Opinions on this gaming build please

[benjos909]

This is my first time building a gaming pc and i want to do this on a budget. i have done some looking on pc part picker and i think that i have a pretty decent gaming computer for a decent price, but since this is my first gaming pc i wanted to check and see if others thought this was good as well. It ends up to be less than $800, uses a rx 570 8gb, 16g ram, and an intel i5-9600k. I hope this link works but this should be the build. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bRrtRJ
I was also wondering if anyone had a recommendation on cpu cooler because apparently this core does not come with one, at least on newegg.
CPU

Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard- MSI - B360-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory-Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory
Video Card-MSI - Radeon RX 570 8 GB ARMOR MK2 Video Card
Case-NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply -EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply


UPDATE: Thank you for all the suggestions and tips so far. As an update, here is what i am currently contemplating. Just a note that i am not worried about storage because i have an ssd for the operating system and i have a hdd for storage in my posession already, so i didn't include it in the update.

CPU=Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor $249.99
CPU Cooler=ARCTIC - Freezer 33 Plus CPU Cooler $33.99
Motherboard=ASRock - Z390 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $99.99
Memory=Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $97.99
Video Card= Asus - Radeon RX 580 8 GB DUAL Video Card $184.99
Case=DIYPC - Zondda-B ATX Mid Tower Case $29.98
Power Supply=EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $39.99
Total: $736.92

please let me know if anyone else has suggestions

 

[Aeacus]

Why would you pick K-series CPU and put in B360 chipset MoBo which:
1. doesn't enable you to overclock your i5-9600K CPU and
2. needs to have latest BIOS in order to operate 9th gen CPU?

Also, you do not want 5400 RPM HDD as OS drive since it will be slow as hell. Even 7200 RPM HDD would be slow but bearable.

Refined your build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer 33 CPU Cooler ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z390 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($97.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi - Deskstar 7K2000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASRock - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Phantom Gaming X Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $799.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 01:03 EST-0500

Changes made
CPU cooler: none -> Arctic Freezer 33
MoBo: B360 -> Z390
HDD: WD 2TB 5400 RPM -> HGST (Hitachi) 2TB 7200 RPM
GPU: MSI RX 570 8GB -> AsRock RX 570 4GB

With that, you can now actually overclock your CPU since Z390 chipset MoBo allows it. No BIOS update needed with it as well. Also, CPU cooler is one of the best mid-sized air coolers. HDD got a speed and reliability upgrade and GPU got a VRAM downgrade, just to make everything fit within the budget.

 

[benjos909]

Why would you pick K-series CPU and put in B360 chipset MoBo which:
1. doesn't enable you to overclock your i5-9600K CPU and
2. needs to have latest BIOS in order to operate 9th gen CPU?

Also, you do not want 5400 RPM HDD as OS drive since it will be slow as hell. Even 7200 RPM HDD would be slow but bearable.

Refined your build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer 33 CPU Cooler ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z390 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($97.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi - Deskstar 7K2000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASRock - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Phantom Gaming X Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $799.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 01:03 EST-0500

Changes made
CPU cooler: none -> Arctic Freezer 33
MoBo: B360 -> Z390
HDD: WD 2TB 5400 RPM -> HGST (Hitachi) 2TB 7200 RPM
GPU: MSI RX 570 8GB -> AsRock RX 570 4GB

With that, you can now actually overclock your CPU since Z390 chipset MoBo allows it. No BIOS update needed with it as well. Also, CPU cooler is one of the best mid-sized air coolers. HDD got a speed and reliability upgrade and GPU got a VRAM downgrade, just to make everything fit within the budget.

I was unaware about the z390 chipset benifits over the b660 so thanks for that. As for the storage, i have a ssd i was going to put the os on so that isnt a factor however, i also thank you for the 7200rpm suggestion since i have a tendency to go with the cheaper hard drive without thinking about rpm. In the past i have only really cared about amount of storage with cheapest price for general storage of pictures and old files but gaming would benifit more from the higher one. Thanks for the reminder. As for the cooler, i added the arctic freezer 33 pro since it was only $5 more. Do you think that is appropriate? And lastly, i just wanted to make sure about the gpu, I don't mind going a little above the $800 mark plus i will probably cut corners with the case. I might have an older dell tower case that might work which could save me like $70 anyways. Thanks for the input and let me know if anyone else has any suggestions

 

[bmockeg]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Hitachi - Deskstar 7K2000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($309.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $808.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 02:20 EST-0500

If you are doing mostly gaming, you would get better FPS with this setup. You typically want to spend roughly twice your CPU cost on a GPU for balance purposes. Your setup has a better CPU but a lower GPU which will see lower FPS.

 

[cryoburner]

I kind of agree that most gaming performance benefits of the 9600K would largely be lost when paired with a mid-range graphics card. And the Ryzen 2600 is a really good option right now. It doesn't clock as high as the 9600K, but does have SMT to provide better heavily-multithreaded performance, and costs far less, especially if you make use of the bundled cooler. The higher clocks of the 9600K might potentially help performance in some games getting released a few years down the line, but the extra threads of the 2600 might as well, depending on the game.

If you were considering a card in the sub-$200 range, you might also consider the RX 580 8GB though, which can be found for around $200 now. The RX 580 is only at most around around 15% faster than an RX 570 though, while a GTX 1070 can be around 35% faster than an RX 580, or around 50% faster than an RX 570.

 

[benjos909]

I kind of agree that most gaming performance benefits of the 9600K would largely be lost when paired with a mid-range graphics card. And the Ryzen 2600 is a really good option right now. It doesn't clock as high as the 9600K, but does have SMT to provide better heavily-multithreaded performance, and costs far less, especially if you make use of the bundled cooler. The higher clocks of the 9600K might potentially help performance in some games getting released a few years down the line, but the extra threads of the 2600 might as well, depending on the game.

If you were considering a card in the sub-$200 range, you might also consider the RX 580 8GB though, which can be found for around $200 now. The RX 580 is only at most around around 15% faster than an RX 570 though, while a GTX 1070 can be around 35% faster than an RX 580, or around 50% faster than an RX 570.

Would you still recommend that if you take this into consideration: i don't really have the money after spending ~800 on a computer to purchase a great monitor, but i do have a few older monitors i can use in the meantime. It would also be a while before i purchase any newer games at full price also as a result, so i would emulate a lot of older systems and play the cheaper/free games more frequently. This computer would also be used to do a lot of non-gaming tasks for work and school purposes and also for streaming videos. Taking that into consideration, would you still recommend getting the 1070 or 580 and downgrading the cpu? By cutting a few corners on this build, i can get the final price around $700 currently between all the sales on these parts.

I should also add that i am not really sure if the i5-9600k is on sale or if it is the normal price on newegg since it doesn't have that banner so if a sale happens soon, potentially i could get it for a bit cheaper and save more money on a better cpu. Thanks for your thoughts and i would like to know your opinion after taking these into consideration.

 

[bmockeg]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Hitachi - Deskstar 7K2000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 580 8 GB DUAL Video Card ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $663.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 08:15 EST-0500

If you want to save a little money this setup will do plenty well at 1080p even with newer games. It will handle everything you've stated just fine.

 

[Aeacus]

I was unaware about the z390 chipset benifits over the b660 so thanks for that. As for the storage, i have a ssd i was going to put the os on so that isnt a factor however, i also thank you for the 7200rpm suggestion since i have a tendency to go with the cheaper hard drive without thinking about rpm. In the past i have only really cared about amount of storage with cheapest price for general storage of pictures and old files but gaming would benifit more from the higher one. Thanks for the reminder. As for the cooler, i added the arctic freezer 33 pro since it was only $5 more. Do you think that is appropriate? And lastly, i just wanted to make sure about the gpu, I don't mind going a little above the $800 mark plus i will probably cut corners with the case. I might have an older dell tower case that might work which could save me like $70 anyways. Thanks for the input and let me know if anyone else has any suggestions

You're welcome.

As far as Arctic Freezer 33 goes, there's no "Pro" version of it. What there are, are: "CO", "Plus", "eSports One", "eSports", "TR" and "PENTA" versions of it. So, which one did you pick? Plus? If so then Freezer 33 Plus comes with 2x fans while regular Freezer 33 comes with 1x fan. While extra fan won't give you any additional airflow, it does give better static pressure. And CPU cooler also looks nicer with 2x fans on it.

Provided that you re-use your old Dell case, you can go with better GPU due to this, like so:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer 33 CPU Cooler ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z390 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($97.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.35 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB GAMING Video Card ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $811.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 11:29 EST-0500

Changes made compared to my 1st suggestion:
HDD: Hitachi Deskstar 2TB -> Hitachi Ultrastar 2TB
GPU: RX 570 4GB -> GTX 1060 6GB
Case: NZXT H500 -> none

Few words
Hitachi Ultrastar is enterprise grade HDD and it offers better reliability and performance than consumer grade Hitachi Deskstar, with added price of $2,
HDD comparison: https://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Hitachi-UltraStar-7K4000-2TB-vs-Hitachi-HDS722020ALA330-2TB/m10357vsm1289

And with GTX 1060 6GB GPU, you're looking to play high/ultra settings @ 1080p with solid 60+ FPS,
RX 570 vs GTX 1060 6GB comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-570-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB/3924vs3639

Bonus:
Here's full build comparison between my 2nd suggestion (as as base) and bmockeg's 2nd suggestion (as an alternative):
Userbenchmark PC Build Comparison

Baseline Bench: Game 71%, Desk 72%, Work 61%
CPU: Intel Core i5-9600K
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1060-6GB
HDD: Hitachi UltraStar 7K4000 2TB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2666 C16 2x8GB

Alternative Bench: Game 66%, Desk 61%, Work 62%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: AMD RX 580
HDD: Hitachi HDS722020ALA330 2TB
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4 3200 C16 2x8GB

Given that all the components are same, except the CPU, where on one side you have R5 2600 and on another side you have i5-9600K, you will get better performance with Intel rather than with AMD,
CPU comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600-vs-Intel-Core-i5-9600K/3955vs4031

 

[logainofhades]

Dell cases tend to be proprietary and cannot be used with standard components.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($23.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Hitachi - Deskstar 7K2000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: DIYPC - Zondda-O ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.89 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $812.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 12:04 EST-0500

 

[cryoburner]

And with GTX 1060 6GB GPU, you're looking to play high/ultra settings @ 1080p with solid 60+ FPS,
RX 570 vs GTX 1060 6GB comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-570-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB/3924vs3639

It should be noted that an RX 580 and a GTX 1060 6GB offer, on average, a very similar level of performance, and if anything the 580 might be a little faster in newer, more demanding titles like the recent Battlefields. The 1060 is more energy efficient under load, but the RX 580 is probably a bit better value considering the better prices it has been available for recently.

Here's full build comparison between my 2nd suggestion (as as base) and bmockeg's 2nd suggestion (as an alternative)...
...Given that all the components are same, except the CPU, where on one side you have R5 2600 and on another side you have i5-9600K, you will get better performance with Intel rather than with AMD,
CPU comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600-vs-Intel-Core-i5-9600K/3955vs4031

A bit better CPU performance at moderately-threaded tasks, sure, but you are paying around $160 more for that bit of extra performance, between the more expensive processor, the more expensive motherboard, and the aftermarket cooler, since the 9600K doesn't come with one. And all of that probably won't make a particularly noticeable difference to real-world system performance. Personally, I think the Ryzen 2600 will be fine, and using the money to move up to something like a GTX 1070 instead would make a much more significant difference to gaming performance. Or that money could be saved by going with something like an RX 580, and put toward future upgrades down the line.

As for the Ryzen 1700X, it's also a good value at that price, but it doesn't sound like they have much need for those extra cores on top of SMT, since most software, including current games, won't utilize that many threads. Since it doesn't include a cooler, it effectively costs a little more than a 2600 as well, and the 2600 might perform slightly better at most common tasks.

Would you still recommend that if you take this into consideration: i don't really have the money after spending ~800 on a computer to purchase a great monitor, but i do have a few older monitors i can use in the meantime. It would also be a while before i purchase any newer games at full price also as a result, so i would emulate a lot of older systems and play the cheaper/free games more frequently. This computer would also be used to do a lot of non-gaming tasks for work and school purposes and also for streaming videos. Taking that into consideration, would you still recommend getting the 1070 or 580 and downgrading the cpu? By cutting a few corners on this build, i can get the final price around $700 currently between all the sales on these parts.

What kind of monitors are we talking about? I'm guessing they probably only have a 60Hz refresh rate, but at what resolution? 1080p or lower? At 1080p, an RX 580 or GTX 1060 6GB will do a pretty good job handling the most recent games at high settings, while a 1070 would be more likely to ensure a stable 60+ FPS at ultra settings in the most demanding titles, and would probably provide good performance with new releases for longer into the future. At lower resolutions than 1080p, a 1070 might be overkill, unless you plan on upgrading to a new display in the near future.

As for non-gaming tasks for work and school and streaming videos, I think any current mid-range processor should be able to handle that quite well.

 

[benjos909]

What kind of monitors are we talking about? I'm guessing they probably only have a 60Hz refresh rate, but at what resolution? 1080p or lower? At 1080p, an RX 580 or GTX 1060 6GB will do a pretty good job handling today's games at high settings, while a 1070 would be more likely to ensure a stable 60+ FPS at ultra settings in the most demanding titles, and would probably provide good performance with new releases for longer into the future. At lower resolutions than 1080p, a 1070 might be overkill, unless you plan on upgrading to a new display in the near future.[/quotemsg]



to be honest, these are dell monitors that are probably over 10 years old that i would be using in the meantime. I am planning on trying to get 2 1080 or 1440, with a good refresh rate, monitors in the near future however. I am thinking i can save like $150 on the graphics card and get a monitor on sale for ideally around $200.