[SOLVED] OverClocking an I5-3570k 3.4Ghz to 4.4 Ghz ?

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Hello , Just wanted some advice

i recently started my first overclock after days of researching tutorials and forums

My question is there are a lot of posts with variable Voltage Instructions.

For example, I managed to get my CPU to run at 4.4GHZ at 1.16V , ran prime for 12 hours with no errors and max temp of 77c (I'm running a Arctic Bionix with fans on both sides of the radiator), but I've seen a lot of people giving their CPU's 2.75V for 4.4GHZ and am thinking why is their such a huge difference ?

no blue screens as of yet and have defiantly noticed a improvement in Football manager 21 speeds

My set up is 3.4ghz i5-3570k (oc to 4.4ghz)
MoBo is GIGABYTE Z77X-D3H
32gb of corsair 1600mhz ram (4 x 8gb)
Nvidia 970 4gb GPU
 
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1.4 is considered the safe limit for Ivy Bridge, and is still a good rule of thumb with Intel, though it has edged down a little and typically 1.35 is considered max for daily use.
For everyone's benefit:

Each Microarchitecture, which is expressed in "nanometers" (nm), has a “Maximum Recommended Vcore”. For example, it’s important to point out that 22 nanometer 3rd and 4th Generation processors will not tolerate the higher Core voltages of other Microarchitectures.

Here's the Maximum Recommended Vcore per Microarchitecture from 14 to 65 nanometers since 2006:

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We know that over time, excessive voltage and heat damages electronics, so when using manual Vcore settings in BIOS...
2.75 volts would explode the CPU...Not even liquid nitrogen would allow that I would think. Input voltage to the CPU VRMs can be as high as 2+ volts, but that is not core voltage.

1.4 is considered the safe limit for Ivy Bridge, and is still a good rule of thumb with Intel, though it has edged down a little and typically 1.35 is considered max for daily use.
 
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Hello , Just wanted some advice

i recently started my first overclock after days of researching tutorials and forums

My question is there are a lot of posts with variable Voltage Instructions.

For example, I managed to get my CPU to run at 4.4GHZ at 1.16V , ran prime for 12 hours with no errors and max temp of 77c (I'm running a Arctic Bionix with fans on both sides of the radiator), but I've seen a lot of people giving their CPU's 2.75V for 4.4GHZ and am thinking why is their such a huge difference ?

no blue screens as of yet and have defiantly noticed a improvement in Football manager 21 speeds

My set up is 3.4ghz i5-3570k (oc to 4.4ghz)
MoBo is GIGABYTE Z77X-D3H
32gb of corsair 1600mhz ram (4 x 8gb)
Nvidia 970 4gb GPU

Think you're meaning 1.275v
 
My 3570k sat at 1.114v 4.3GHz, happy as a clam all day, never a bsod or temp issue. Wouldn't stay stable at 4.4GHz even pushing 1.55v and every trick in the book, like changing pll to 1.7v, every LLC setting, you name it, I tried it. Silicon lottery indeed.

Yet my i7-3770K (same cpu as i5-3570k with hyperthreading) would hit 5.0GHz at 1.42v but I was happier with 4.9GHz at 1.308v. Again, silicon lottery.

Cpus are made of silicon. Each sheet/batch has differing impurities, some might have trace amounts of gold, some might have trace amounts of lead, or copper or carbon. And those levels of impurities change with the silicon manufacturing process which literally spins a sheet, the center is more pure silicon, the edges have higher concentrations of impurities. That alone makes each single cpu unique. No 2 cpus will ever be identical. They might be close, but when you are looking at nanometer processes, close is subjective.

So each cpu will be slightly different on a microscopic scale. That can easily translate into voltage or current capabilities, basically stability at given frequencies. Cpus will respond differently, instability being something you can actually see.

For stability, use Asus RealBench or Cinebench R20 looped for 10 minutes, until you think you are done tinkering and happy with the results. Then loop it for a minimum of 4hrs, preferably 8hrs. If it can pass that, consider it a successful OC. Don't worry about temps.

Temps use Prime95 small fft, aircooler = 10minutes, liquid cooling = 30minutes. Ivy-Bridge has AVX, so turn that off/disable it.

If the pc is stable, and the temps doable, you are done. The exact numbers do not matter, as long as all of them are within safe ranges.

A i5-3570k at 4.4GHz 1.275v is just as safe as a i5-3570k at 4.4GHz 1.208v or 1.116v.

Batches matter. All those 22nm cpus were fabbed in Oregon, but shipped to either Costa Rica or Malaysia for final assembly. Some cpus ran hotter at lower voltages, some ran higher voltages but cooler, depending on the TIM (Sandy-Bridge was soldered, Ivy-Bridge went with paste) application the assembly process used and the silicon base material.

So you will see differences in voltages, OC ability, temps generally according to the batch number on the cpu itself. It's the cpu built on a Wednesday afternoon vs the cpu built on a Monday morning after dude was up all night fighting with the wife and didn't get any love kinda thing.
 
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1.4 is considered the safe limit for Ivy Bridge, and is still a good rule of thumb with Intel, though it has edged down a little and typically 1.35 is considered max for daily use.
For everyone's benefit:

Each Microarchitecture, which is expressed in "nanometers" (nm), has a “Maximum Recommended Vcore”. For example, it’s important to point out that 22 nanometer 3rd and 4th Generation processors will not tolerate the higher Core voltages of other Microarchitectures.

Here's the Maximum Recommended Vcore per Microarchitecture from 14 to 65 nanometers since 2006:

qmcaTkx.jpg


We know that over time, excessive voltage and heat damages electronics, so when using manual Vcore settings in BIOS, excessive Core voltage and Core temperature can cause accelerated "Electromigration". Processors have multiple layers of hundreds of millions of microscopic nanometer scale components. Electromigration erodes fragile circuit pathways and transistor junctions which results in the degradation of overclock stability, and thus performance.

Although your initial overclock may be stable, degradation doesn't appear until later, when increasingly frequent blue-screen crashes indicate a progressive loss of stability. The more excessive the levels of voltage and heat and the longer they're sustained determines how long until transistor degradation destabilizes your overclock. Decreasing overclock and Vcore may temporarily restore stability and slow the rate of degradation. Extreme overvolting can cause degradation in minutes, but a sensible overclock remains stable for years.

Each Microarchitecture also has a "Degradation Curve". As a rule, CPUs are more susceptible to electromigration and degradation with each Die-shrink. However, the exception to the rule is 14 nanometer (nm) Microarchitecture, where advances in FinFET transistor technology have improved voltage tolerance.

Here's how the Degradation Curves correspond to Maximum Recommended Vcore for 22 nanometer 3rd and 4th Generation, which differs from 14 nanometer 5th through 10th Generation:

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Degradation Curves are relative to the term “Vt (Voltage threshold) Shift” which is expressed in millivolts (mv). Users can not monitor Vt Shift. With respect to overclocking and overvolting, Vt Shift basically represents the potential for permanent loss of normal transistor performance. Excessively high Core voltage drives excessively high Power consumption and Core temperatures, all of which contribute to gradual Vt Shift over time. Core voltages that impose high Vt Shift values are not recommended.

To achieve the highest overclock, keep in mind that for your final 100 MHz increase, a corresponding increase in Core voltage of about 50 millivolts (0.050) is needed to maintain stability. If 70 millivolts (0.070) or more is needed for the next stable 100 MHz increase, it means you're attempting to overclock your processor beyond its capability. All processors reach a limit where an additional increase in Core voltage will not stabilize another 100 MHz increase in Frequency.

Here's an example of a Core Voltage / Frequency Curve:

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With high-end cooling you might reach your Maximum Recommended Vcore limit before you reach the ideal Core temperature limit at 80°C. With low-end cooling you’ll reach 80°C before your Vcore limit. Regardless, whichever overclocking limit you reach first is where you should stop.

Remember to keep overclocking in perspective. For example, the difference between 4.5 and 4.6 GHz is less than 2.3%, which has no noticeable impact on overall system performance. It simply isn’t worth pushing your processor beyond recommended Core voltage and Core temperature limits just to squeeze out another 100 MHz.

CPU Overclocking Guide and Tutorial for Beginners

Intel Extreme Tuning Utility

Intel Performance Maximizer

Ivy-Bridge doesn't contain AVX instruction sets, so you'll not need to worry about that aspect.

For everyone's benefit:

Advanced Vector Extension (AVX) Instruction Sets were introduced with Core i 2nd Generation, then AVX2 with 4th Generation and AVX-512 with later Generations of certain High End Desktop (HEDT) X-Series, Extreme, i9s and i7s. Each AVX Instruction Set is progressively faster in calculation workloads, if you run software that uses AVX codes. Unfortunately, AVX can adversely affect stability by overloading your CPU, which will dramatically increase Power consumption and Core temperatures.

2nd Generation Sandy Bridge processors and 3rd Generation Ivy Bridge processors both have the original AVX Instruction Set, but not the later AVX2 Instruction Set. This is in the Product Specifications website as well as in the Datasheets.

kappsta87,

Here's the nominal operating range for Core temperature:

Core temperatures above 85°C are not recommended.

Core temperatures below 80°C are ideal.

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For testing thermal performance, run Prime95 Small FFTs, but to conform with Intel's Datasheets, be certain to disable AVX for valid results.

CT :sol:
 
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