Old Processor

[Upendra09]

I am currently running a celeron tualatin on my desktop

I looked this processor up and i read some pretty disturbing things.

I have heard that it is pretty much an OCed rebranded PIII, is this true?

and i have been planning to build a new rig for a while now and i just got into video editing, what kind of processor should i get from AMDfor my new rig. My budget is under 700 USD.

my following specs are

AMD Regor 240......58
DDR3 patriot 133 mhz RAM.......44
gigabyte mobo AM3 HD4200............90
LG Optical drive........29
HIS Radeon 5750.....142
Hanns-G monitor 21.5'.........150
SATA II 250 gb 7200 RPM........47
Corsair 450watt.........80

total: 640 USD

Is hanns-g a reliable montior brand?

what is the difference between SATA and SATA II? I know about the 6 gb/s data transfer rate of SATA II is double of SATA but is it noticeable?

 

[joefriday]

but no where near tualatin 1.4ghz's idle temp of 40c(for 180nm that is impressive.)

The Tualatin is 130nm, just like the Northwood P4.

 

[Upendra09]

500 gigs is only a few dollars over the 250 so go with 500

Since you are planning on video editing, I suggest going with the Athlon II 630... should cost around 110$

4 gigs of ram recommended on new builds and something like a Thermaltake 500W, that should give you a great up to date machine.

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Nice read on P3's... I skipped from Older Celeron 850 to an AthlonXP2400... Very satisfied with that chip... The future upgrade to Barton3000 didn't do a big difference but still fair for the price.

Thanks, but i don't need more than 250 gigs, i currently am using 35 gigs of my 40 gig maxtor HDD on my tualatin desktop, and i may look at the propus

just for discussion sake my specs are;

1.2ghz tualatin
512 mb of SDRAM
40 gig Maxtor HDD
Phillips and maxtor optical drives
i815 chipset w/ 8 mbs max vid mem
one AGP slot and three PCI slots
floppy drive

 

[Pointertovoid]

Tutu celerons use the same signalling voltages as Coppermines, enabling adapters to just pass the signals from the Cpu to the Northbridge. Tutu PIII use still different signalling voltages which shouldn't have been mixed with older Northbridge, though in practice it worked.

But I globally agree that Intel made a huge mess with its PIII sockets. This was one of the factors that favoured Amd. Intel hasn't learnt from that, if you see the even bigger mess they're doing right now with the sockets.

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At 250GB disks, you can have one side of a 500GB platter, important for contiguous throughput. At least the 7200.12 does it, I didn't check the Spinpoint F3.

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I also jumped from PIII-Sdrsdram-Agp-Pata-Pci to C2D-Ddrsdram-PciE-Sata. Of course, I wanted some minimum form of compatibility, that is for the hard disks.

My experience is: do not choose a mobo for its Pata port. Added controllers are bad, waste boot time, and waste one PciE lane. Use Pata-to-Sata adapters for the few times you need them.

 

[Upendra09]

what kind of ports do UltraDMA HDDs have? that is the technology on my hdd

 

[joefriday]

PATA. Aka IDE. Ultra DMA jsut means the hard drive can interface at 66MB/s with the IDE controller, provided the IDE controller is also ultra DMA and you are using an 80 pin ribbon cable.

Honestly, for a guy who bashes Intel left and right, you sure don't know much of anything...

 

[joefriday]

Tutu celerons use the same signalling voltages as Coppermines, enabling adapters to just pass the signals from the Cpu to the Northbridge. Tutu PIII use still different signalling voltages which shouldn't have been mixed with older Northbridge, though in practice it worked.

That is utterly false. There was no difference in the pinout or voltages between tualatin Celerons and Tualatin PIIIs. Please, look at the Lunchbox webiste linked further up in this page.

 

[Keiki646]

I am currently running a celeron tualatin on my desktop

I looked this processor up and i read some pretty disturbing things.

I have heard that it is pretty much an OCed rebranded PIII, is this true?

and i have been planning to build a new rig for a while now and i just got into video editing, what kind of processor should i get from AMDfor my new rig. My budget is under 700 USD.

my following specs are

AMD Regor 240......58
DDR3 patriot 133 mhz RAM.......44
gigabyte mobo AM3 HD4200............90
LG Optical drive........29
HIS Radeon 5750.....142
Hanns-G monitor 21.5'.........150
SATA II 250 gb 7200 RPM........47
Corsair 450watt.........80

total: 640 USD

Is hanns-g a reliable montior brand?

what is the difference between SATA and SATA II? I know about the 6 gb/s data transfer rate of SATA II is double of SATA but is it noticeable?

Hi there, I understand what you are asking before for myself I done tons of film projects and the CPU you are looking for and the right one. I have a Hanns-G 19inch monitor and \I love it and Yes reliable brand
I have just a few in mind but I'd want to think about your pockets as well. I know that you don't want to spend much on a new CPU but if you do have a 775 socket these candidate item will be my choice

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103288

You are going to need some with
Virtualization Technology Support
Hyper-Transport Support
64 bit Support
MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4a,3DNOW!

 

[cheesesubs]

i still remember craig barretts said 64bit(x64) is unnecessary back in 2002. he was actually believe the processor will push to 10ghz and all system will only need 1 gb of rambus dram for all performance.

clockrate is non important. only for stupid overclocker who had nothing to do for their life. pentium m and core 2 pwn the crap out of netburst architecture and support more ram. raw clockrate dont do jack$h1t

 

[Keiki646]

The AMD Phenom 9650 2.3GHz is a awful performer the threadstarter can buy an Athlon II 620 based on the Phenom II architecture for $99, that is a better investment.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103706&cm_re=athlon_ii_x4_620-_-19-103-706-_-Product

Personally with $700 the threadstarter should be looking @ the Phenom II X4 925/945/955/965.

That is true, BDD is right

 

[Upendra09]

i would like a quad core but then it would get too expensive

 

[cheesesubs]

i would like a quad core but then it would get too expensive

e8400 can pwn most of mid range quad core from amd. some time even phenom II. and it's just a dual core...

 

[joefriday]

i still remember craig barretts said 64bit(x64) is unnecessary back in 2002. he was actually believe the processor will push to 10ghz and all system will only need 1 gb of rambus dram for all performance.

clockrate is non important. only for stupid overclocker who had nothing to do for their life. pentium m and core 2 pwn the crap out of netburst architecture and support more ram. raw clockrate dont do jack$h1t

Craig Barretts was right, in 2002. Hell, even now, I don't use my 64bit extensions. I have 2GB ram and a 512MB graphics card, and get along fine on Vista Ultimate 32 bit. Only now, with ram prices so cheap and OS bloat so prevalent, is the average user beginning to approach the 32 bit limitations on memory addressing. Only in the server space was 64 bit actually needed, and Intel already had Itanium to cover that (we could debate about the superiority of Itanium in processing true 64 bit code, but, just like in this last discussion, I don't think you'll be able to go toe to toe with me on that!).

 

[joefriday]

i would like a quad core but then it would get too expensive

Hey, I'm using a Regor 240 right now and I really like it. I have it overclocked to 3.5 GHz, still on stock voltage, using the stock hsf. I could go higher, but I only wanted 3.5, so I never pushed it further. I also undervolt/underclock it severely when it is idling using K10stat. I have 5 different CPU multiplier settings: "low", "max" "Normal" "web" and "Pentium III". Based on what I'm doing I can set it for the appropriate speed. Right now I'm using "Pentium III" setting, which limits max speed to just 1.25GHz and 0.8375 volts, and lets it idle at 500MHz/0.7125 volts. Only on my "Max" setting does the CPU overclock to 3.5 GHz, where it is always stuck at 3.5GHz/1.4 volt, never idling down (I find it's more stable for games). My "Web" setting idles at 500MHz and maxes at about 2.2GHz, as that's about all the power I need to do anything on the web. "Normal" limits max speed to 2.8GHz with just 1.1 volts, and of course, "low" locks the CPU to 500MHz. Playing with the CPU multi and vid are the best things about K8 and K10 CPUs, because just like the old Pentium M, the multiplier can be pushed down real low, and a huge range of VIDs are available to fine tune the vcore for each speed. That's just not possible on Intel's Core 2 line of CPUs. And, if you looked at Tom's article on CPU undervolting (its now been yanked from the site, I wonder why?), the regor 240 ended up having the same power consumption of the Core 2 Duo CPU once undervolted! So you can have your cake (overclocked) and eat it too (power efficiency)!

 

[Upendra09]

do you always have to go to BIOS to change it though?

 

[Upendra09]

^ I know that is what i don't understand

does he reboot everytime to do something different?

 

[Upendra09]

yeah but my question is does he restart his computer to change the setting just so he can do something more demanding?

 

[cheesesubs]

Craig Barretts was right, in 2002. Hell, even now, I don't use my 64bit extensions. I have 2GB ram and a 512MB graphics card, and get along fine on Vista Ultimate 32 bit. Only now, with ram prices so cheap and OS bloat so prevalent, is the average user beginning to approach the 32 bit limitations on memory addressing. Only in the server space was 64 bit actually needed, and Intel already had Itanium to cover that (we could debate about the superiority of Itanium in processing true 64 bit code, but, just like in this last discussion, I don't think you'll be able to go toe to toe with me on that!).

do you actually believe 2gb ram can be enough for future use? i had vista ultimate x86 on my old pentium d 805 bitterrent downloader with 2gb ddr2 667 kingston vlp and it is slow as hell. so dont tell me that 32bit addressed is enough, to you? maybe. but to me, that is garbage performance. even today people still not willing to give up their crappy pentium 4 for core i5/i7 or lower range like core 2/ pentium/celeron. they were blinded to believe these processor were outclass by their pentium 4 and not worth to buy it because of "clockrate". then here we go. they rather stick with lower ram size and high clockrate processor but also with high latency and extremely low instruction by cycle and performance. these average folk are happy the way they are now. and still are, just like you.

PS: that is why it cause intel downfall, satifition of present 32 bit technology and blinded by general user that doesn't know what performance is.

and as i said way above, IPC and x64 extensions are the future and even amd must obey this rule.

 

[joefriday]

do you actually believe 2gb ram can be enough for future use? i had vista ultimate x86 on my old pentium d 805 bitterrent downloader with 2gb ddr2 667 kingston vlp and it is slow as hell. so dont tell me that 32bit addressed is enough, to you? maybe. but to me, that is garbage performance. even today people still not willing to give up their crappy pentium 4 for core i5/i7 or lower range like core 2/ pentium/celeron. they were blinded to believe these processor were outclass by their pentium 4 and not worth to buy it because of "clockrate". then here we go. they rather stick with lower ram size and high clockrate processor but also with high latency and extremely low instruction by cycle and performance. these average folk are happy the way they are now. and still are, just like you.

PS: that is why it cause intel downfall, satifition of present 32 bit technology and blinded by general user that doesn't know what performance is.

and as i said way above, IPC and x64 extensions are the future and even amd must obey this rule.

lol. I'm sorry, but if you're not even going to try, then I don't see any point discussing this matter with you further.

 

[Upendra09]

do you actually believe 2gb ram can be enough for future use? i had vista ultimate x86 on my old pentium d 805 bitterrent downloader with 2gb ddr2 667 kingston vlp and it is slow as hell. so dont tell me that 32bit addressed is enough, to you? maybe. but to me, that is garbage performance. even today people still not willing to give up their crappy pentium 4 for core i5/i7 or lower range like core 2/ pentium/celeron. they were blinded to believe these processor were outclass by their pentium 4 and not worth to buy it because of "clockrate". then here we go. they rather stick with lower ram size and high clockrate processor but also with high latency and extremely low instruction by cycle and performance. these average folk are happy the way they are now. and still are, just like you.

PS: that is why it cause intel downfall, satifition of present 32 bit technology and blinded by general user that doesn't know what performance is.

and as i said way above, IPC and x64 extensions are the future and even amd must obey this rule.

I'm sorry but i tried to understand what you wrote but i couldn't please use grammar, i think you have a valid point somewhere in there

 

[joefriday]

yeah but my question is does he restart his computer to change the setting just so he can do something more demanding?

No, it's simply a power state, a lot like on Vista where you can choose between "power saving", "balanced", and "performance". K10stat gives you 5 customizable power states, where you can set your minimum, maximum and in between frequencies for each power state, AND set the voltage for each frequency. When I need to do something more demanding, I just change my performance state by right clicking the little K10stat icon in my toolbar and selecting the performance state I need, then it automatically changes, right on the fly. Check out this blog for more info on how k10stat operates:
http://www.underclocking.net/2009/08/phenom-ii-x4-940-stable-k10stat.html

What I did is overclock the cpu through bios, from 200 to 250 bus speed, to give me a max speed of 3.5GHz. Even with cool and quiet disabled in the BIOS, K10stat can enable and change the multipliers and vids on the fly, giving you an even better cool and quiet experience while still overclocking!

 

[Upendra09]

that is pretty aweesome, does that come with every Regor or did you download that?

 

[joefriday]

It's a small, simple download, like cpu-z. It doesn't even need to be installed. Just unzip the download and run the .exe. One word of advice: the k10stat program must always be open to have it be working. It can be minimized with a little tab on the system tray, but you just can't exit the program or it'll turn off K10stat. It's just a little bug in an otherwise great program. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like k10stat is being actively worked on right now. That's too bad too, because I would give the author of the program a few paypal bucks just as incentive to continue to tweak the program to make it even more user friendly (such as auto starting, starting in a specific power state, and saving the option for ganged vs unganged cores).