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[citation][nom]RADIO_ACTIVE[/nom]Geat, now if we could just get them to pay their State taxes instead of skirting the laws by using States that have weak tax laws. Then maybe California wouldn't be in a budget crysis all the time.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/ [...] wanted=all[/citation]

Obama supporters always leave out the number of jobs lost since 2008. Let's just show half the picture huh?
 

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[citation][nom]edogawa[/nom]You didn't get my point... I'd rather pay slightly higher costs if it means Americans get jobs.[/citation]

The only reason people in the west generally can 'compete' with Asia is because of taxes on those goods. I'd much rather have them dropped and save a lot of money. Why should I have to pay more because of this inability to compete?
 

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[citation][nom]blubbey[/nom]Why? Match or beat the competition, if you can't quit moaning. It's not the company's fault east Asia is better for business.[/citation]

because you cant live on minimum wage without government assistance, basically forcing us to pay for them.

like wallmart, they can afford to give a living wage, but don't so tax payers have to support wallmart employees, giving wallmart more money while we pay the bill.

[citation][nom]instinctgone[/nom]Obama supporters always leave out the number of jobs lost since 2008. Let's just show half the picture huh?[/citation]

mostly because the economy tanked from having a surplus with clinton, to a massive defisit with bush, and obamas first term was mostly trying to get the economy to work again... not something that's easy to do.

that said, i look at obama as even more conservative than bush in everything but social issues, i dont like him but between him and romney... he was the better choice.
 

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lol choosing between Romney and Obama was great. They had no discernable difference in how they governed. It made picking a 3rd party that much easier.
 

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[citation][nom]Kami3k[/nom]And? China is a new market that is also 1000s of miles away from any of their current factories because of a thing called a ocean.Far better to build factories in China if you are going to sell those products in China.[/citation]

Why the double standard! Why is it OK for us to by from their factories? Far better to build factories in the U.S.A. if you are going to sell those products in China. You are using the excuses businesses used in the 90's when they first moved production to China.
 

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[citation][nom]edogawa[/nom]I'd rather pay 5% more on goods if they are made in the U.S, we really need to become less reliant on other countries for our goods.[/citation]

How about 6%? Why not 7%? Where do you draw the line?
 

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[citation][nom]kanoobie[/nom]How about we get a tax break for buying products made in the United States? Call it a stimulus package.[/citation]

That's called protectionism. It was the major reason that caused the Great Depression. Nations started to give tax breaks to their own products, or increase taxes on foreign products to stimulate domestic production. Trade slowed down. Products became expensive. People had less spending money due to buying more expensive domestic products. Domestic companies started to layoff workers due to weaker demand...etc etc.

Trade wars are bad. Protectionism is bad. Read up on the real cause of the Great Depression.
 

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[citation][nom]edogawa[/nom]You didn't get my point... I'd rather pay slightly higher costs if it means Americans get jobs.[/citation]

Question for you: if you pay higher cost to buy the items made in America, that means you have less money left. You either have to make up that cost by cutting back on savings or cutting back on other spendings. Cutting back on other spendings mean someone else isn't getting your money. It could be a waiter's tip, or a plumber fixing your toilet, or that summer trip for the family to Disneyland.

Do you see where this is going?
 

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[citation][nom]edogawa[/nom]I'd rather pay 5% more on goods if they are made in the U.S, we really need to become less reliant on other countries for our goods.[/citation]I'd rather have USD drop 5% than paying 5% more from my pocket.

Seriously if US GOV want get factories setup in USA, they should have start on the currency, It work on China and most Asian countries, it should work in USA
 

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I say if you can not have your product made cheaply in home country, why not use that great R&D and bring machines and robots etc.?
Better have 100 peple in factory in home country than 1000+ people in outsourced factory.
 

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[citation][nom]sundragon[/nom]Like Buick, it's considered a luxury brand in China - Kudos to American cars having Mercedes/BMW status there[/citation]


how many chinese can afford to buy them as well as have a place to park those boats? about as many of them as of us that can afford our own learjet.

[citation][nom]Wisecracker[/nom]Psssst ....Don't let silly things like facts get in the way of your rant. Jan 1, 2001, Manufacturing Jobs: 17+ millionJan 1, 2009, Manufacturing Jobs: 12 millionSince the end of the Great Recession, manufacturing jobs have returned to a near total of 12 million in the United States after bottoming at 11.46 million according to the Bureau of Labor StatisticsThanks for playing![/citation]

i love this chart, it perfectly displays how many jobs were lost due to pot smoker 'slippery willy' clinton's sponsorship of china into the WTO and PNTR with China trade deal he made as his final year of presidency. a 2 million job exodse in the first 2 years alone!

another thing i love about this jobs chart is it doesn't show where the jobs pay rates have shifted as most of the jobs are now at burger flipping wages of $11,000-$17,000 instead of the good paying jobs of $30,000-$50,000.


the department of labor is saying that 90% of the jobs in manufacturing and warehousing will be robotic systems maintenance as they expect most of the work force to be replaced by robots by 2020.

it's too bad this chart doesn't extend back 30 years or to a few years before NAFTA when you can see the 2 million job loss from that trade deal.

that chart only shows that trend as there are over 4 million less jobs from the beginning of the chart to the end and is consistent with the decline of jobs in the same field in china for the same reasons. foxconn is a prime example as most working age chinese are already contracted and factories are having to automate more and more of their processes. also the labor departments unemployment records show no unemployment erasure in those 250,000 so called new jobs vs IRS figures that show a continuing and alarming trend of the growth of long term unemployed and mass decline is america tax payers as well as CBO figures which show more of the people that were claiming unemployment were going off unemployment because they no longer qualified for unemployment benefits. 12,310,XXX on unemployment still and 22,38X,XXX actual unemployed people exempt from paying taxes due to lack of jobs. there are only 113,XXX,XXX tax payers for 2012 on the books supporting a population of 315,XXX,XXX. now you know why NObamacare was forced on you, the government is broke and can't afford the $773,XXX,XXX in payments it had for 2012 let alone the $16,177,XXX,XXX,XXX trillion in social security it will have to pay in which surprise surprise president johnson authorized congress to use to spend on other things and is now an empty account full of Congress OWE U's. medicaid is in $21.4 trillion liability owed to it. medicare is an $85.12 trillion dollar liability. total payments for both medicaid and medicare for 2012 totaled over $2.4 trillion dollars.
and to top it off 1/2 of the 113 million work force is retiring in the next 10 years (the baby boomer generation).
who is going to pay for all of that!
the jobs that won't be eliminated by robots will be filled by people who aren't being paid as much as the boomer who retired, and with the work ethic i see most americans have today it's going to take 2 or 3 to replace that boomer which no sane company is going to spend 3 times as much on getting the job one person used to do done. from what i have seen companies are consolidating 3 jobs into 1 instead unless they can outsource the work to some place and somebody who will do it for 1/3 or less of the cost as the 1 american. also the home foreclosure rate is growing over the record setting 1 million foreclosures of 2011. 2013 the foreclosure rate has increased over 2012 which was record setting and official totals are still being tallied.

as far as what NObama says and what he does are two different things. his actions have always been duplicitous of his words. he congratulated apple for climbing to the top of most valuable company as the perfect example of american corporate success. the only thing apple has in america is it's headquarters with only the highest executive offices.
 

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The economy we have today is all based on debt and money printing.

Anyone with a brain knows this...

And that doesn't include Bush\Romney\Obama supporters.

When interest rates rise, we can't even pay the interest on the debt we owe.

The only way we pay our creditors back is with borrowed money.

Ponzi Scheme on an epic scale.
 

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[citation][nom]rush21hit[/nom]And the corporations rather have your voluntary 5% to get another 10% profit by still doing it elsewhere.Indeed, doing mass product on US is generally much more expensive than China. Salary, resources, taxes, you name it. Also, they'd have no problems with planet loving lunatics. In China, they pretty much dump their waste anywhere and nobody cares. Look at Shanghai's air!! Jesus Christ! And people live there?So, even if they did made it to homeland, I don't think it's gonna be huge part of their entire operations. Not as big as it was on China, at least.Still, too many unemployed people, too few job opportunities. Even with them who already has a job, they still can get their ass kicked if the company said so, regardless of their loyalty and their contribution.Welcome to capitalism.[/citation]

When the government sets interest rates, insures bank deposits thru FDIC, and regulates just about everything...

That is NOT capitalism.

We are closer to a mix of socialism and fascism if anything.
 

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[citation][nom]blurr91[/nom]That's called protectionism. It was the major reason that caused the Great Depression. Nations started to give tax breaks to their own products, or increase taxes on foreign products to stimulate domestic production. Trade slowed down. Products became expensive. People had less spending money due to buying more expensive domestic products. Domestic companies started to layoff workers due to weaker demand...etc etc.Trade wars are bad. Protectionism is bad. Read up on the real cause of the Great Depression.[/citation]
I have heard of protectionism, and in a free market there is no need for it. In a free market having a huge trade deficit with another country will eventually correct itself because the country who is exporting more goods will see an increase in the value of its currency relative to the importer. In the long run, the increased value of the exporters currency would make it a less attractive place to buy good from with your relatively weaker currency. What concerns me is not our trade deficit with China, but the fact that their currency has remained relatively low for so long. China does this by printing money and buying American dollars with it. By introducing more of their currency into circulation and buying our currency to keep it out of circulation, China effectively increases the demand for American dollars. This currency manipulation China practices is a form of protectionism and it allows China to continue its trade surplus with the US and allow its industry to grow rapidly.
I am not going to get into the great depression, but I will state the obvious: We recently had to bailout our banks. So, without government (tax-payer) intervention, our system (the global economic system) would have failed.
Now, considering that our main trading partner practices currency-manipulation and that we had to bailout our own banks, I think a small tax break as a short term solution to encourage local spending and growth should be on the table.
I still believe a free market benefits all parties involved, but I don't think that is the current state we are in. We need to do some more damage control first.
 

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A standard needs to set where if a American business has over 50% of their finished product made outside of the country then a higher business tax status is used to offset the cheaper foreign labor.

Charging a higher tariff on imports used to be an American tradition to protect business and workers. When those tariffs were dropped the 'real' tea party was started.
 

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[citation][nom]kanoobie[/nom]I have heard of protectionism, and in a free market there is no need for it. In a free market having a huge trade deficit with another country will eventually correct itself because the country who is exporting more goods will see an increase in the value of its currency relative to the importer. In the long run, the increased value of the exporters currency would make it a less attractive place to buy good from with your relatively weaker currency. What concerns me is not our trade deficit with China, but the fact that their currency has remained relatively low for so long. China does this by printing money and buying American dollars with it. By introducing more of their currency into circulation and buying our currency to keep it out of circulation, China effectively increases the demand for American dollars. This currency manipulation China practices is a form of protectionism and it allows China to continue its trade surplus with the US and allow its industry to grow rapidly.I am not going to get into the great depression, but I will state the obvious: We recently had to bailout our banks. So, without government (tax-payer) intervention, our system (the global economic system) would have failed.Now, considering that our main trading partner practices currency-manipulation and that we had to bailout our own banks, I think a small tax break as a short term solution to encourage local spending and growth should be on the table.I still believe a free market benefits all parties involved, but I don't think that is the current state we are in. We need to do some more damage control first.[/citation]

A free market is a profit and LOSS system.

Bailing out anyone was the worst thing we could have done.
 
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"Psssst ...."

Uhh, your own chart shows a loss of 600,000 jobs, exactly what the other guy said. Did you actually read the chart?

"Don't let silly things like facts get in the way of your rant."

Haha, this is great. You posted evidence that the other guy is right, and then turn around and accuse him of ignoring facts.
 

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Sounds like a good move from the president to applaud a company that evades taxes as far as they can just so they stockpile billion after billion and all that while the country's economy is collapsing. Its like saying, evade all the billions of taxes you want - As long as you employ at least one sweatshop worker at home - Its ridiculous!
 

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[citation][nom]rantoc[/nom]Sounds like a good move from the president to applaud a company that evades taxes as far as they can just so they stockpile billion after billion and all that while the country's economy is collapsing. Its like saying, evade all the billions of taxes you want - As long as you employ at least one sweatshop worker at home - Its ridiculous![/citation]

Evading theft, is good.

Maybe the government shouldn't steal so much.
 
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I'd like to add my 5c as an outsider. A consumer that prefers products made in his country can be considered as a patriot in a way. However it's important to think also in a global scale. Look at U.S. southern border to Mexico - there is a lot of factories producing stuff for US market. If they can earn money for that, eventually they will spend it, their life status will increase, trading between US and Mexico will develop etc. So, outsourcing production to other countries have an upside as well, at least as long as that US has sth to offer. It's easier to think that way in EU, where each country separately benefits from increase of work demand and production in the rest of EU countries. And China?... well I believe we eventually will all pay for what is happening there. They pollute without limits. Their production is ineffective and they have a huge problems with internal market. If their economy collapse, we'll all have to compensate. And don't forget that China "owns" US by debts, and they will not hesitate to ask for repay in emergency.
 

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[citation][nom]edogawa[/nom]You didn't get my point... I'd rather pay slightly higher costs if it means Americans get jobs.[/citation]

You will anyway since politicians come up with new taxes to support entitlements.
 
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"It's not a bigger government we need, but a smarter government that sets priorities and invests in broad-based growth," Obama added during his State of the Union speech.

That sounds awfully conservative for a liberal. I imagine there are some liberals flipping tables right about now.
 
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