[SOLVED] PC Crashes whenever game starts

[BlueFrog]

Hello everyone, I've been having an issue with my PC lately. Whenever I start a game or FurMark, my PC will crash and restart. I consulted with some people on r/PCMasterRace and did some research on my own and I got it narrowed down to likely GPU or PSU error. So i picked a solution that would maybe fix both, I upgraded my gtx 760 graphics card to a gtx 1050 ti, however my PC is still crashing! I'm quite desperate now and still have no clue what the issue could be. Someone suggested CPU overheating, but my idle temp is ~25C and it's an instant crash on any game startup, no matter how intensive. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. My BIOS is updated and compatible with my CPU. I swapped memory slots and was able to play Apex Legends for about an hour, would RAM be causing this issue?

Full Specs:
Windows 10
Mobo: ASUSTeK M5A97 LE R2.0
RAM: 8gb
CPU: AMD FX-6300
GPU: GTX 1050 ti (also old have gtx 760 to test)
PSU: Corsair 500W

Thanks in advance!

Edit: Forgot to mention PC works fine outside of any games.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

What exact corsair psu model is it and how old is the psu?

 

[BlueFrog]

What exact corsair psu model is it and how old is the psu?

Corsair 500X is all it says and ~6 years old. But all functions besides starting a game work fine. And if my old GPU was eating too much power I thought getting a 1050 ti would at least bandaid fix the issue.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

What are your temperatures?

 

[BlueFrog]

What are your temperatures?

CPU idles 25C, can't measure temp when gaming, cause it crashes.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

It probably could be solved by an os reinstall if its a driver issue and you have done what you said. Other it could very well be.a broken gpu or psu (more likely). Does it crash if cpu is loaded or only when gpu loaded.

 

[BlueFrog]

Does it crash if cpu is loaded or only when gpu loaded.

Only crashes when gpu is loaded, but that was the reason I upgraded my GPU (likelihood of 2 GPU's having same issue 5 years apart extremely unlikely). I am able to run high CPU programs (multiple virtual machines) without trouble.

I will reinstall OS, but how would I know if its PSU issue? All of my voltages seem normal (within 0.5V of target voltage).

 

[NightHawkRMX]

You won't notice a voltage drop, but after years power supplies can degrade and become unstable when loaded with your power hungry CPU (more than 95w) + not as hungry GPU (under 75w). Im not sure why a psu would cause a driver bsod, so i suspect os install may help.

 

[BlueFrog]

You won't notice a voltage drop, but after years power supplies can degrade and become unstable when loaded with your power hungry CPU (more than 95w) + not as hungry GPU (under 75w). Im not sure why a psu would cause a driver bsod, so i suspect os install may help.

I'm not encountering any bsod, just straight up restarts, there are no log files for me to examine, just kernal power errors from me manually restarting my PC

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Odd. I still would reinstall os.

 

[scout_03]

to test your psu use occt for about 10 min and chek voltages on test page see if they change to much or system cut .

 

[BlueFrog]

I still would reinstall os

Reset PC, no improvement. I installed latest graphics drive, downloaded furmark, ran it, and PC restarted.

 

[BlueFrog]

to test your psu use occt for about 10 min and chek voltages on test page see if they change to much or system cut .

Should I use OCCT for just PSU, or can will it help me locate if issue lays with CPU or memory?

I've never used this program before, but it seems pretty useful.

Update: Ass soon as OCCT power supply test starts, my PC restarts... Guess I'll try Prime95

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Id say if your pc restarts your psu is on its last legs. I would buy a replacement if an os reinstall doesnt help. What would be your budget for a new psu?

 

[BlueFrog]

Ran Prime95 test, crashed after ~5 minutes
No log file was even produced. I did capture HWMonitor Stats a minute before the crash, not sure if it will help.

Spoiler: HWMonitor Stats

Hardware monitor ITE IT8721
Voltage 0 11.49 Volts [0xDF] (+12V)
Voltage 1 5.06 Volts [0xEC] (+5V)
Voltage 2 1.24 Volts [0x67] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage 3 1.62 Volts [0x87] (VIN3)
Voltage 4 1.54 Volts [0x80] (VIN4)
Voltage 5 3.13 Volts [0xD1] (+3.3V)
Voltage 6 0.28 Volts [0x17] (VIN6)
Voltage 7 0.52 Volts [0x2B] (VIN7)
Temperature 0 76 degC (168 degF) [0x4C] (CPU)
Temperature 1 23 degC (73 degF) [0x17] (Mainboard)
Fan 0 3293 RPM [0xCD] (CPU)
Fan PWM 0 0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM0)
Fan PWM 1 0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM1)
Fan PWM 2 0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM2)

Hardware monitor NVIDIA NVAPI
Voltage 0 0.68 Volts [0x2A3] (GPU)
Temperature 0 21 degC (69 degF) [0x15] (GPU)
Fan PWM 0 35 pc [0x23] (FANPWMIN0)
Clock Speed 0 139.00 MHz [0x8B] (Graphics)
Clock Speed 1 405.00 MHz [0x195] (Memory)
Clock Speed 2 n.a. (Processor)

Socket 1 ID = 0
Number of cores 6 (max 6)
Number of threads 6 (max 6)
Name AMD FX-6300
Codename Vishera
Specification AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core Processor
Package Socket AM3+ (942)
CPUID F.2.0
Extended CPUID 15.2
Core Stepping OR-C0
Technology 32 nm
TDP Limit 95.0 Watts
Core Speed 3792.3 MHz
..

Temperature 0 85 degC (185 degF) (Package)
Temperature 1 85 degC (185 degF) (Cores)
Clock Speed 0 3792.35 MHz (Core #0)
Clock Speed 1 3792.35 MHz (Core #1)
Clock Speed 2 3792.35 MHz (Core #2)
Clock Speed 3 3792.35 MHz (Core #3)
Clock Speed 4 3792.35 MHz (Core #4)
Clock Speed 5 3792.35 MHz (Core #5)
Core 0 max ratio 20.5 (effective 17.5)
Core 1 max ratio 20.5 (effective 17.5)
Core 2 max ratio 20.5 (effective 17.5)
Core 3 max ratio 20.5 (effective 17.5)
Core 4 max ratio 20.5 (effective 17.5)
Core 5 max ratio 20.5 (effective 17.5)

most other data isn't important

The most notable thing I pulled from HWMonitor is that my CPU temp was 85 C(very high, I know I will be applying thermal paste) which it was stable at that temp for a few minutes. Does this mean that the issue lay with memory??

 

[captaincharisma]

vitual machines do not use a lot of GPU power so that argument is invalid. it is likely a bad power supply. Corsair is a quality brand but considering how much of a powerplant FX CPU's are im surprised it was able to hold that system together for this long

 

[BlueFrog]

vitual machines do not use a lot of GPU power so that argument is invalid. it is likely a bad power supply. Corsair is a quality brand but considering how much of a powerplant FX CPU's are im surprised it was able to hold that system together for this long

Okay, guess I'm getting a new PSU, any recommendations?

 

[BlueFrog]

Going with EVGA 450W PSU. I'll have an update Tuesday with PC status and to see if she's working.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

While it should work, I wouldn't want to run a 6 core fx and 1050ti on a really low-end PSU. What model are you getting?

 

[BlueFrog]

While it should work, I wouldn't want to run a 6 core fx and 1050ti on a really low-end PSU. What model are you getting?

I was planning on the EVGA BT 450W, is that considered a "low end" PSU?

 

[NightHawkRMX]

It's not high end by any means but it should work. I know of an overclocked 6300 and GTX 960 (consumes more than the 1050ti) running on an older 500-watt EVGA. It will work with the 450 BT, but I would recommend one of these power supplies over the BT:
Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
This is a good quality PSU, semi-modular, and a newer model from a good brand.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hkwrH/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na
SeaSonic - S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
This is an older model and not modular, but Seasonic is a good brand.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FL...-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-ssr-500gb3
I'd pick the CX550m over the Seasonic or 450BT, however, if you can't afford the CX550m, both should work. The Seasonic is of higher quality compared to the BT.
The 450 bt uses low-end components, but they typically are very inexpensive. Here is a comparison similar a simmilar psu to the Seasonic (based on S12 platform) and the 450BT: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/which-psu-is-better-hx520-vs-evga-450-bt.2504071/

 

[BlueFrog]

It's not high end by any means but it should work. I know of an overclocked 6300 and GTX 960 (consumes more than the 1050ti) running on an older 500-watt EVGA. It will work with the 450 BT, but I would recommend one of these power supplies over the BT:
Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
This is a good quality PSU, semi-modular, and a newer model from a good brand.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hkwrH/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na
SeaSonic - S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
This is an older model and not modular, but Seasonic is a good brand.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FL...-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-ssr-500gb3
I'd pick the CX550m over the Seasonic or 450BT, however, if you can't afford the CX550m, both should work. The Seasonic is of higher quality compared to the BT.
The 450 bt uses low-end components, but they typically are very inexpensive. Here is a comparison similar a simmilar psu to the Seasonic (based on S12 platform) and the 450BT: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/which-psu-is-better-hx520-vs-evga-450-bt.2504071/

My budget is pretty tight since I just bought that GTX 1050 to, but I'll give these a look, thanks!

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Yup. The cx550m is a very solid PSU and is currently on sale for $43, not bad. The SeaSonic offers high quality for just $34.99, which isn't much more than the EVGA 450BT.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-450-bt-value-psu,5605-12.html This says "At $25, EVGA's 450 BT is a great deal. It's even a decent buy at the company's $40 list price. However, at that point, you may as well consider Corsair's CX450 as well. It's only $5 more expensive and far superior in a number of tests. Still, the 450 BT was a nice surprise. We didn't expect it to demonstrate such tight load regulation and good ripple suppression."
The CX 450 is much better, so the 550 would also beat the BT, However, the EVGA 450 BT is a good buy if its a lot cheaper than the CX550.

 

[BlueFrog]

Yup. The cx550m is a very solid PSU and is currently on sale for $43, not bad. The SeaSonic offers high quality for just $34.99, which isn't much more than the EVGA 450BT.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-450-bt-value-psu,5605-12.html This says "At $25, EVGA's 450 BT is a great deal. It's even a decent buy at the company's $40 list price. However, at that point, you may as well consider Corsair's CX450 as well. It's only $5 more expensive and far superior in a number of tests. Still, the 450 BT was a nice surprise. We didn't expect it to demonstrate such tight load regulation and good ripple suppression."
The CX 450 is much better, so the 550 would also beat the BT, However, the EVGA 450 BT is a good buy if its a lot cheaper than the CX550.

Where are you finding these deals? I can't the CX450m for anything less than 47$(newegg)

 

[NightHawkRMX]

That was a review a little while ago. While pricing may have changed, they still said the BT is pretty good if the CX is at that price.