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Art,
Thanks for all the additional information!
John
"Art Simpson" <Alfred@NOSPAM.ever> wrote in message
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> John Blaustein wrote in message ...
> >Art,
> >
> >See comments below...
> >
> (SNIP)
> >> One comment to John Blaustein though... Overclocking 10% from the BIOS
is
> >> the easy way; but that should result in decreasing your RAM
performance...
> >> I did my overclock manually, (CPU 220Mhz, resulting in an FSB of
880Mhz).
> >> and I recommend SANDRA 2004 SP1 for benchmarking the real performance
> >> increase. That should be a goot tip for you John.
> >
> >While I've been using PCs since 1982, this is the first time I've built
my
> >own machine and I still have a lot to learn about how they work and how
to
> >modify the default settings.
> >
> It's funny you mention this John,
> I too run PC since 1982. Even before that, I had a nice OhioScientific
computer,
> running 6502.. Before that, it was an RCA proto board; Cosmac VIP, and
> I learned my baby steps at a RadioShack Store with the friendly manager,
> and a TRS80.. What memories.
>
> I never doubted your skills.. I just point out something I learned for
myself,
> on a same board. And this too is the first one I build from scratch;
Previous
> ones I would just pick components and let the store assemble them.
> Too busy with my engineering job I guess; Not anymore.
>
> > Several posts warned against using the AI
> >Booster program, so simply setting the AI Overclock in BIOS from Standard
to
> >+10% was all I was comfortable with. I'd hate to change something that
> >would screw things up.
> >
> >If my setting the BIOS to overclock by 10% has reduced the RAM
performance,
> >I will set it back to "Standard." My main use of this PC is for
Photoshop
> >(I'm a photographer), and PS is very RAM intensive. It's my impression
that
> >for PS, RAM performance is more important than CPU speed. I have to say,
> >this PC is so fast already compared to my previous machine -- PIII/1Ghz
> >w/1GB RAM -- that I'm happy with it as-is.
> >
> Samething here;
> Except that I did notice a difference with that slight overclocking.
> It's been years since I overclocked anything. Never much worth the trouble
of
> adding superior HS and ventilation. I run a stock Intel HS and I would
never
> up the CPU or RAM voltage to get better results. Stability is very
important
> here also... That's what SANDRA is also good for. Testing in loop
(burning) mode;
> performance areas you wish. As well as giving you a very detailed view of
your
> hardware and associated performance.
>
> That's how I discovered that upping the CPU clock using AI booster
resulted
> in slightly less ram bandwidth. Doing it directly to the CPU clock which
can be
> increased in 1Mhz steps; I just went for 210Mhz (x8=840Mhz fsb).. That was
fine
> but I could even up this up to 220 and pass all my stability tests...
> It's really simple to do, no hassle and stability is easy to validate
since the
> ASUS temperature monitor is an excellent marker to determine the upper
> temperature limit the CPU reach under stress tests. If it can run hours
like that,
> chances are you'll never experience a problem, and since the voltages are
untouched,
> I feel very safe with it... Upping CPU voltage is something I would not
recommend
> at all since it increases the diode reverse current in every transistors
of the chip.
> and that can really get the silicion hotter. Increasing the CPU clock
should also
> increase temperature from increasing the switching rate of all
transistors, thus
> also dissipating more heat. But that's still well within the limits of the
Intel P4C
> core design. In fact; The CPU's at Intel's factory are mostly made aiming
for
> that 3+Ghz, and some batches perform better than others; Then are marked
> accordingly. In other situations, the CPU wafer contains some chips that
can
> break the barrier and get well beyond specs. Intel can't test each and
everyone.
> Even more, sometimes Intel has to fill the market demand even though it
could have
> loads of 3Ghz ready P4.. It's marked and sold as P4 2.4, or 2.6 or 2.8 ...
> I can't prove this for the current P4.. But this happened for older P3
technology.
>
> Bottom line is that using such an ASUS board and tools; Knowing a bit
about
> the technology can make you feel safe about a slight overclocking that can
> be easily monitored for a couple of days under stress. Then you decide if
your
> hardware integration is stable enough.
>
> I recommend that you take a peek at this article:
>
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/asus-p4p800_7.html
> That's an eye opener for P4P800 / P4C800 interested dudes.
> But it explains the PAT technology a little and tips.
>
> What's important is to enable MAM in the BIOS.
> Then there is another setting that helps to gain RAM speed as well.
> The options are AUTO, STANDARD, and TURBO.
> Don't go TURBO.. STANDARD would be nice if it worked, but it's better
> to set it AUTO (default), and go right in the next section to manually get
> the CPU about 10% faster clock.. The first thing to check is if it posts
and
> boots. Then monitor the temparature; Then SANDRA bench and stability
tests.
> That's certainly easy for an experienced photographer.
>
> >I see that there is now a Sandra 2004 SP2a (9.131). I assume I should
get
> >that version if I decide to start fooling around with more sophisticated
> >overclocking. Are you familiar with a benchmarking utility called PC
> >Wizard? Does it do the same thing?
> >
> Not familiar with PC Wizard as I'm very cautious about shareware and
freeware
> around that could carry trojans or viris (not to implie PC Wizard is). I
just know
> for a fact how great SANDRA works and widely used and known from the
community.
> Available also from sites such as download dot com... I not an
overclocking maniac either.
> SANDRA is without nags, free to use in the basic version and excellent.
>
> I'm not a benchamrking freak anymore.. And you'll agree that with a P4C in
the 3Ghz
> range and 800+Mhz FSB, and a great HD capable of 45Mb/s STR on that
motherboard;
> I'm not worried, nor interested in downloading these 178MB video bench
tools.
> I read everything in tons of article to correlate the reviewers results.
I'm satisfied.
> SANDRA gives graphical performance curves as well; Then I use it mostly to
determine
> if it's working within specs before I try a little overclock.
>
> I would recommend SANDRA even blindfolded.
>
> >If it's not too complicated, can you tell me how to go about manually
> >setting the overclocking in BIOS? (My RAM is Mushkin, PC3200 Blue,
4x512MB
> >DIMMS DDRAM -- total 2GB RAM.)
> >
> I did it above; Really... There is nothing else than getting all the AI
boosting OFF,
> and default.. Then get the CPU clock to 220Mhz 1:1 ratio means 8x to the
FSB.
> If your system is not stable at 220Mhz CPU.. Lower it to 210... It could
be the video
> that does not hold the 881Mhz speed... Better luck next time then... No
big deal I agree.
> But a 10% stable overclock, no hassle, for FREE is something great to use.
> BTW; Vid card is Radeon 9800Pro (with DVI/TV out) here...Like a charm with
stock
> drivers on CD; All under win2KPro + Linux... Linux also runs with flying
colors at this overclock
> speed...Oh, don't forget to turn MAM ON !.. Although I don't know if PAT
is working with four sticks.
> SANDRA tests would tell.
>
> Running 2Gigs (4 sticks) is a bit trickier to get stable overclocked
system (some specialist say).
> But I don't think it's gonna matter much, Mushkin as an excellent brand.
My ram is in theory
> of lesser quality. but I use only two slots (blue) for a total of 1GB.
>
> If you take a little time to setup the 'geek' details now; You'll enjoy a
better system for the years
> to come... Running Sandra will show you if that 10% AI overclock cripples
the bandwidth and if
> my recommendation does better. If the overclock does not work; You'll
still be able to 'TUNE'
> your machine with SANDRA's precious infos, to perfection.. The heck with
overclocking if it
> does not work.. I agree this BOARd and current P4 and 800Mhz FSB
technology rocks...
>
> P.S.. I also use CANON camera for my photos; SONY Digital8 firewire video
on 8mm tapes,
> and a truckload of video applications for DvD authoring. We do have lots
in common John;
> I'll be watching your posts in this forum for a while... Any questions;
I'm here. !
>
> >Best,
> >
> >John
>
> No.. You the best
> Art,
>
>
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