Question PC Build 2000euro for Stable Diffusion AI and 1440p gaming

[ars.arch01]

Hello everyone! Hop you are having a nice day and in a good mood!)
I am thinking of building new PC with a budget of 1500-2200euro for working with Stable Diffusion AI and 1440p gaming...for next 5 years or so.
Also working with Sketchup+Enscape, 3dsmax+Corona, Photoshop

My current machine that I built in 2018 is...
CPU - i7-7820X 8x 3.6 GHz So. 2066 WOF + Noctua NH-D15S
PSU - 750Watt Seasonic Plus modular 80+ Gold
Drive - 500Gb Samsung evo 2.5 SATA + 2x2Tb Seagate HDD
MoBo - Asrock Fatality X299 Gaming K6 Intelx2999 so. 2066 quad channel ddr4 ATX
RAM - 32Gb Quad Kit ddr4-3200 CL16-18-18-38
What would you recommend? I have never had any parts from AMD...usually Intel+NVidia, would be happy to hear abouth both options if you recommend of course )) I heard AMD has more VRAM which is important for Stable Diffusion, but nvidia is more supported, or how?
Or should I just echange some parts and save the money, but for how long...
I live in Germany and already have a screen BENQ 27in 144hz

Anyways, Thank you very much in advance !!!

 

[Why_Me]

What country are you located?

 

[ars.arch01]

What country are you located?

I live in Germany, and I already have a screen 27inches 144 Hz, that I will keep

 

[Lucky_SLS]

If you are ok with 8 cores (assuming that the GPU does all the work with your stable diffusion), you can upgrade just the parts you need and resue the cooler, ssd, case, storage , rams and PSU:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (€289.00 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (€122.90 @ Alza)
Video Card: KFA2 SG (1-Click OC) GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card (€876.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Total: €1288.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-07 09:24 CEST+0200

or you could even get the 4080: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product...eforce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-48nzm6md6ltk

You would just have to get the pcie 5.0 12 pin cable. lucky that 650/750W is the minimum spec for powering it as per seasonic. https://seasonic.com/12vhpwr-cable

 

[Why_Me]

I live in Germany, and I already have a screen 27inches 144 Hz, that I will keep

Contact Noctua for a free LGA-1700 mounting bracket for your cpu cooler.

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Fractal Design Focus 2 Mid Tower Case €74,99

https://geizhals.de/arctic-p12-pwm-schwarz-acfan00119a-a1920124.html
Arctic P12 PWM 120mm 4-Pin Case Fan €4,49

https://geizhals.de/nzxt-c-series-2022-c850-gold-850w-atx-2-52-pa-8g1bb-eu-a2740363.html
NZXT C850 (2022) 850W 80+ Gold ATX Modular Power Supply €114,41

https://geizhals.de/msi-b760-gaming-plus-wifi-7d98-007r-a2962812.html
MSI B760 Gaming Plus WIFI €173,44

https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i7-13700f-cm8071504820806-a2871158.html
Intel Core i7-13700F €369,99

https://geizhals.de/g-skill-ripjaws-s5-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-rs5k-a2722030.html
G.Skill Ripjaws S5 DDR5-6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL30 €114,74

Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB ab € 124,89 (2024) | Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

✔ Preisvergleich für Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Kapazität: 2TB • Bauform: Solid State Module (SSM) • Formfaktor: M.2 2280 • Schnittstelle: M.2/M-Key (PCI… ✔ Solid State Drives (SSD) ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

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Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVME SSD €103,89

https://geizhals.de/msi-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-ventus-3x-12g-oc-a2871177.html
MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Ventus 3X OC 12GB Video Card €878,00

Total: €1833,95

A better look at those components.

Focus 2

Focus 2 offers a precise straight-forward design which has been carefully engineered to leverage its airflow potential. Its innovative approach to the internal layout creates flow throughout the case, making it enjoyable to build and upgrade in, while optimizing direct cooling to components.

www.fractal-design.com

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn770-ssd-review

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn770-nvme-ssd#WDS200T3X0E

MSI GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti VENTUS 3X 12G OC | Graphics Card | MSI Global

GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti VENTUS 3X 12G OC featuring a fresh new triple fan design with a sturdy brushed aluminum backplate reinforces the full length of graphics card while providing passive cooling. Also TORX Fan 4.0 provides more concentrated airflow.

www.msi.com

 

[Lucky_SLS]

^ He already has a NH-D15S, so that definitely can be reused !

 

[Why_Me]

^ He already has a NH-D15S, so that definitely can be reused !

Post edited and thanks for the heads up ^^

 

[ars.arch01]

If you are ok with 8 cores (assuming that the GPU does all the work with your stable diffusion), you can upgrade just the parts you need and resue the cooler, ssd, case, storage , rams and PSU:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (€289.00 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (€122.90 @ Alza)
Video Card: KFA2 SG (1-Click OC) GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card (€876.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Total: €1288.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-07 09:24 CEST+0200

or you could even get the 4080: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product...eforce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-48nzm6md6ltk

You would just have to get the pcie 5.0 12 pin cable. lucky that 650/750W is the minimum spec for powering it as per seasonic. https://seasonic.com/12vhpwr-cable

I think it is a really good idea to reuse what I already have in my build...I only wonder how much longer can those parts last...but actually they aren't that expencive to replace.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

I think it is a really good idea to reuse what I already have in my build...I only wonder how much longer can those parts last...but actually they aren't that expencive to replace.

the rams, case, cooler are all long lasting parts.

PSU, fans (bearings), SSD you might think about getting a new one depending on the age.

The question boils down to are you happy with the current parts? if yes, i see little reason to swap for new parts.

 

[ars.arch01]

the rams, case, cooler are all long lasting parts.

PSU, fans (bearings), SSD you might think about getting a new one depending on the age.

The question boils down to are you happy with the current parts? if yes, i see little reason to swap for new parts.

Thanks for a quick reply=)

all those parts work fine now...never had problems with my current build actually, never had to change or repair anything...
I already got a new 2TB 970 evo ssd (not installed yet), and might get another one.
I just dont want to have situation when ...you know the saying "cheap one pazs twice".
Never had AMD or Radeon so I dont know about those parts, and their performace in Sketchup+Enscape, 3dmax+Corona, Stable Diffusion.
The point is also if I replace only parts...I doubt I can sell the old ones on Ebay...and dont want to lose money

 

[Lucky_SLS]

I would suggest going with Nvidia for GPU. their driver and cuda support is good.

AMD cpu, especially the 5800X3D is a solid option. all the problems have been ironed out as its a tested and matured platform (AM4)

 

[Why_Me]

I would suggest going with Nvidia for GPU. their driver and cuda support is good.

AMD cpu, especially the 5800X3D is a solid option. all the problems have been ironed out as its a tested and matured platform (AM4)

Why would you choose the 5800X3D over the 13 gen i7?

 

[Lucky_SLS]

the cpu cost about 100 euro less, leaving more room for the gpu budget.

the B550 and B760 mobo cost about the same.

 

[ars.arch01]

If you are ok with 8 cores (assuming that the GPU does all the work with your stable diffusion), you can upgrade just the parts you need and resue the cooler, ssd, case, storage , rams and PSU:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (€289.00 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (€122.90 @ Alza)
Video Card: KFA2 SG (1-Click OC) GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card (€876.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Total: €1288.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-07 09:24 CEST+0200

or you could even get the 4080: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product...eforce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-48nzm6md6ltk

You would just have to get the pcie 5.0 12 pin cable. lucky that 650/750W is the minimum spec for powering it as per seasonic. https://seasonic.com/12vhpwr-cable

Contact Noctua for a free LGA-1700 mounting bracket for your cpu cooler.

Noctua kündigt kostenlose Montage-Upgrades und aktualisierte CPU-Kühler für LGA1700 an

Noctuas in Österreich designte Premium-Kühlungskomponenten sind für ihre superbe Laufruhe, hervorragende Leistung und ausgezeichnete Qualität bekannt.

noctua.at

LGA1700 order form

Noctuas in Österreich designte Premium-Kühlungskomponenten sind für ihre superbe Laufruhe, hervorragende Leistung und ausgezeichnete Qualität bekannt.

noctua.at

Fractal Design Focus 2, schwarz, Glasfenster ab € 68,44 (2024) | Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

✔ Preisvergleich für Fractal Design Focus 2, schwarz, Glasfenster ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Extern: N/A • Intern: 2x 3.5", 2x 2.5", 4x 2.5" (optional) • Anschlüsse: 2x USB-A 3.0 (5Gb/s), 1x 3.5mm K… ✔ PC-Gehäuse ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

geizhals.de

Fractal Design Focus 2 Mid Tower Case €74,99

https://geizhals.de/arctic-p12-pwm-schwarz-acfan00119a-a1920124.html
Arctic P12 PWM 120mm 4-Pin Case Fan €4,49

https://geizhals.de/nzxt-c-series-2022-c850-gold-850w-atx-2-52-pa-8g1bb-eu-a2740363.html
NZXT C850 (2022) 850W 80+ Gold ATX Modular Power Supply €114,41

https://geizhals.de/msi-b760-gaming-plus-wifi-7d98-007r-a2962812.html
MSI B760 Gaming Plus WIFI €173,44

https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i7-13700f-cm8071504820806-a2871158.html
Intel Core i7-13700F €369,99

https://geizhals.de/g-skill-ripjaws-s5-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-rs5k-a2722030.html
G.Skill Ripjaws S5 DDR5-6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL30 €114,74

Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB ab € 124,89 (2024) | Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

✔ Preisvergleich für Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Kapazität: 2TB • Bauform: Solid State Module (SSM) • Formfaktor: M.2 2280 • Schnittstelle: M.2/M-Key (PCI… ✔ Solid State Drives (SSD) ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

geizhals.de

Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVME SSD €103,89

https://geizhals.de/msi-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-ventus-3x-12g-oc-a2871177.html
MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Ventus 3X OC 12GB Video Card €878,00

Total: €1833,95

A better look at those components.

Focus 2

Focus 2 offers a precise straight-forward design which has been carefully engineered to leverage its airflow potential. Its innovative approach to the internal layout creates flow throughout the case, making it enjoyable to build and upgrade in, while optimizing direct cooling to components.

www.fractal-design.com

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn770-ssd-review

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn770-nvme-ssd#WDS200T3X0E

MSI GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti VENTUS 3X 12G OC | Graphics Card | MSI Global

GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti VENTUS 3X 12G OC featuring a fresh new triple fan design with a sturdy brushed aluminum backplate reinforces the full length of graphics card while providing passive cooling. Also TORX Fan 4.0 provides more concentrated airflow.

www.msi.com

after some of recomendations and self research I think I will go for this GPU

KFA Geforce rtx 4080 ST (or should I take SG, what is the difference?)

detected

What do you think about it, and what would you recommend to build around it as Motherboard and CPU, I think I will re-use all my other parts - these two parts together for 500-600 euro?
Or is it critical to upgrade my PSU for 750W and my RAM* I am afraid it will be slow.
I would want minimum 8+8 cores CPU, and then of course I am ready to extend the budget...

Thank you very much !

 

[Why_Me]

850W for a RTX 4080.

https://geizhals.de/nzxt-c-series-2022-c850-gold-850w-atx-2-52-pa-8g1bb-eu-a2740363.html
NZXT C850 (2022) 850W 80+ Gold ATX Modular Power Supply €114,41

https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i7-13700f-cm8071504820806-a2871158.html
Intel Core i7-13700F €369,99

Intel® Core™ i7-13700F Processor (30M Cache, up to 5.20 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i7-13700F Processor (30M Cache, up to 5.20 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.com

DDR4
https://geizhals.de/msi-pro-b760-p-wifi-ddr4-7d98-001r-a2872219.html
MSI PRO B760-P WIFI DDR4 €144,87

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B760-P-WIFI-DDR4

DDR5
https://geizhals.de/msi-b760-gaming-plus-wifi-7d98-007r-a2962812.html
MSI B760 Gaming Plus WIFI €173,44

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://geizhals.de/g-skill-ripjaws-s5-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-rs5k-a2722030.html
G.Skill Ripjaws S5 DDR5-6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL30 €114,74

 

[ars.arch01]

Contact Noctua for a free LGA-1700 mounting bracket for your cpu cooler.

Noctua kündigt kostenlose Montage-Upgrades und aktualisierte CPU-Kühler für LGA1700 an

Noctuas in Österreich designte Premium-Kühlungskomponenten sind für ihre superbe Laufruhe, hervorragende Leistung und ausgezeichnete Qualität bekannt.

noctua.at

LGA1700 order form

Noctuas in Österreich designte Premium-Kühlungskomponenten sind für ihre superbe Laufruhe, hervorragende Leistung und ausgezeichnete Qualität bekannt.

noctua.at

Fractal Design Focus 2, schwarz, Glasfenster ab € 68,44 (2024) | Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

✔ Preisvergleich für Fractal Design Focus 2, schwarz, Glasfenster ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Extern: N/A • Intern: 2x 3.5", 2x 2.5", 4x 2.5" (optional) • Anschlüsse: 2x USB-A 3.0 (5Gb/s), 1x 3.5mm K… ✔ PC-Gehäuse ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

geizhals.de

Fractal Design Focus 2 Mid Tower Case €74,99

https://geizhals.de/arctic-p12-pwm-schwarz-acfan00119a-a1920124.html
Arctic P12 PWM 120mm 4-Pin Case Fan €4,49

https://geizhals.de/nzxt-c-series-2022-c850-gold-850w-atx-2-52-pa-8g1bb-eu-a2740363.html
NZXT C850 (2022) 850W 80+ Gold ATX Modular Power Supply €114,41

https://geizhals.de/msi-b760-gaming-plus-wifi-7d98-007r-a2962812.html
MSI B760 Gaming Plus WIFI €173,44

https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i7-13700f-cm8071504820806-a2871158.html
Intel Core i7-13700F €369,99

https://geizhals.de/g-skill-ripjaws-s5-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-rs5k-a2722030.html
G.Skill Ripjaws S5 DDR5-6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL30 €114,74

Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB ab € 124,89 (2024) | Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

✔ Preisvergleich für Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Kapazität: 2TB • Bauform: Solid State Module (SSM) • Formfaktor: M.2 2280 • Schnittstelle: M.2/M-Key (PCI… ✔ Solid State Drives (SSD) ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

geizhals.de

Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVME SSD €103,89

https://geizhals.de/msi-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-ventus-3x-12g-oc-a2871177.html
MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Ventus 3X OC 12GB Video Card €878,00

Total: €1833,95

A better look at those components.

Focus 2

Focus 2 offers a precise straight-forward design which has been carefully engineered to leverage its airflow potential. Its innovative approach to the internal layout creates flow throughout the case, making it enjoyable to build and upgrade in, while optimizing direct cooling to components.

www.fractal-design.com

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn770-ssd-review

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn770-nvme-ssd#WDS200T3X0E

MSI GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti VENTUS 3X 12G OC | Graphics Card | MSI Global

GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti VENTUS 3X 12G OC featuring a fresh new triple fan design with a sturdy brushed aluminum backplate reinforces the full length of graphics card while providing passive cooling. Also TORX Fan 4.0 provides more concentrated airflow.

www.msi.com

the cpu cost about 100 euro less, leaving more room for the gpu budget.

the B550 and B760 mobo cost about the same.

850W for a RTX 4080.

https://geizhals.de/nzxt-c-series-2022-c850-gold-850w-atx-2-52-pa-8g1bb-eu-a2740363.html
NZXT C850 (2022) 850W 80+ Gold ATX Modular Power Supply €114,41

https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i7-13700f-cm8071504820806-a2871158.html
Intel Core i7-13700F €369,99

Intel® Core™ i7-13700F Processor (30M Cache, up to 5.20 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i7-13700F Processor (30M Cache, up to 5.20 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.com

DDR4
https://geizhals.de/msi-pro-b760-p-wifi-ddr4-7d98-001r-a2872219.html
MSI PRO B760-P WIFI DDR4 €144,87

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B760-P-WIFI-DDR4

DDR5
https://geizhals.de/msi-b760-gaming-plus-wifi-7d98-007r-a2962812.html
MSI B760 Gaming Plus WIFI €173,44

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://geizhals.de/g-skill-ripjaws-s5-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-rs5k-a2722030.html
G.Skill Ripjaws S5 DDR5-6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL30 €114,74

So at last

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/z7RP2m

I am reusing my Noctua fan as well as some HDD, SSD SATA, case and all fans for system from current Build I have for 5 years already

I was also giving a thought to RX 7900 XTX...but it would also require to swith the AI tool a bit to NOD.Ai with different interface, and unfamiliar support as far as I understand it.
What do you think about such an upgrade?

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Nvidia seems the better choice for any AI related work. if u think NOD.ai is better with radeon, go ahead. but i am not the expert.

Chose the SG version purely for its higher boost clock.