Question PC is power cycling every 20 seconds ?

Dec 26, 2022
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I had just installed a new m.2 and swapped out my ram for a 32gb kit and when turning the PC back on I got the dreaded power cycle. I cleared the cmos and that didn’t seem to effect the issue. I also took out the m.2 and replaced my old ram and it still power cycled (turns on for 15 seconds then shuts off and reboots. Nothing gets displayed on my screens either). Anyways I unplugged all of my drives except for my boot drive and the new m.2 and left one of my old sticks in A1. I am now able to boot into bios. My pc specs are as follows (I will also leave the new hardware details at the bottom)

Specs:
Ryzen 7 5800x
Rtx 3060ti
Asrock b450m pro
Seasonic 850w platinum
Corsair vengeance 2x8gb 3600mhz
Coolermaster AIO
250gb Samsung ssd
1tb WD solid state

New parts added:
Samsung 980 nvme m.2 3500mbs 1tb
Corsair vengeance 2x16gb 3600mhz
 
I had just installed a new m.2 and swapped out my ram for a 32gb kit and when turning the PC back on I got the dreaded power cycle. I cleared the cmos and that didn’t seem to effect the issue. I also took out the m.2 and replaced my old ram and it still power cycled (turns on for 15 seconds then shuts off and reboots. Nothing gets displayed on my screens either). Anyways I unplugged all of my drives except for my boot drive and the new m.2 and left one of my old sticks in A1. I am now able to boot into bios. My pc specs are as follows (I will also leave the new hardware details at the bottom)

Specs:
Ryzen 7 5800x
Rtx 3060ti
Asrock b450m pro
Seasonic 850w platinum
Corsair vengeance 2x8gb 3600mhz
Coolermaster AIO
250gb Samsung ssd
1tb WD solid state

New parts added:
Samsung 980 nvme m.2 3500mbs 1tb
Corsair vengeance 2x16gb 3600mhz
Is the ram all the same? (Make model speed size speed settings)

When RAM goes outside spec, the bios test it on bootup. If it fails several times it will go to safe mode defaults. It may take 30 minutes on some boards. My ASRock b450 mATX takes about 3 minutes if the ram misfires. Also check the mb manual on the maximum ram speed settings depending on CPU and numbers banks used.
 

DavidM012

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Power off again switch off mains now try and install 1 x 16gb from your new kit but before switch on clear cmos

Corsairs often suck on Ryzen. G.skill Trident Z is specifically designed for ryzen I think while the appeal of Corsair lpx is being cheapish?


Maybe clearing the cmos will help your mobo decide if it wants to boot with a dimm of the new capacity. So hard reset, switch off power and mains, remove cmos battery for 5 minutes, pulse the power button a few times to drain residual power

then pop the cmos battery back and power back on. If it boots ok shut down again, switch off, add the second 16gb dimm.

If it doesn't boot with 2 dimms then clear cmos again. If not boot whatever you try, well I guess you can attempt to update the mobo bios to the latest version if it isn't already and try again. if it won't boot no matter what, send back the corsairs and get g.skill trident z instead.

You could use the clear cmos jumper rather than remove cmos battery either way I find cmos jumper fiddly but sometimes the cmos battery access is blocked by gpu so either/or.

Is that the Asrock B450m Pro 4? Can we talk about exactitude for a moment since there could be a variety of models with a 'Pro' moniker my search results return 4 variants Pro 4, Pro 4 Rev 2.0 Pro 4 -F and Pro 4 -F Rev 2.0 and each board has it's own support page.

Don't want to download the wrong bios f'rit. Also want to look at a memory support list which doesn't have a list explicitly for zen 3 vermeer so I looked at zen 2 summit ridge and that doesn't list explicitly any 3600mhz corsairs which doesn't prove they don't or can't work on it only doesn't explicitly say that they were tested by the manufacturer with it.

It doesn't expressly say it supports any 3600mhz memory the specification page (of one of the varieties of board) says:

AMD Ryzen series CPUs (Vermeer) support DDR4 3200 / 2933 / 2667 / 2400 / 2133 ECC & non-ECC, un-buffered memory*

Supports Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) memory modules

- 15μ Gold Contact in DIMM Slots (<-- I didn't know that was a thing until today!)

The Memory Population Table says you can have 2 Double Rank dimms up to 3200mhz in slots a2 and b2. However the 3600mhz single rank 8gb dimms work in it and exceed the specification without being documented. - Maybe that's the most it can do.

What I might do then since you appear to be in the position of Experimenting with Dimms is, switch off XMP in the bios and see if it'll load without it. So to do that you will need to set the setting with your old 8gb 3600mhz corsair dimms, save exit reboot once, shut down and then switch off the mains and then Don't clear the cmos/Bios and simply Install your 16gb dimms and see if it'll boot with xmp off.

It would also be nice to know the Part Number of the Dimms eg F4-4133C19D-16GTZKWC (<--it's a g.skill trident z and probly expensive one)

Here you can see there is a 4133mhz dimm supported with the (a variant of the) mobo despite of what it says it supports on the specification page. And that is only documented for summit ridge can one presume it'd work on vermeer, who knows?

What you can also see at a glance if you filter corsairs that there are no supported 3600mhz corsairs on it so you are simply fortunate that your 8gb modules worked on it. Non Compliant Memory can work but it can also not work.

So the board has probably gone through some bios updates that 'improve memory compatiblity' and support Zen 3 vermeer but the documentation has not.

Looks ok for bios updates since you're using vermeer not summit raven or pinnacle ridge cpus on it. If you're already on the latest bios then probably the 16gb modules simply don't work with it.

Try g.skill trident z instead.

Specifically (or ripjaws v) This one is the only one that says it supports asrock on amd on it's qvl (qualified vendor list) and that's for a b550 - F4-3600C18D-32GVK - so you're going out on a limb no matter how hard you try to be qvl compliant for a cheap old b450 mobo.

it might or might not work but same could be true of any dimms you buy, compliant or non compliant just a crap shoot sometimes.

Your certainly non compliant 3600mhz 8gb single rank corsairs worked. Hit. Your certainly non compliant 16gb double rank did not. Miss? At least you got to play a game like hasbro battleships.
 
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Is the ram all the same? (Make model speed size speed settings)

When RAM goes outside spec, the bios test it on bootup. If it fails several times it will go to safe mode defaults. It may take 30 minutes on some boards. My ASRock b450 mATX takes about 3 minutes if the ram misfires. Also check the mb manual on the maximum ram speed settings depending on CPU and numbers banks used.
The RAM I had in already was 2x8gb 3600mhz and the new is 2x16gb 3600mhz same brand just different sizes.
 
Dec 26, 2022
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Power off again switch off mains now try and install 1 x 16gb from your new kit but before switch on clear cmos

Corsairs often suck on Ryzen. G.skill Trident Z is specifically designed for ryzen I think while the appeal of Corsair lpx is being cheapish?


Maybe clearing the cmos will help your mobo decide if it wants to boot with a dimm of the new capacity. So hard reset, switch off power and mains, remove cmos battery for 5 minutes, pulse the power button a few times to drain residual power

then pop the cmos battery back and power back on. If it boots ok shut down again, switch off, add the second 16gb dimm.

If it doesn't boot with 2 dimms then clear cmos again. If not boot whatever you try, well I guess you can attempt to update the mobo bios to the latest version if it isn't already and try again. if it won't boot no matter what, send back the corsairs and get g.skill trident z instead.

You could use the clear cmos jumper rather than remove cmos battery either way I find cmos jumper fiddly but sometimes the cmos battery access is blocked by gpu so either/or.

Is that the Asrock B450m Pro 4? Can we talk about exactitude for a moment since there could be a variety of models with a 'Pro' moniker my search results return 4 variants Pro 4, Pro 4 Rev 2.0 Pro 4 -F and Pro 4 -F Rev 2.0 and each board has it's own support page.

Don't want to download the wrong bios f'rit. Also want to look at a memory support list which doesn't have a list explicitly for zen 3 vermeer so I looked at zen 2 summit ridge and that doesn't list explicitly any 3600mhz corsairs which doesn't prove they don't or can't work on it only doesn't explicitly say that they were tested by the manufacturer with it.

It doesn't expressly say it supports any 3600mhz memory the specification page (of one of the varieties of board) says:

AMD Ryzen series CPUs (Vermeer) support DDR4 3200 / 2933 / 2667 / 2400 / 2133 ECC & non-ECC, un-buffered memory*

Supports Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) memory modules

- 15μ Gold Contact in DIMM Slots (<-- I didn't know that was a thing until today!)

The Memory Population Table says you can have 2 Double Rank dimms up to 3200mhz in slots a2 and b2. However the 3600mhz single rank 8gb dimms work in it and exceed the specification without being documented. - Maybe that's the most it can do.

What I might do then since you appear to be in the position of Experimenting with Dimms is, switch off XMP in the bios and see if it'll load without it. So to do that you will need to set the setting with your old 8gb 3600mhz corsair dimms, save exit reboot once, shut down and then switch off the mains and then Don't clear the cmos/Bios and simply Install your 16gb dimms and see if it'll boot with xmp off.

It would also be nice to know the Part Number of the Dimms eg F4-4133C19D-16GTZKWC (<--it's a g.skill trident z and probly expensive one)

Here you can see there is a 4133mhz dimm supported with the (a variant of the) mobo despite of what it says it supports on the specification page. And that is only documented for summit ridge can one presume it'd work on vermeer, who knows?

What you can also see at a glance if you filter corsairs that there are no supported 3600mhz corsairs on it so you are simply fortunate that your 8gb modules worked on it. Non Compliant Memory can work but it can also not work.

So the board has probably gone through some bios updates that 'improve memory compatiblity' and support Zen 3 vermeer but the documentation has not.

Looks ok for bios updates since you're using vermeer not summit raven or pinnacle ridge cpus on it. If you're already on the latest bios then probably the 16gb modules simply don't work with it.

Try g.skill trident z instead.

Specifically (or ripjaws v) This one is the only one that says it supports asrock on amd on it's qvl (qualified vendor list) and that's for a b550 - F4-3600C18D-32GVK - so you're going out on a limb no matter how hard you try to be qvl compliant for a cheap old b450 mobo.

it might or might not work but same could be true of any dimms you buy, compliant or non compliant just a crap shoot sometimes.

Your certainly non compliant 3600mhz 8gb single rank corsairs worked. Hit. Your certainly non compliant 16gb double rank did not. Miss? At least you got to play a game like hasbro battleships.
I went through the classic “take one of the new sticks and test it in the each slot at a time” trick and on first try in slot A1 the new 16gb stick works, plugged back in all of my hard drives and tried to boot into windows. Hit me with BSOD SrtTrail.txt error. Currently I’m running some troubleshooting commands in CMD to just fix whatever issues are happening on my current boot drive. I assume it just got messed up from clearing the cmos and unplugging them. I will let you know how this goes as soon as I get the chance. I assume if this goes well I should probably throw in that second stick and cross my fingers? (Ps: I have the pro 4 model motherboard. I my original ram sticks were 3600mhz and I was able to use XMP to get to to run at 3600mhz perfectly fine with no leaks or crashes, so im assuming it should support these new sticks just fine.)
 

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memory population table says a single dimm should be in a2

Ryzen Series CPUs (Vermeer): Specification, it's a bit down the page

however you could have Single or Double Rank dimms of 3200mhz

Your 8gb dimms are single rank while the 16gb modules are double rank. (of 3600mhz) That could be the crucial difference. Double rank or double sided dimms have chips on both sides of the dimm.
 
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More options for this so which motherboard exactly.



I had flashed my bios little under a year ago when I upgraded to the Ryzen 7 5800x because without flashing the new updated bios they wouldn’t have been compatible
Might be , but there are pretty recent bios to find for certain B450 Pro boards so a newer bios might just help.

Also what happens if you take the M.2 out? Or just switch it from M.2 slot if you have more ...
 

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If Mobos could talk:

User: here's 32gb

Mobo: What?

User: 32gb

Mobo: oh yeah right I get it

User: good

Mobo: uh actually no

User: it's more

Mobo: oh I see

User: Do you?

Mobo: ?

The idea of clearing the cmos was because the dimms are the same make only larger capacity so the bios was looking at more or less the same thing, so it was just to clear out the old training if that happened so once you've got your 1st dimm in a2 it should have started training again so then it knows about 16gb so then you can put the other dimm in b2.

You put it in a1 and got a bsod but that isn't the recommended configuration so stick it in a2 and see if windows is stable.

There are 2 more bios updates that are beta agesa updates since october last year and the most recent one is merely for 4000 series nvidia gpu so you probably already got the one with 'improved memory compatibility from oct 21 - if so then it doesn't look like they did much radical after that. Agesa can affect memory compatibility but I don't know why it's only beta and then I'm not sure why only the bios for nvidia 4000 cards is not beta or if that contains the beta updates and it's out of beta because in the olde simple days bios updates were cumulative so the latest bios contained all the updates rolled up into the newest package.

Don't know if that is still the case on ddr 4 systems nobody really just tells you anything.

So just put the dimms in the right slots after clearing cmos and see if it works.

Bsods might be because the dimms are dual sided and I'd hazard a guess that because there's simply more chips on the dimm it might need a microvolt (or millivolt) or two more but since it's out of spec or beyond spec the mobo might not have that fine control because you would only want to nudge the voltage by one increment at a time and not go too high so basically if it was my system I might try to tweak it if I was getting bsods but then ram settings are very complex and time consuming to go through and it's hard to get good info about it and you have loads of options and it's not mine and I'm not sitting in front of it pressing buttons.

maybe a beta bios update - if you can find a decent explanation of why a beta bios could help. Maybe ask their tech support for more advice.

You made some progress in getting it to boot so it's tantalizingly close.

If all fails then you also have the option of G.Skill although it looks like there are plenty of manufacturers supported you should also check the memory manufacturer's site for their assertions of compatibility as well as the mobo support list.

G.Skill is just the next most common and well known on the list there's 20 memory oem's on the list but there can be only one dimm kit for you. You are in the end randomly picking out of spec dimms if you go 3600mhz for this b450 board and I don't think you want to look up reviews of 20 ram oems and cruise their sites for memory they say is compatible and then check for local availability.

I don't think the mobo manufacturer has much of an interest in piping up and saying this will never work on our mobo... sake.
 
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