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"Big Bill" <bill@pipping.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 05:42:26 GMT, "Fred"
> <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote:
>
> >Have had this camera a long time but all of a sudden, it started giving
me
> >the "battery empty" message right after I install 4 new batteries.
> >
> >IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES OR THE BATTERY CONNECTIONS.
> >
> >Nothing special happened the day it started -- I had taken about
> >100 photos with no problem, then when the batteries ran out, I put in 4
new
> >ones and got 2 photos before "battery empty" message came up. Same ever
> >since.
> >
> >Wonder if anyone had this problem come up on this or a similar model?
> >
> >Thanks!!
> >Fred
> >
> >
> Fred, I've worked as a mechanic,and now I work on computers.
> POne thing I've learned doing this is to ask: "How do you KNOW it's
> not the batteries?"
> The reason I ask is this: when experience says *this* is the problem,
> and customer says *this* isn't the problem, *this* is the first thing
> I check. And guess what? *This* is usually the problem.
> So when you're asked, "How do you know it's not the batteries", you're
> being asked because bad or marginal batteries cause exactly the
> problems you present.
> Yes, there are other things that can cause this. And Oly cameras in
> particular seem to have a problem with their power systems on their
> PCBs. But still, even on Olys, it *usually* the batteries, and unless
> you can assure us that you've actually done some tests that will
> remove batteries as the problem, that question will still be asked.
> If you were to take the camera to an Oly service center, and assure
> them that IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES, the first thing they will do is
> insert known good batteries. It's the way troubleshooting goes. First,
> you eliminate the obvious. Second, never listen to the customer when
> he insists the obvious isn't the problem, *especially* when it's so
> trivial to check anyway.
> Hope this helps!
>
> --
> Bill Funk
> Change "g" to "a"

Thanks Bill, but as I have said ad nauseum, I too first checked the
obvious -- batteries, (new batteries, old batteries, etc....), battery
contacts, is the door closed, are the switches making contact.

Now that this is addressed for the fifty millionth time, ...... on to the
power circuit. Anyone have a schematic?
 
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"Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> Yes, but in this case, I can't live with the problem - the camera is not
> usable as is. And can't send to Olympus because I'm sure this problem
will
> come up again in a year or so - based on email and postings from others.
> This is a common problem. Yet, I don't want to throw about the $$ I spent
> on it, so I'll keep trying to find out a method of troubleshooting it
> myself.
>
So what do you have to lose sending the camera to Olympus?
The reason why Olympus does not make the service information available is
due the
experience and equipment needed to properly service the camera.



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"Bruce Graham" <jbgraham@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
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> In article <ZZTld.40579$5K2.35694@attbi_s03>, weg9@comcast.net says...
>>
>> "NSM" <nowrite@to.me> wrote in message
>> news:5uNld.85524$E93.5211@clgrps12...
>> >
>> > "Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
>> > news:_pLld.3970$N_5.1750@trnddc03...
>> > ...
>> > | Nothing irks me more than these big companies selling expensive items
>> > and
>> > | then not making service documentation available to the purchaser.
>> > Smacks
>> > of
>> > | monopoly to me.
>>
>> I agree, and that's why I usually require the salesman to dig one up for
>> me.....The last new car I bought came with a complete factory service
>> manual
>> because I did that, by the way.........
>>
>>
> about a $500 extra if bought after the sale for my fairly ordinary wagon.
>
Yes.....It's also wise to buy extra plastic trim and head/taillight covers
when buying a new vehicle. I knew a guy that, when he found out how much he
was going to have to pay for that smashed taillight cover, he went back to
the parking lot, picked up the pieces, and glued them all back
together........
 
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"Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
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>
> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:iUTld.40543$5K2.14161@attbi_s03...
>>
>> "Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
>> news:LXKld.4359$GV5.3522@trnddc04...
>> > IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
>> > IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
>> >
>> > Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Well, if the camera works otherwise OK, then you have two choices. Either
>> live with the problem, or send it off to the Olympus repair facility, and
>> have them fix it. I would probably live with the problem unless and until
>> the camera failed in some other way, and then, when it was due for a Cal
>> and/or other service anyway, I would get the battery checking circuit
>> repaired along with.....I know that I never use the battery test circuit
> on
>> my camera, so I could care less if it works....I just carry spare
> batteries
>> around with me in case I should ever need them.
>
> Yes, but in this case, I can't live with the problem - the camera is not
> usable as is. And can't send to Olympus because I'm sure this problem
> will
> come up again in a year or so - based on email and postings from others.
> This is a common problem. Yet, I don't want to throw about the $$ I spent
> on it, so I'll keep trying to find out a method of troubleshooting it
> myself.
>
>
You might try an independent technician. Some of these guys are pretty good,
and you might find one who is familiar with your particular make and
model.......
 
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"RWM" <RWM@RWMann.com> wrote in message news:419742D5.1010905@RWMann.com...
>
>
> Fred wrote:
>
> >Have had this camera a long time but all of a sudden, it started giving
me
> >the "battery empty" message right after I install 4 new batteries.
> >
> >IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES OR THE BATTERY CONNECTIONS.
> >
> >Nothing special happened the day it started -- I had taken about
> >100 photos with no problem, then when the batteries ran out, I put in 4
new
> >ones and got 2 photos before "battery empty" message came up. Same ever
> >since.
> >
> >Wonder if anyone had this problem come up on this or a similar model?
> >
> >Thanks!!
> >Fred
> >
>
>
> In my experience, they're very sensitive to battery voltage. Even one
> soft cell among "new" batteries will trigger that message. I've even
> seen it happen with lithium cells. Suggest you switch out cells, and
> see if you can identify the bad one.

Thanks, but... IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S
NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE
BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT
THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S
NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
 
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"Mike" <e@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> So what do you have to lose sending the camera to Olympus?

$155 and the high probability that the same problem will occur again

> The reason why Olympus does not make the service information available is
> due the experience and equipment needed to properly service the camera.

Wrong. The reason is .... they can (a) charge $155 for 15 minutes of repair
time or (b) you buy another camera.
 
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"William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
> news:gkbmd.2653$qS4.367@trnddc09...
> >
> > "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:iUTld.40543$5K2.14161@attbi_s03...
> >>
> >> "Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
> >> news:LXKld.4359$GV5.3522@trnddc04...
> >> > IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
> >> > IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
> >> >
> >> > Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Well, if the camera works otherwise OK, then you have two choices.
Either
> >> live with the problem, or send it off to the Olympus repair facility,
and
> >> have them fix it. I would probably live with the problem unless and
until
> >> the camera failed in some other way, and then, when it was due for a
Cal
> >> and/or other service anyway, I would get the battery checking circuit
> >> repaired along with.....I know that I never use the battery test
circuit
> > on
> >> my camera, so I could care less if it works....I just carry spare
> > batteries
> >> around with me in case I should ever need them.
> >
> > Yes, but in this case, I can't live with the problem - the camera is not
> > usable as is. And can't send to Olympus because I'm sure this problem
> > will
> > come up again in a year or so - based on email and postings from others.
> > This is a common problem. Yet, I don't want to throw about the $$ I
spent
> > on it, so I'll keep trying to find out a method of troubleshooting it
> > myself.
> >
> >
> You might try an independent technician. Some of these guys are pretty
good,
> and you might find one who is familiar with your particular make and
> model.......

Thanks William. In fact, I went on www.bigyellow.com and did a search for
all camera repair shops within a 30 mile radius. None of them would try
fixing it on their own -- except one Indian who charges $75 check-out fee
(fixed or not). All the others said they just pack the camera up and send to
Olympus - just like consumers would have to do, because Olympus doesn't make
service docs available.
 
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:08:54 GMT, "Fred"
<testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote:

>"Mike" <e@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>> So what do you have to lose sending the camera to Olympus?
>
>$155 and the high probability that the same problem will occur again
>
>> The reason why Olympus does not make the service information available is
>> due the experience and equipment needed to properly service the camera.
>
>Wrong. The reason is .... they can (a) charge $155 for 15 minutes of repair
>time or (b) you buy another camera.
>
Out of curiosity, how do you know this is a 15-minute fix?

Have you heard about the retired machinist who was asked to fix a
problem? He spent some time studying the problem, then made a minor
adjustment (it consisted of kicking a component), and presented a bill
for $5,000.
When the bill was questioned, he revised the bill:

"Kicking whatsis: $10
Knowing which whatsis to kick: $4,990"
--
Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"
 
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"Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
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> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ADimd.343279$wV.200576@attbi_s54...
>>
>> "Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
>> news:gkbmd.2653$qS4.367@trnddc09...
>> >
>> > "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:iUTld.40543$5K2.14161@attbi_s03...
>> >>
>> >> "Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:LXKld.4359$GV5.3522@trnddc04...
>> >> > IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
>> >> > IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Well, if the camera works otherwise OK, then you have two choices.
> Either
>> >> live with the problem, or send it off to the Olympus repair facility,
> and
>> >> have them fix it. I would probably live with the problem unless and
> until
>> >> the camera failed in some other way, and then, when it was due for a
> Cal
>> >> and/or other service anyway, I would get the battery checking circuit
>> >> repaired along with.....I know that I never use the battery test
> circuit
>> > on
>> >> my camera, so I could care less if it works....I just carry spare
>> > batteries
>> >> around with me in case I should ever need them.
>> >
>> > Yes, but in this case, I can't live with the problem - the camera is
>> > not
>> > usable as is. And can't send to Olympus because I'm sure this problem
>> > will
>> > come up again in a year or so - based on email and postings from
>> > others.
>> > This is a common problem. Yet, I don't want to throw about the $$ I
> spent
>> > on it, so I'll keep trying to find out a method of troubleshooting it
>> > myself.
>> >
>> >
>> You might try an independent technician. Some of these guys are pretty
> good,
>> and you might find one who is familiar with your particular make and
>> model.......
>
> Thanks William. In fact, I went on www.bigyellow.com and did a search for
> all camera repair shops within a 30 mile radius. None of them would try
> fixing it on their own -- except one Indian who charges $75 check-out fee
> (fixed or not). All the others said they just pack the camera up and send
> to
> Olympus - just like consumers would have to do, because Olympus doesn't
> make
> service docs available.
>
>
Yes. Well, this is a bad situation. I have a list of manufacturers I keep
(in my mind) that I will not deal with, simply because of things like this.
They all have, at some time or other in the past, proven themselves to be
unworthy of my business. Not all of these people are manufacturers. Some are
services such as banks and insurance companies. There is really no way to
recover the time and money that I have spent with these people, so all I can
do is boycott them, and perhaps tell my friends about them. Unfortunately,
we live in a "use till it breaks and then throw it away" world, and it's
getting worse, not better. Companies used to care about their public image,
and cater to the individual, but today there are so many millions of
customers, and they are all just looking for the most they can get at the
cheapest price possible, that no company can possibly care anymore. Every
brand name that I respected in my youth has been sold down the river and
trashed by its new owner, so there are none that I can trust anymore, and I
too, am forced to just deal with whoever gives me the most for the cheapest
price. I realized this many years ago when I sat in a friends new Porsche
and realized that it was a cheap plastic Volkswagen with the name, "Porsche"
written in chrome on the dashboard. All the banks that my father knew have
turned into pawnshops who won't loan anyone a dollar unless they get a
dollar and a half of collateral to put in their safe first. It has become a
cheap, plastic world, full of cheap, plastic thieves, and I don't know what
to do about it.
 
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:08:54 GMT, "Fred"
<testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote:

>"RWM" <RWM@RWMann.com> wrote in message news:419742D5.1010905@RWMann.com...
>>
>>
>> Fred wrote:
>>
>> >Have had this camera a long time but all of a sudden, it started giving
>me
>> >the "battery empty" message right after I install 4 new batteries.
>> >
>> >IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES OR THE BATTERY CONNECTIONS.
>> >
>> >Nothing special happened the day it started -- I had taken about
>> >100 photos with no problem, then when the batteries ran out, I put in 4
>new
>> >ones and got 2 photos before "battery empty" message came up. Same ever
>> >since.
>> >
>> >Wonder if anyone had this problem come up on this or a similar model?
>> >
>> >Thanks!!
>> >Fred
>> >
>>
>>
>> In my experience, they're very sensitive to battery voltage. Even one
>> soft cell among "new" batteries will trigger that message. I've even
>> seen it happen with lithium cells. Suggest you switch out cells, and
>> see if you can identify the bad one.
>
>Thanks, but... IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S
>NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
>IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE
>BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT
>THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S
>NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
>
>
How do you know?

--
Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"
 
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"Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike" <e@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> > So what do you have to lose sending the camera to Olympus?
>
> $155 and the high probability that the same problem will occur again
>
Yet you think that you can repair the camera and solve the problem?
I suspect that IF you could get the part you would be bitching about the
price of the parts(s) needed
And what would you say IF you could get the service info and the part(s) but
could not make the adjustments, would you demand Olympus refund the part(s)
cost?
>
> > The reason why Olympus does not make the service information available
is
> > due the experience and equipment needed to properly service the camera.
>
> Wrong. The reason is .... they can (a) charge $155 for 15 minutes of
repair
> time or (b) you buy another camera.
>
No Fred, you are the one who is wrong. You have no idea how long the repair
will take nor what the part(s) cost or what adjustments may be needed and
whether or not you are equipped to make them.
There was a time many many years ago when the sales arm of a camera company
supplemented the service department budget which helped keep repair charges
low. For the most part service departments now have to stand on their own
so parts and service costs to the customers has gone up.










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He hasn't been able to get a job since either.

"Big Bill" <bill@pipping.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:08:54 GMT, "Fred"
> <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote:
> Have you heard about the retired machinist who was asked to fix a
> problem? He spent some time studying the problem, then made a minor
> adjustment (it consisted of kicking a component), and presented a bill
> for $5,000.
> When the bill was questioned, he revised the bill:
>
> "Kicking whatsis: $10
> Knowing which whatsis to kick: $4,990"
> --
> Bill Funk
> Change "g" to "a"
 
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"Mike" <e@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> > > So what do you have to lose sending the camera to Olympus?
> > $155 and the high probability that the same problem will occur again
> Yet you think that you can repair the camera and solve the problem?

Yep. Sure can -- if I have the correct service info. I do board-level T/S
and repair on similar products day in and day out. Of course, I generally
have schematics or at least access to a service tech on the phone --
something Olympus doesn't offer, even for a fee.

> I suspect that IF you could get the part you would be bitching about the
> price of the parts(s) needed

Actually, I'm not looking for replacement parts yet -- just service
documentation or advice from others who may have run across this problem
before. Chances are it's a bad connection, capacitor or other minor item I
can locate elsewhere.

Here's a story for you.... My car failed to start awhile back and the garage
isolated it to the computer. They quoted me $700 for a re-built computer.
Since I didn't have anything to lose, I took it home, took it apart and
found that a capacitor had shorted through. This one was fairly obvious due
to the smell and discoloration. I took it out and matched it up at the
local electronics parts house with an 11-cent capacitor and saved quite a
bit of money. Yes, it took me a few hours and some running around, but I'm
not in the for-profit business when home repairs are concerned.

> And what would you say IF you could get the service info and the part(s)
but
> could not make the adjustments, would you demand Olympus refund the
part(s)
> cost?

Jeez Louise... get a grip , Mike. I'm just looking for service
documentation! Then I'll worry about parts. I doubt I would buy any parts
from Olympus except mechanical items. And, no, I don't usually go around
"demanding" anything. That's a good way to alienate people.

> > > The reason why Olympus does not make the service information available
is
> > > due the experience and equipment needed to properly service the
camera.
> >
> > Wrong. The reason is .... they can (a) charge $155 for 15 minutes of
repair
> > time or (b) you buy another camera.
> >
> No Fred, you are the one who is wrong. You have no idea how long the
repair
> will take nor what the part(s) cost or what adjustments may be needed and
> whether or not you are equipped to make them.

Whatever.... I still need service documentation. Any CONSTRUCTIVE advice
would be welcome. :^)

> There was a time many many years ago when the sales arm of a camera
company
> supplemented the service department budget which helped keep repair
charges
> low. For the most part service departments now have to stand on their own
> so parts and service costs to the customers has gone up.

Hoo boy, that's nice!!

Well! I see by the old clock on the wall that I have reached the limit for
wasting time today. As much as I have enjoyed chatting with you, I still
need service documentation and so much bid you a fond farewell.

Fred
 
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LOL! Yes, I've used that before myself!

"Big Bill" <bill@pipping.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:08:54 GMT, "Fred"
> <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote:
>
> >"Mike" <e@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:e6dmd.217$Tq6.216@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> >> So what do you have to lose sending the camera to Olympus?
> >
> >$155 and the high probability that the same problem will occur again
> >
> >> The reason why Olympus does not make the service information available
is
> >> due the experience and equipment needed to properly service the camera.
> >
> >Wrong. The reason is .... they can (a) charge $155 for 15 minutes of
repair
> >time or (b) you buy another camera.
> >
> Out of curiosity, how do you know this is a 15-minute fix?
>
> Have you heard about the retired machinist who was asked to fix a
> problem? He spent some time studying the problem, then made a minor
> adjustment (it consisted of kicking a component), and presented a bill
> for $5,000.
> When the bill was questioned, he revised the bill:
>
> "Kicking whatsis: $10
> Knowing which whatsis to kick: $4,990"
> --
> Bill Funk
> Change "g" to "a"
 
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"William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> It has become a cheap, plastic world, full of cheap, plastic thieves, and
I don't know
> what to do about it.

Fear not, young William! About the time I'm starting to think the same
thing, I run across a small shop or garage or even a sales clerk who goes
the extra mile and I get my confidence in mankind restored.

Ain't that right, Mike?
 
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BECAUSE!!! THAT'S WHY!! B^)


"Big Bill" <bill@pipping.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:08:54 GMT, "Fred"
> <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote:
>
> >"RWM" <RWM@RWMann.com> wrote in message
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> >>
> >>
> >> Fred wrote:
> >>
> >> >Have had this camera a long time but all of a sudden, it started
giving
> >me
> >> >the "battery empty" message right after I install 4 new batteries.
> >> >
> >> >IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES OR THE BATTERY CONNECTIONS.
> >> >
> >> >Nothing special happened the day it started -- I had taken about
> >> >100 photos with no problem, then when the batteries ran out, I put in
4
> >new
> >> >ones and got 2 photos before "battery empty" message came up. Same
ever
> >> >since.
> >> >
> >> >Wonder if anyone had this problem come up on this or a similar model?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks!!
> >> >Fred
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> In my experience, they're very sensitive to battery voltage. Even one
> >> soft cell among "new" batteries will trigger that message. I've even
> >> seen it happen with lithium cells. Suggest you switch out cells, and
> >> see if you can identify the bad one.
> >
> >Thanks, but... IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S
> >NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE
BATTERIES!!!
> >IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE
> >BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S
NOT
> >THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
IT'S
> >NOT THE BATTERIES!!! IT'S NOT THE BATTERIES!!!
> >
> >
> How do you know?
>
> --
> Bill Funk
> Change "g" to "a"
 
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"Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
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> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > It has become a cheap, plastic world, full of cheap, plastic thieves,
and
> I don't know
> > what to do about it.
>
> Fear not, young William! About the time I'm starting to think the same
> thing, I run across a small shop or garage or even a sales clerk who goes
> the extra mile and I get my confidence in mankind restored.
>
> Ain't that right, Mike?
>
>
What ever you say Fred after all you are a camera repair expert


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"Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike" <e@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > > > So what do you have to lose sending the camera to Olympus?
> > > $155 and the high probability that the same problem will occur again
> > Yet you think that you can repair the camera and solve the problem?
>
> Yep. Sure can -- if I have the correct service info. I do board-level T/S
> and repair on similar products day in and day out. Of course, I generally
> have schematics or at least access to a service tech on the phone --
> something Olympus doesn't offer, even for a fee.
>
> > I suspect that IF you could get the part you would be bitching about
the
> > price of the parts(s) needed
>
> Actually, I'm not looking for replacement parts yet -- just service
> documentation or advice from others who may have run across this problem
> before. Chances are it's a bad connection, capacitor or other minor item I
> can locate elsewhere.
>
> Here's a story for you.... My car failed to start awhile back and the
garage
> isolated it to the computer. They quoted me $700 for a re-built computer.
> Since I didn't have anything to lose, I took it home, took it apart and
> found that a capacitor had shorted through. This one was fairly obvious
due
> to the smell and discoloration. I took it out and matched it up at the
> local electronics parts house with an 11-cent capacitor and saved quite a
> bit of money. Yes, it took me a few hours and some running around, but
I'm
> not in the for-profit business when home repairs are concerned.
>
> > And what would you say IF you could get the service info and the part(s)
> but
> > could not make the adjustments, would you demand Olympus refund the
> part(s)
> > cost?
>
> Jeez Louise... get a grip , Mike. I'm just looking for service
> documentation! Then I'll worry about parts. I doubt I would buy any
parts
> from Olympus except mechanical items. And, no, I don't usually go around
> "demanding" anything. That's a good way to alienate people.
>
My only point Fred was to attempt to explain to you why Olympus does not
make some service information available. The fact is, this is not an
uncommon practice in the photo industry and especially now with the advent
of digital cameras. Here is an example; a friend owns a camera repair shop
and has been an authorized Nikon and Canon warranty station for 12 to 15
years. Nikon has just allowed him to purchase parts ONLY after his tech
attended a 5 day class.
If I can find a source for a service manual I'll post it here. I don't
service Digital's.....thankfully.











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"Mike" <e@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:CvQmd.28932

> My only point Fred was to attempt to explain to you why Olympus does not
> make some service information available. The fact is, this is not an
> uncommon practice in the photo industry and especially now with the advent
> of digital cameras. Here is an example; a friend owns a camera repair
shop
> and has been an authorized Nikon and Canon warranty station for 12 to 15
> years. Nikon has just allowed him to purchase parts ONLY after his tech
> attended a 5 day class.
> If I can find a source for a service manual I'll post it here. I don't
> service Digital's.....thankfully.

Thanks - I see what you mean.
 
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"Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
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> LOL! Yes, I've used that before myself!
>
>

Ok Fred here you go. The problem you have is either a blown fuse or the DC
to DC converter.
According to my information you *can* purchase a parts manual from Olympus
then once you have the camera apart cross reference the fuse in the C700
with any of the large electronic catalog houses.
KEY Electronics seems to be the source used. I hope this helps you a little.
Mike


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Holy smokes, Mike!!! Thanks very much! I will get on the phone with the
boys down at Olympus in the morning as axe why in THEE hell they didn't tell
me about the parts manual.

Thanks, again!

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> "Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
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> > LOL! Yes, I've used that before myself!
> >
> >
>
> Ok Fred here you go. The problem you have is either a blown fuse or the
DC
> to DC converter.
> According to my information you *can* purchase a parts manual from Olympus
> then once you have the camera apart cross reference the fuse in the C700
> with any of the large electronic catalog houses.
> KEY Electronics seems to be the source used. I hope this helps you a
little.
> Mike
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Tell them your a camera repair shop it might help.

"Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
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> Holy smokes, Mike!!! Thanks very much! I will get on the phone with the
> boys down at Olympus in the morning as axe why in THEE hell they didn't
tell
> me about the parts manual.
>
> Thanks, again!
>
> "Mike" <e@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > "Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
> > news:IHPmd.6999$GV5.2840@trnddc04...
> > > LOL! Yes, I've used that before myself!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Ok Fred here you go. The problem you have is either a blown fuse or the
> DC
> > to DC converter.
> > According to my information you *can* purchase a parts manual from
Olympus
> > then once you have the camera apart cross reference the fuse in the C700
> > with any of the large electronic catalog houses.
> > KEY Electronics seems to be the source used. I hope this helps you a
> little.
> > Mike
> >
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When you call, make sure to tell them your battery theory ... AND MAKE
SURE TO SPEAK IN ALL CAPS.

Fred wrote:

>Holy smokes, Mike!!! Thanks very much! I will get on the phone with the
>boys down at Olympus in the morning as axe why in THEE hell they didn't tell
>me about the parts manual.
>
>Thanks, again!
>
>"Mike" <e@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>>"Fred" <testing@testing1212mouse.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>>LOL! Yes, I've used that before myself!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Ok Fred here you go. The problem you have is either a blown fuse or the
>>
>>
>DC
>
>
>>to DC converter.
>>According to my information you *can* purchase a parts manual from Olympus
>>then once you have the camera apart cross reference the fuse in the C700
>>with any of the large electronic catalog houses.
>>KEY Electronics seems to be the source used. I hope this helps you a
>>
>>
>little.
>
>
>>Mike
>>
 
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Fred -

Thanks for trying to find service information here. I've got a D460Z and
a Canon A20 I could work on (EE and optical work for 30 years) if I had
similar information. Lots of us out here are hoping you find a source.
Such success would be terrific news for us all.

Jim Horn, WB9SYN/6
 
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Thanks, Jim. I have made slow but sure progress getting the info but still
a ways to go. I'll definitely post whatever I find out about my own camera.

"James Horn" <jimhorn@svn.net> wrote in message
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> Fred -
>
> Thanks for trying to find service information here. I've got a D460Z and
> a Canon A20 I could work on (EE and optical work for 30 years) if I had
> similar information. Lots of us out here are hoping you find a source.
> Such success would be terrific news for us all.
>
> Jim Horn, WB9SYN/6
 
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