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Robert M. wrote:

> I just firmly believe advertised plans would serve SprintPCS better as
> it attempts to retain customers.
>
> Of course a total revamp of its billing and CSR procedures would also
> help.

I would be interested in knowing (no idea if such a study exists) the
number of people that take the trouble to get rate plan sheets or look
online or at other print and tv media versus just calling customer
service when it's time to change plans.
-mike
 
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In article <s5zhc.5452$e4.2732@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Mike <spamtrap@zbuffer.com> wrote:

> Robert M. wrote:
>
> > Only by your definition.
>
> As we've established that the plans are unpublished, and we've
> established that unpublished does not mean secret,

No you defined it as such. I respectfully disagree.
 

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Robert M. wrote:

> No you defined it as such. I respectfully disagree.

I would say that others defined it as such, but if you wish to maintain
a position so untenable as to require redefining a common english word,
I can only admit to being disappointed.
-mike
 
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In article <Vmzhc.3778$eZ5.2519@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Mike <spamtrap@zbuffer.com> wrote:

> Robert M. wrote:
>
> > No you defined it as such. I respectfully disagree.
>
> I would say that others defined it as such, but if you wish to maintain
> a position so untenable as to require redefining a common english word,
> I can only admit to being disappointed.

I would submit you are the one with the unique definiton.
 
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In article <gVzhc.3808$eZ5.936@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Mike <spamtrap@zbuffer.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking bigger picture, actually.

Yes me, too. Folks here know about Retention, the rest of the free world
doesn't. It's a secret.
 

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Robert M. wrote:

> Yes me, too. Folks here know about Retention, the rest of the free world
> doesn't. It's a secret.

"A secret?" Honestly, that's beneath you. Not your best work. :)

Ever consider an evangelical journey educating the aboriginal peoples of
the free world rather than preaching to the choir?
-mike
 
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In article <H5Ahc.3846$eZ5.2198@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Mike <spamtrap@zbuffer.com> wrote:

> Robert M. wrote:
>
> > Yes me, too. Folks here know about Retention, the rest of the free world
> > doesn't. It's a secret.
>
> "A secret?" Honestly, that's beneath you. Not your best work. :)
>
> Ever consider an evangelical journey educating the aboriginal peoples of
> the free world rather than preaching to the choir?

When some Jehovah's Witnesses rang my door bell and told me Jesus wants
me to hear the Bible passages they wanted to read with me, I reminded
them that Bin Laden also thinks he speaks for God.
 

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Robert M. wrote:

> When some Jehovah's Witnesses rang my door bell and told me Jesus wants
> me to hear the Bible passages they wanted to read with me, I reminded
> them that Bin Laden also thinks he speaks for God.

Good one. :)
-mike
 
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Mike wrote:
> Robert M. wrote:
>
>> In article <pCxhc.5321$e4.473@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> Mike <spamtrap@zbuffer.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Robert M. wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <3Dwhc.5180$e4.3251@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>>>> Mike <spamtrap@zbuffer.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> SprintPCS secret Retention deals
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They're not secret. They're also not advertised
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Duhh. Then they are secret.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Advertised" is not the opposite of "secret."
>>
>>
>>
>> But unadvertised is the same as secret for most SprintPCS customers.
>
>
> So, what should those that read your posts do, now that they know that
> Sprint PCS has non-secret retention deals? Should we leave Sprint
> because they're so sinister for having these non-secret deals? Granted,
> it's good to know that savings are available, but your posts make these
> deals sound like some shady dealings by an underhanded wireless
> provider. I sure think you have a cause, because each time you mention
> these things, you write them as if they're important, but I just can't
> understand what the big deal is.
> -mike
>

My question for Phil is , can you name a carrier that DOES advertise
it's retention plans ?
Not there isn't one , but I haven't heard of it.

Jim
 
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In article <rmarkoff-D3A320.05495021042004
@news02.east.earthlink.net>, rmarkoff@msn.com says...
> Here is where O/siris confessed to giving out 2 year Advantage
> Agreements improperly forever up until March 23.
>

That is NOT what I said, Phillie. But, of course, you're just too
slimy of a person to admit it.

--
RØß
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them
 
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In article <rmarkoff-2C4587.10013621042004
@news05.east.earthlink.net>, rmarkoff@msn.com says...
> In article <1Uvhc.5158$e4.4390@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Mike <spamtrap@zbuffer.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > What should I and the rest of the newsgroup do about it?
>
>
> Not asking you to do anything. "O" asked me to prove he had said he was
> wrong about giving 2 year contracts to everyone, and I posted the proof.
>

No, you've posted the *refutation* of your claim. Not the proof of
it. Nowhere in that post do I say 2-year Advantage Agreements are
required. Nor do I say I told customers they were.

0 for 2, Phillie. You can apologize any day now. But you'd have to
grow some honesty first. And you stomp that out before it even has a
chance to take root.

--
RØß
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them
 
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In article <rOadnRO-6cB0cRvdRVn-gQ@lmi.net>, sjsobol@JustThe.net
says...
> Robert M. <rmarkoff@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I basically see Rob as overly loyal to his employer. He would get called
> > on incorrect posts for his former employer also.
>
> Oh, really. And who would this former employer be, and can you give Message-IDs
> that we can look up on Google?
>
> **SJ "Not holding my breath for an answer" S
>
>
>

He claims I worked for AT&T Broadband because I've posted in those
groups. I'd love to see who he thinks I worked for that I post to
24hr.support.helpdesk.

--
RØß
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them
 
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In article <3azhc.5458$e4.2317@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
spamtrap@zbuffer.com says...
> Robert M. wrote:
>
> > I just firmly believe advertised plans would serve SprintPCS better as
> > it attempts to retain customers.
> >
> > Of course a total revamp of its billing and CSR procedures would also
> > help.
>
> I would be interested in knowing (no idea if such a study exists) the
> number of people that take the trouble to get rate plan sheets or look
> online or at other print and tv media versus just calling customer
> service when it's time to change plans.
> -mike
>
>

This is, pretty obviously, unscientific, but I get at least three
calls a night from customers who have no idea what our current
advertised plans are.

Almost every industry provides a level of service over and above
advertised. From casinos, to banks, to auto dealers, and, yes, to
wireless providers.

--
RØß
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them
 
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In article <2e9cbb9db136cb46ee2e3e7c664f3ee8@news.teranews.com>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote:

> In article <rmarkoff-D3A320.05495021042004
> @news02.east.earthlink.net>, rmarkoff@msn.com says...
> > Here is where O/siris confessed to giving out 2 year Advantage
> > Agreements improperly forever up until March 23.
> >
>
> That is NOT what I said, Phillie. But, of course, you're just too
> slimy of a person to admit it.

Its exactly what you said.

From: O/Siris (0srs@sprntpcs.cm)
Subject: Re: Plan Upgrade
Newsgroups: alt.cellular.sprintpcs
Date: 2004-03-23 02:13:36 PST

In article <Egh6c.27332$%06.23835
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Bob
Smithusirsclt No Spam @earthlink.net says...
> I checked it both ways, as a new customer, or as a current customer for m y
> zip code for the $65/mo. plan. As a new customer, I could select not goin g
> on an AA by paying $10 more a month.
>
> As a current customer, and changing plans through my manage page, there w as
> no comment about needing to extend my AA, unless I was going to take the
> 7:00 N & W option.
>
> Bob
>

This has been a *very* interesting question. And I wonder
just how much this newsgroup spawned this little debate. I
had a woman challenge me on this tonight. So I had the
PERFECT opportunity to find out, once and for all. And,
wouldn't you know? I found out. Much to my chagrin:

I found the following question answered in our procedures
database:
"Can an existing Individual Purchased customer swap service
plans without needing to renew their contract?
Impact of Service Plan swaps to Contract Plans on
Individual Purchased accounts.
LOBs: Business Services"

Now, this is, once again, specifying Business Accounts.
Still, I would imagine, in this case, that Consumer
Accounts are much the same. And the answer?

It turns out that a plan change does not require a new
Advantage Agreement if 3 conditions all prove true:

1. The customer is eligible for the new service plan,
AND
2. The new plan is in the same family of plans as the
existing service plan (for example, switching from one Free
and Clear service plan to another Free and Clear plan), AND
3. The new plan does not require the current service
contract to be renewed. See related solutions for the
specific plan the customer wants to switch to for details.

That "family of plans" condition seems to me to be the most
complicated condition. Remember when F&CA was sold as its
own family? Now moving to a plan where it's just an add-on
means renewing the Advantage Agreement.

Anyway, complications aside, I was wrong. I guess I've
been able to get away with justifying the new agreements
all this time. Like 2 year Advantage Agreements for the
7PM option, or PCS2PCS. Stuff like that. This woman
tonight wanted none of that, and she was right.
 
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In article <678f3434f6043b396d0fd54d89b4d796@news.teranews.com>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote:

> In article <rmarkoff-2C4587.10013621042004
> @news05.east.earthlink.net>, rmarkoff@msn.com says...
> > In article <1Uvhc.5158$e4.4390@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > Mike <spamtrap@zbuffer.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > What should I and the rest of the newsgroup do about it?
> >
> >
> > Not asking you to do anything. "O" asked me to prove he had said he was
> > wrong about giving 2 year contracts to everyone, and I posted the proof.
> >
>
> No, you've posted the *refutation* of your claim. Not the proof of
> it. Nowhere in that post do I say 2-year Advantage Agreements are
> required. Nor do I say I told customers they were.

WRONG:

From: O/Siris (0srs@sprntpcs.cm)
Subject: Re: Plan Upgrade
Newsgroups: alt.cellular.sprintpcs
Date: 2004-03-23 02:13:36 PST

In article <Egh6c.27332$%06.23835
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Bob
Smithusirsclt No Spam @earthlink.net says...
> I checked it both ways, as a new customer, or as a current customer for m y
> zip code for the $65/mo. plan. As a new customer, I could select not goin g
> on an AA by paying $10 more a month.
>
> As a current customer, and changing plans through my manage page, there w as
> no comment about needing to extend my AA, unless I was going to take the
> 7:00 N & W option.
>
> Bob
>

This has been a *very* interesting question. And I wonder
just how much this newsgroup spawned this little debate. I
had a woman challenge me on this tonight. So I had the
PERFECT opportunity to find out, once and for all. And,
wouldn't you know? I found out. Much to my chagrin:

I found the following question answered in our procedures
database:
"Can an existing Individual Purchased customer swap service
plans without needing to renew their contract?
Impact of Service Plan swaps to Contract Plans on
Individual Purchased accounts.
LOBs: Business Services"

Now, this is, once again, specifying Business Accounts.
Still, I would imagine, in this case, that Consumer
Accounts are much the same. And the answer?

It turns out that a plan change does not require a new
Advantage Agreement if 3 conditions all prove true:

1. The customer is eligible for the new service plan,
AND
2. The new plan is in the same family of plans as the
existing service plan (for example, switching from one Free
and Clear service plan to another Free and Clear plan), AND
3. The new plan does not require the current service
contract to be renewed. See related solutions for the
specific plan the customer wants to switch to for details.

That "family of plans" condition seems to me to be the most
complicated condition. Remember when F&CA was sold as its
own family? Now moving to a plan where it's just an add-on
means renewing the Advantage Agreement.

Anyway, complications aside, I was wrong. I guess I've
been able to get away with justifying the new agreements
all this time. Like 2 year Advantage Agreements for the
7PM option, or PCS2PCS. Stuff like that. This woman
tonight wanted none of that, and she was right.
 
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In article <a2df91c495b92b38007b31cd44da8b9f@news.teranews.com>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote:

>
> He claims I worked for AT&T Broadband because I've posted in those
> groups. I'd love to see who he thinks I worked for that I post to
> 24hr.support.helpdesk.

Make sure you mislead people.

We both know its " 24hrsupport.helpdesk "