P5W DH Deluxe newbie (HD)Instalation help desperately needed

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HI, I have just build a system yesterday with the components listed in my sig, i had great dificulty instaling my 2 IDE hd's and my dvd (ide) drive, as well as my cd-rw drive(ide) after that 5 or so hours i managed to get the system running but with only 1 hd, and the dvd drive, but i would like to use all all of my drives, so far i know that the blue IDE connector on the mobo supports atapi (the optical drives) and the other one(black one) doesnt even recognise them (no atapi support) I have tried many combinations of conecting all 2 hd's and those 2 optical drives, but unfortunetly all failed. I had to be able to use the pc by today so finaly at 3:15 am after i just got the 1 hd, and the dvd player working, and installed windows i just gave up...i was just happy that i had windows installed so i could use ms office.


Is there anyone that would know how should i set up this hardware so i would be able to use both (those 2)hd's and 2 optical drives?




P.S. I connected the hd and the dvd drive to the blue ide connector(on the mobo) ...a bit weird, but the optical drive is the frst one conected to the ribon cable, then in the middle i have the hd(there is quite a bit of a distance in my case betwean the upper (optical) drive slots, and the hd cage, the hd is set to master(in its jumpers)and the dvd drive is set to slave(in the back jumpers)....but the weird thing is that the bios recognizes this as teh "third hd master, and the third optical slave" which is quite weird...or is it normal, and it does not have to be the primary master/slave(which i always had on my old pc)

btw the whole system seams to be slow, just after i installed windows, at times it is even slower than my previouse pc(pIV 1.7, 512mb, of ram, and ati's radeon 7500aiw) this all seams a bit weird, but shouldnt this build be much much faster? even if I am instaling lets say an app the 1 core is almost maxed out, the second is maby 10% but the entire system slowes down to almost a halt(and it did stop couple times, for about 3 or 4 seconds)...could it be the memory(it was recognized without issues), btw where in the bios do i set up the ram timing? (i saw no option to do so), btw im using win xp home, sp2 version 2002(and i also had some issues with sp2 on my old build thats why i stayed with sp1 not sp2 , is that maby the case? how can i deleate sp2? (i used to do that in the add/remove apps, in the control panel, but now its not even isible)

Thank You for all replies, greately aprecieated.
 
I also tried to install a game thich i installed on my old pc it took me nearly 3 hours to install it (battle for middle earth 2 , about 5 gigs), i think it was 2hours and 35 minutes, and on the old pc it took me i think around 40 minutes (max) so this all seams to be quite weird, but actualy when i run the game it worked all fine without any issues all setings on high

and also is this normal? why do i have so so many primary, and secondary drives listed in my device manager?
hers alink to the screanshot of it:

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hddcc4.jpg


thx for replies
 
That picture is because of the SATA ports on your board, so don't worry about them. My better question is are you positive that power supply can handle all of the parts? I had a 480-Watt PSU when I switched to this board (The Antec NeoPower-480 to be exact) and that sucker couldn't hang. I replaced it with a 600-Watt Xion PSU and it works like a champ.

Now granted my experience with PATA hard disks on this board is limited since I've been using SATA hard disks for two years now. I can honestly say that the side PATA-IDE connector is specifically for Optical Drives (CD/DVD Rom Drives) and the Bottom PATA-IDE connector near the PCI slots is for Hard Disk Drives. No mixing and matching, otherwise they will not recognize and/or result in a no boot situation. (took me about an hour of mixing and matching parts before I figured out optical drives can ONLY be plugged into the side connector)

If you could provide the full technical part list of your rig I might be able to see more, like all the drives etc... Thanks.
 
Hi, thx for the reply, were can i find a complete list of drivers? So far i installed everything that came with the motherboard cd(the shound drivers, wireless drivers(althou I will not be using it) , i got the ati cataclyst drivers, logitech mouse drivers.

btw i tired connecting the dvd drive to the blu connector as slave, and the hd to the black one (on the botom of the mothertboard) as master inthe jumpers and the bios only recognized the dvd drive, and did not even recognize the hd, is it posible that the hd is treated as atapi?(so it does not recognize it?) also later on the instaled windows didnt work in this configuration it showed that 5 or 6 lines of text stating that some hardware chyanges were made, and that caused the issues.

this is the list of the hardware that i am using:
-asus p5w dh deluxe motherboard
-core 2 duo e6600
- sapphire radeon x850xt
-2 gigs of corsair xms2 ddr2 800 ram (5-5-5-12)
-200gb hd
-pioneer dvd player
-Thermaltake purepower 480W psu(peak output 550W)(18A, only 1 rail))

and i wanted to add another 40gb hd, and a Yamaha F1 cd-rw drive (it was recognized when i swapped it with the dvd player)

so could the slow boot, and noise problems be caused by a not sufficient psu? I would say the psu is fine, when i played a game (far cry just to check it out) i could put all visuals on high/ultra, with the gpu fan running on max, and i had no lagg whatsoever at all,

and i also checked the pc probe 2 that came on the cd with the mobo and it showes my voltages a bit abofe what they should be, the 12+V is 12.14, +5v is 5.17, +3.3V is 3.38, v core is 1.30v/1.32 v , cpu temp is 35C, mobo is 41C, cpu fans speed is 1088rpm, power is 2177rpm(dont know if this helpes in anything but just copied the readouts from pc probe.

inregards to noise, whenever windows played a sound lets say even the initial llogin/windows start sound the sound did shutter, and break(as if a vinil tape would be played andthen someone stoped it with his finger), but when i tried to play a sample music file from windows media player there was no issue, also when i was configuring the dh sound options using that dolby digital wizard with that 3d sound, the sound was perfect, i just have no clue whats wrong

also everything seams to be so slow, even when i move the mouse sursor it seams to be a bit "laggy", atleast a bit more than it was on mu old pc, and when i use 1 aplication lets say the windows media player the entire system is a bit bugged down and the cpu (1 core) deosnt even go above 20, and the second core is usually 10%, even while installing things the max i saw of the first core go to 50% (around that), is there maby an issue with the motherboard itselfe? or is it a not sufficient psu?

one more thing, the boot takes a wery long time, with my old pc it took max 2 minutes (or 2:20) and now it takes me good 5 minutes to even see the desktop, not mentioning loading all things, and after i see the windows loading bar(the blue thingy that moves to the right at begining) the monitor turns black for about 209 seconds and then I see the windows starting screan (the welcome to windows one)


Honestly i have no idea whats wrong with all this, did i maby configure my bios incorectly, is there maby a place where i could check which bios setings should be disabled, or enebled, and other options,

when i checked the resources that were used (i forgot how to do it) there were a lot of them and there were some conflicts i think 6 or 7 mainly with the sapphire x850xt, so maby this is the main cause of the problems

thx for the replies
 
The "laggy" problem you have is what you get when Windows is failing to initialize the video drivers. Try reinstalling your ATI drivers from the CD (If you already did that use the website). This happens sometimes, I had it when I had an X800XT. There is no real hardware conflicts page, but you can go to the device manager to see if anything is coming up with a yellow question or exclamation mark.

The PSU might be ok then, the BIOS seems to also be on the latest version. What model/manufacturer are the 2 CD/DVD drives and the 2 HDD's? It is possible one of them has special concerns to take into account.

*EDIT* The picture you posted above is for DirectX troubleshooting, try expanding everything in device manager and posting a screenshot of that. Might give me more of an idea of whats in the box.
 
thank you very much for the fast reply, the hd is a maxtore 200gb(i also have a western digital 40gb (but i have data on it that i didnt want to loose thats why i didnt play much with it but it did react identicaly as the other hd ) the dvd drive is a 117va but in the device manager it "calls it" the 117R, i have no woarnings in the devica manager, but something is new now a realtek wireles is now with an red X(but i gues thats because i disabled it )

screanshots of of the devica manager:

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled4ug2.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled5st3.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled6gf2.jpg
 
btw i only downloaded the drivers form ati (the newest catalyst) i didnt use the cd taht came with the sapphire's card, should i use that oneinstead? those drivers on the cd are old (i think cataclyst 4 something old)
 
I'm at work, so I'm checking this periodically. Whoa lunch time! Anyway, yes remove the current catalyst drivers and use the one from the CD, then once they are installed see if they fix that laggy problem. If they do, go ahead and install the latest catalyst over top of them. If not, well I'll have to think about that. Thats a strange DVD Drive, I'll look up the model after lunch, the 40GB drive will need to be the slave. The 200 should be set as master, both should be plugged into the black controller. And not to be a douchebag, but make sure all the power plugs and IDE cables are firmly connected, never hurts to be sure.
 
Thank You for Your time, I myselfe have to leave home soon(in about 30 to 45 minutes)and i will be back late in the evening.
I will check out the drivers from the cd in a moment and report on it as soon as i manage to do so.

In regards to the hd's i tried to connect 1 hd(200gb one) on its own to the black (botom) ide connection set as master and the dvd drive to the blue conection set as slave, teh result was that only the dvd drive got recognized, the hd did not, it seams that only the ble connection recognizes both the hd, and the optical(atapi) drives, i find this to be quite odd, i thought that i will be able to plug in those 2 optical drives to the blue connection, and the 2 hd's to the black connection (with master/slave settings respectively) but i gues i was wrong, I will try it again as soon i try to install the new(old cd) drivers(althou i might not manage to do so before i leave, and then i will be back late today past 8pm (eastern time), ill report on the results as soon as possible.

I just hope that it is not a motherboard issue(the hd/optical problems, and the sound issues), and i would not have to rma it back

Thank You again for the help, much aprecieated.
 
Set all drives to Cable Select (CS)! The connector furthest from the middle connector goes to the motherboard. The middle connector will be Slave and the end connector will be Master. Disable SATA controllers/Ports. Both HDs should go on Primary, both optical drives on secondary. Check BIOS is set to Autodetect.
Mike.
 
i found out that i needed a monitor driver, my monitor is not recognized, i found a mad innovisin driver, but the way they describe it on their siter(the install does not work i do not even have any options to open from) i remember there was another way to inastall the dirvers just to put it in a file folder somewhere in the windows folder, but i forgot how to do it, i tried the install new hardware but the pc didnt recognize it at all.
i uninstalled so far the old drivers, actualy with no drivers the "jumping" of the mouse dissapeared so i guess it was all a driver issue, You were right thank You, and i could not install the original drivers from the cd, because it stated that i need to install the drivers for the vga, and now i dont know how to do that, ill be here for the next couple of minutes, then i have to leave, and ill try to work on it when i come back.
 
What are the brands of HDDs you are trying to use? I have a WD 200GB hdd that causes a real delay at boot and is not detected if is on a chain with a different brand of hdd (tried a maxtor and a seagate with no luck). Hooked up my WD 250gb and all is good, or leaving it alone was good. The only way I could get the WD and a non WD to work together was on an addon pata raid controller....
 
That is very strange. It should not need a VGA driver to install the Catalyst drivers. Catalyst IS the VGA driver. Now what might be the case is it has no monitor driver, and thus can't install Catalyst. Where did you get the monitor drivers from? Link me!
 
hi hers a link that i got from the lcd manufacturer's site

http://www.maginnovision.com/download.htm it is the first link there are many fioles in the folder after downloading it (each one is ment to be used with specific monitors) i have a magg innovisions lcd model #: 780 product number: LT765 so i have to look for the right file there i did this about 2 or 3 years ago, i forgot how to do it now, i had to simply copy and paste it in a right file in the c:\ windows if im not mistaken (somewhere there), i forgot where precisely



in regards to the hd's i have a 200gb maxtor, and a 40gb western digital, at present the 300gb one works with the dvd drive (only these 2 things worked, or others, but only 2 that is only 1 hd and 1 optical drive , didnt mater if it was the western digital or maxtor, or the dvd drive, or the cd burner) 🙁
 
thx for 4 the linq, i learned quite a bit about some things there not particularly helping my case with the hd's and all but I found there interestin, and very helpful information there, thx again.
 
ok lol...just got it, I HAVE GOOD NEWS 😀 IT ALL WORKS (except my video issues) ....lol brace Yourselfe for the answer to both the hd and optical drives issue, and the "sound issue", they were both "fixed at once", if i may say so, honeslty i would never thought of this but that "either You (the pc) or I will win here" feeling overcame me after yet another atmept to set the optical drives, and the dh'2 (it took me almost 2.5 hours ...today but i did it)
and here is how it goes(skiping the "most boring" parts) :wink:

I tried to just plug in the hd (only 1 hd that had windows installed on it) it didnt show up at all, when conected to the botom black ide connection, so i plugged it to the blue conection , and it worked, so i aded a second hd, and both were recognized on the blue conection, now i tried to put the optical drives(od) on the black conection but they were not recognized, all things (the hd or the od's) were recognized when they were conected to the blue conection on the motherboard, but it seames as if the black ide conection didnt work at all with anything at all, after about an hour of rechecking the pins, and the cables(went threw 3 different ribon types of cables, the ones supplied with the mobo, and others i had before, the more"aerodinamic ones" :wink: , nothing woked, i finaly connected the 2 hd's to the black conection, and the 2 od's to the black one, and finaly when i booted just when i usually did hit delete to go to bios to check id the hardware was recognized, I just decided to let it go, and not hit the delete key, and I waited to see what eror will apear this time, but nothing hapened, all went well, the windows screan apeared, then the welcome one, and then the desktop, and all this since i turned on the pc till the desktop was loaded just took a minute and 15 seconds (nice and fast compared to what was before almost 5 minutes), so all in all even if bios does not recognize a particular optical device it might still work in windows, (checked them the dvd drive did play movies, so not only they "are", in windows but also tey work) ....i would never have thought of this, i thought that if its not recognized it will not "be there"

lol Im so happy that it al woked out so far, I just hope that I will not have any surprises such as the system will fail one day, or the drives will "dissapear on me", is there any chance of that happening in this case? that is bios doesnt see it, and windows does ? Was then something wrong with the motherboard itselfe? lol maby the black, blue conectors were "misplaced" during asembly, hopefully this will not cause any issues further down the road.

Thank You all for the help and sugestions to my problems, now there is one more:

How do I fix my driver issue? hm....I might give it another try to install the newest cataclyst drivers, and see what happens, i might get lucky and maby there will be no more "gittering", maby the whole hd connections helped, if that fixed the sound issues that i had before, maby the video wil work out as well, I will report back as soon as I can.
thx
 
Well most monitors simply use the generic Windows VGA driver, oddly enough yours doesn't. For WindowsXP (I assume with your new rig it's XP, anything less would be a shame) place the ICM file into C:\Windows\system32\spool\drivers\color LOL but after reviewing your folder of files, if you extract them all to a folder on your desktop, and simply right click on the INF file, and press Install, it will place them all into the correct folder, and register it to the system, then simply reboot and you should be smokin. Load Catalyst afterwards and you should be done.
 
Hi, I did install the catalyst as i mentioned yesterday, it installed itselfe without any issues, and after I installed it the yellow questionmarks in the device manager dissapeared, so i gues it was all tied to the hard drive issue, which i find a bit weird, but i guess they audio and video were both dependant upon the hd's. Thank You for all the help, btw there is one minor thing I would like to ask about, now everytime i reboot, and get to the desktop a JMicron JR036x RAID failure message pops out, the one which states that there have been an issue and would i like o inform microsoft of it one, should i reinstall the drivers for Jmicron which came on the cd with the motherboard?

Thank You.
 
Well its probably easier to not risk it, unless your planning to use RAID on the regular SATA ports (not the orange EZ_Backup ones) just go into the device manager and disable the RAID controller. But if you are planning to use RAID on the standard SATA ports, then yea go ahead and reinstall it.
 
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