down to being exclusive (same manufacturer, same platform) nVidias in for a tough time

 

[skittle]

Crysis says that Nvidia is the way its meant to be played! ATI is not. End of story!

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

And with the resources that Intel has, do you think theyll just sit by and let nVidia get the first try at new games?

 

[jerseygamer]

[quotemsg=6572139,6,47764]Ok, perhaps I need to check up on some benchmarks for that card. So I can give you that..

Now consider this...

It took ATI 2 chips on one card to beat out Nvidia with a single chip on its card...

What happens when Nvidia comes out with the 8800gt2(x2)??? Or 2 chips on one board? ( I couldnt quit figure out how to type that.. I hope Nvidia is more inventive than me..)[/quotemsg]

And it still doesnt support DX10.1..... I wish MS would release more info on DX10.1 already. Its a MAJOR player coming up soon.

 

[San Pedro]

I wouldn't worry about nvidia they make great graphics cards. They have market dominance (if you don't count integrated) for graphics cards and are fighting to keep it with very competitively priced solutions.

 

[hairycat101]

First off... Whoever said "flame on" was right! Second, CF does seem to scale better then SLI. If this is inaccurate, please give links. Also, frames per second is not everything. ATI has some darn good image quality. I will say this though about the image quality, DX10 is supposed to even that out a little more.

 

[Paul_gren]

i believe the money is in the mainstream. How many pc owners have the best of the best?

like 5%?

 

[dev1se]

more like 1%....

All i want is a card now that'll power crysis at ultra high with 40FPS... I dont care if its ATi or nvidia's aslong as it gets the job done.

A single card that is.

I dont wanna spend 100% more on an extra card that'll only give me 20% more performance in the game that matters most.

 

[grieve]

[quotemsg=6572242,45,150022]more like 1%....

All i want is a card now that'll power crysis at ultra high with 40FPS... I dont care if its ATi or nvidia's aslong as it gets the job done.

A single card that is.

I dont wanna spend 100% more on an extra card that'll only give me 20% more performance in the game that matters most.[/quotemsg]

Agreed, very good point.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Like Fusion or Larrabee? nVidia needs something to get to where ATI and Intel is heading. Im hoping it happens, as I think 3 competitors better than 2

 

[coltezeu]

[quotemsg=6572136,5,154240]No; the HD3870X2, a single card by any definition, beats a single 8800GTS-G92, 8800Ultra or 9600GT.[/quotemsg]
thats a x2 card idiot .. if youre gonna compare 3870x2 with an single card then youre far out.
you have to compare it with 9800GX2 or 29600GTs in sli because they will kick the **** out of the 3870x2 and thyre like 90$ cheaper

 

[jakemo136]

Wow... I've never seen so many quick-to-the-trigger fanboys in one forum.

1) Crysis is OBVIOUSLY the final say in who's card is better than who's.

2) It OBVIOUSLY doesn't matter than Crossfire (and CrossfireX) scale better than SLi

3) The fact that nVidia can take one GPU and clock it at 14 different speeds over two series of cards while ATi actually has different GPUs in each series OBVIOUSLY means that nVidia is more creative and better technology.

Lol... fl4m1n l33t n00b p0wnx0r hax0r fanb0yz

 

[coltezeu]

[quotemsg=6572157,16,154240]http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ATI-HD-3870,review-30103-12.html

HD3870X2 (one card) > 8800Ultra (one card)[/quotemsg]
idiot its called x2 because it has 2 processors incorporated on it .. comparing the 3870x2 with a single processing unit card is stupid.