Discussion Out of curiosity, who's buying the Ryzen "ZEN 5" ?

[ilukey77]

Hi just quick question for forum members on who's buying the stock Ryzen "ZEN 5" CPU and who is waiting for the X3D?

 

[CountMike]

Hi just quick question for forum members on who's buying the stock zen 5 cpu's and who is waiting for X3d ??

I'm looking for an 9900x or possibly even 9950x to replace recently bought 7900x. Main reasons being better performance with lower power consumption to fit my MB which VRM is rated at 180W and 7950x would be too much for it. Not interested in x3D because gaming is not primary use (see my GPU). 7900/7950x are difficult to cool and get full performance even with best AIO coolers. I don't think that AMD was completely honest about power consumption or there's large variation in "Silicon lottery" because no way to keep temps to 80-85c with more than 140 PPT. even with one of best 360 AIOs, new, bought with 7900x at same time. 50W less on 9000 would be welcome seeing how important temps are for Ryzen. Lowering voltages is not all that helpfull if it needs all that power. Intel seems to have even more problems, CPUs degrading or even failing unles power is reigned in. I'm not in for buying 500-700 bucks more for strong MB. Maybe, just maybe after I see B850 MBs but even that just for chipset features. Doesn't seem to bring anything else. I'm usually catios about new gens and only one I jumped immediatelly was fist gen Ryzen but it was to replace my aging FX 6350 system. Low and behold, Ryzen 1600x I bought first day availabele was 3-4 times faster. Jumped to 1700x and than in fairly fast upgrades to 2700x then 3700x and at end 5800x keeping them on X470 MB till the end.

 

[Phaaze88]

Looking at 9700X or 9800X3D. I play games a little bit, but don't consider myself a gamer.
I know that the benefits of V-cache is situational; the 9700X could be what I pick because of that behavior(amazing when it works, and when it doesn't... nothing), and easier to manage thermals, that's always a plus.

 

[Hotrod2go]

Not going to touch these until official reviews & benchmarks are out; but having said that keeping in mind early bios & chipset driver maturity influence on the results, just like it is with every generation of cpu.
I didn't jump on Zen 4 immediately when released, so I have the same attitude now with Zen 5.

 

[CountMike]

Not going to touch these until official reviews & benchmarks are out; but having said that keeping in mind early bios & chipset driver maturity influence on the results, just like it is with every generation of cpu.
I didn't jump on Zen 4 immediately when released, so I have the same attitude now with Zen 5.

Smart, Zen 5 was delayed from July31 to August because of unspecified production problem with quality.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFtU6xKJVv0

 

[PiersPlowman]

I may adopt AM5 when it is end of life like AM4 is now. Stable, mature, and cheap works for me.

 

[thestryker]

I'm certainly interested in what Zen 5 has to offer, but until there's thorough testing with regards to the IHS and whatever they've changed I won't consider it at all. There's also ARL coming so I think it'd be a pretty silly time to buy unless already on AM5 or need a machine right now.

 

[emitfudd]

If I upgrade I will wait for the X3D versions. Right now I'm perfectly happy with my 5900X.

 

[CountMike]

I may adopt AM5 when it is end of life like AM4 is now. Stable, mature, and cheap works for me.

Zen4/5 is not same thing as socket AM4/5, Zen is generation and AM4/5 is socket type. AM4 already went thru several
Zen generations and AM5 is going to it's second generation soon. First AM5 generation (7000 and 8000 series is already over a year old, more than enough to "mature" and next gen AM5 (9000 series), keeps same but only improved architecture so not much to "mature" either. Uses same socket and chipset, just need appropriate BIOS to fully function.

 

[Reality_checker]

I'm looking for an 9900x or possibly even 9950x to replace recently bought 7900x. Main reasons being better performance with lower power consumption to fit my MB which VRM is rated at 180W and 7950x would be too much for it. Not interested in x3D because gaming is not primary use (see my GPU). 7900/7950x are difficult to cool and get full performance even with best AIO coolers. I don't think that AMD was completely honest about power consumption or there's large variation in "Silicon lottery" because no way to keep temps to 80-85c with more than 140 PPT. even with one of best 360 AIOs, new, bought with 7900x at same time. 50W less on 9000 would be welcome seeing how important temps are for Ryzen. Lowering voltages is not all that helpfull if it needs all that power. Intel seems to have even more problems, CPUs degrading or even failing unles power is reigned in. I'm not in for buying 500-700 bucks more for strong MB. Maybe, just maybe after I see B850 MBs but even that just for chipset features. Doesn't seem to bring anything else. I'm usually catios about new gens and only one I jumped immediatelly was fist gen Ryzen but it was to replace my aging FX 6350 system. Low and behold, Ryzen 1600x I bought first day availabele was 3-4 times faster. Jumped to 1700x and than in fairly fast upgrades to 2700x then 3700x and at end 5800x keeping them on X470 MB till the end.

Sounds like a sidegrade to be honest. And don't expect the 9950X to have a significantly smaller power draw / temperature.

Why do you want to upgrade now? It seems it would be smarter to skip a generation if you already own the previous gen CPU.

 

[Reality_checker]

Looking at 9700X or 9800X3D. I play games a little bit, but don't consider myself a gamer.
I know that the benefits of V-cache is situational; the 9700X could be what I pick because of that behavior(amazing when it works, and when it doesn't... nothing), and easier to manage thermals, that's always a plus.

9700X seems to score around the same as an average-binned i5-13600K in Cinebench R23 based on leaks (under 22K). I would check prices and wait for post-launch reviews before making that decision.

 

[CountMike]

Sounds like a sidegrade to be honest. And don't expect the 9950X to have a significantly smaller power draw / temperature.

Why do you want to upgrade now? It seems it would be smarter to skip a generation if you already own the previous gen CPU.

It is "sidegrade"but that's what I always did, since 1980s, upgrading/changing bit by bit as long as platform lasts and even then just necessary parts, usually keeping GPU, cooling and RAM if possible. Small investments are easier to manage but always staying with near top system. After selling 7900x it would cost me possibly only 50-100 bucks. What is pulling me toward 9900x is lower (-50W)power consumption (this MB is capable of only 180W) and that's too close for comfort with it's 170W +. Even with good 360 AIO it's difficult to keep thermals in check and get full performance. It would be same with 9950x but 4 more cores would compensate for that. Jobs that my PCis (including being a server) is doing pushes system to it's max for prolonged times so keeping power and thermals in check is paramount.

 

[Phaaze88]

9700X seems to score around the same as an average-binned i5-13600K in Cinebench R23 based on leaks (under 22K). I would check prices and wait for post-launch reviews before making that decision.

'Leaks'... /sigh
Cinebench R23... I don't care about that; it doesn't apply to me at all. I don't spend most of my time looking at numbers in the corner of a screen either; that's poison to the mind.

This is just a hobby for me - either cpu will serve me well, with one of them having more situational benefits than the other(I favor consistency).
I'm not one to buy Day 1 - the 1080Ti was an exception - it'll be at least a month before I dive in.

 

[Flayed]

I'm waiting for Zen 6 to fully upgrade and maybe go for a beefier graphics card.

 

[punkncat]

IMO, probably everyone that is actually following recent events. Intel could not have presented a better present to AMD than this CPU debacle.