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I've been a bit out of the loop on who is winning the price/performence war on the slightly less than top of the line area of things. I know more about AMD than Intel but would be willing to go either way. Since I know more about AMD I am probably looking at something like a Barton 2500+ - 2800+ with an nforce2 board and most likely 2 512 sticks of ram. I'm not sure what the approximate Intel equivilent of this is performance wise but if someone could fill me in I would appreciate it. I'll take everyone's opinion and input into consideration. Thanks guys.

"Don't question it!!!" - Err
 
I am not exactly sure, because I am an AMD fanboy, but I would imagine that to run about as fast as the Intel 2.8GHz or possibly even better. Here are the numbers I pulled up really quickly.

Athlon
Barton 2500+ - $90
Asus A7N8X - $103
Memory - $175 (what I paid for two matched Corsair? 256M sticks, shop around for what you want)
Total - $368

Pentium
P4 2.53 - $174
Asus P4C800 - $175
Memory - Same - $175
Total - $524

I don't know if this is the top of every heap, but that is along the lines of what I would be purchasing if I went Intel, and I believe that these two systems would be fairly comparable. Top Mobo, decent processor, good RAM. Also, that was for what I paid for $512 about 3 months ago, but that was quality matched RAM.

That's my 2 cents.

What's a signature? Oh, those words that show up after all my comments? I don't need one of those!
 
hey - thanks for the input. I am actually probably going to get the deluxe board on newegg because its not that much more and its on sale. I think I will go with the 2500+ barton though. I also found 512 sticks of Kingston PC2700 (2-2-2-5-1T) for 82 bucks a stick (not bad eh?). If anyone has any reccommendations about ram or whatever give me a shout (or if anyone can come up with a similarly priced intel setup that whomps this one). Thanks guys.

"Don't question it!!!" - Err
 
Ya the nforce apu sound makes the deluxe a great deal. Seems that you picked the best ram as well. Only point I want to make is on ram timing. If you run your board at 200 fsb. step back a bit on the cas timing. It seems that at that speed it is difficult for the ram to supply a good current to the north bridge. Looking like a great setup. Enjoy.
 
The 2800+ doesn't even come close to comparing with the 2.8c chip... nor the 2.6c... nor the 2.4c... well it might win a benchie or two against the 2.4c but overall it looses.

Also you don't want the P4C800 you want the P4P800 which costs significantly less for the same performance.

So P4 2.4c - $172 (You want a c varient chip on any of the new canterwood/springdale chipsets. 2.6c $215, 2.8c $265, 3.0c $397, 3.2c $714)
Asus P4P800 Deluxe - $142.00 (There are cheaper versions, but this one has a good set of features.)
Corsair 2xCMX256A-3200C2 (512mb Total) - $126 (This is the recommend ram by corsair, about 63$/chip.)
Total: $440

ASUS A7N8X Deluxe 400Mhz Support - $124.00 (Deluxe 2 Deluxe)
AXP 2800 333MHz FSB - $166.00 (The cheapest 400fsb chip is the 3000+ at $294, the 3200+ costs $439. The 3000 compares closest to the 2.6c and the 3200 closest to the 2.8c)
Corsair 2xCMX256A-3200C2 (512mb Total) - $126
Total: $416.00

Performance wise, the intel high end platform is dominating the amd platform. Lower middle range is still amd's market because their prices can't be beaten. The AMD PR rating is just way way off compared to the 800mhz fsb intels... like 400-800mhz off.

As far as ram goes, Kingston, Geil, Mushkin!, and Corsair are all good choices so long as you avoid the "value" ones. I like the Corsair personally but they all work very well.

Shadus
 
anyone else have anything to say about this? Because I can neither confirm nor deny these statements. I was more thinking of the 2500+ if I went the AMD route (after checking prices) so I'm not sure what p4 would match up against this.
and also...
What do people think about this intel mobo that was reccommened?

"Don't question it!!!" - Err
 
... price/performence war on the slightly less than top of the line area ...
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For this build I would choose the following:

Abit IS7 $104
2.4C (800MHz FSB, Hyperthreading) $176
*Two* sticks of PC3200+ memory

<b><font color=blue>Logic over all.</font color=blue></b>
 
Virtually identical in performance.

Here's a <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=1831&p=1" target="_new">good article</A>.

<b><font color=blue>Logic over all.</font color=blue></b>
 
There are some processor comparisons in <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1834" target="_new">this article</A>.

<b><font color=blue>Logic over all.</font color=blue></b>
 
shadus and prof are right, if you want top performance. (you said you wanted someone to confirm or deny). 865 (springdale) is only slightly slower than canterwood (875) because most motherboard companies are now coming up with ways to implement canterwood's highly-touted "PAT" on springdale boards. so far, the results don't seem to be identical, but it brings the margin between the boards down a lot
AND YOUR Don't question it!!! - Err, is the funniest thing i have seen in a long time. aquateen rules lolllllllllll

<A HREF="http://www.planettribes.com/allyourbase/ayb2.swf" target="_new">411 UR 84$3 R 8310N6 2 U$</A>
 
More benchmarks <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030623/index.html" target="_new">here</A>.

<b><font color=blue>Logic over all.</font color=blue></b>
 
my oportunity for upgrading in the immediate future has passed - how sad. But another oportunity may be coming soon - how fun. Hopefully someone will be interested in my AXP1800+, A7V333, and 512 stick of PC2700. I thank you guys for your input (and links) - they have been helpful. I like the looks of the P4 setup - it will all come down to whats on sale I guess. Latar.

"Don't question it!!!" - Err
 
I may again have a chance for an upgrade.....and if I do I'll prob go with a 2.4c and the abit IS7. The memory is the real kicker here though (PC3200 is damn expensive). 2x256 is about $150-160 while 2x512 is more like $290 or so. Since this board has 4 dimms should I just get 2x256 for now and save some money? I may go back to winXP if I do this upgrade or I may stick with win2k, it is yet to be seen.

"Don't question it!!!" - Err
 
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