PC restarting mystery #2

[p3ep90]

Hi

Few days ago i posted my problem about pc restarting on moderate to heavy load which can be found here : http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2833138/restarting-mystery.html?xtor=EREC-8889
My system :
CPU - AMD FX-6300
Mobo - Gigabyte GA-970A-D3P M
RAM - Corsair Vengeance 4GB x 2
GPU - Sapphire radeon 7770 HD
PSU - Corsair VS550
HDD - WD Black 1TB
CPU cooler : Coolermaster hyper 212x

Since my CPu temps were pretty high i opted for the aftermarket cooler, which helped me alot in that area, my temps dropped about 5C idle and 20C on load. My PC ran fine for a day, but suddenly it restarted while i was playing a MMO (its not graphic intensive, my old phenom II would run it easily with HD 4890), i touched the CPU heatsink, which was cold but the northbridge heatsink was way too hot that i could not even keep my finger on it for more than 2-3 seconds.
Thinking that my northbridge might causing the restarts, i put a 80mm high flow fan to blow air across the northbridge. But it keeps restarting as soon as i run 2-3 games or at times even browser + 1 game or even torrent + browser. The northbridge is not getting too hot now though.

Any kind of help is appreciated, i am hitting a dead end :|

What can possibly be wrong? could it be my PSU?

 

[boodaddy]

This is completely untrue. Show me a quality 650w unit that costs as much as an equal quality 1000w unit. You cannot.

Also, 650w is plenty for ANY single GPU out there. Even 750w is more than he needs.

$109
SeaSonic X Series X650 (650W)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088

$119
Rosewill RBR1000-M (1000W)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182188

$10 difference.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/psu/87623-rosewill-1000w-bronze/

 

[tiny voices]

Those PSUs are not even in the same REALM of quality. The Seasonic is TOP of the line, and the Rosewill is strictly average. It is a GOLD rated fully modular Seasonic compared to a semi modular bronze rated Rosewill made by Sirtec and only makes 900w. NOT even CLOSE to the same. That unit could be compared to an EVGA 600b which is usually like $50.

This is a comparable unit to that Seasonic: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110&cm_re=seasonic-_-17-151-110-_-Product

Nice try though.

 

[boodaddy]

Knew you were going to say that. Lol ok dude. So we're talking about bronze/gold now even though the only thing it does is save you 5 bucks a year on electricity. You win. I have those PSU's and used them. Have you? You are calling RoseWill average? Wow. How many miners running triple GPU's all with that AVERAGE RossWill have you set up?

 

[tiny voices]

No, we are talking about the QUALITY of the internal components of the PSU. That Rosewill don't hold a candle to that Seasonic. Plain and simple. I am calling THAT rosewill average, not all. Rosewill PSUs are built my several different companies and are varying degrees of quality.

Sorry, but you are simply misunderstanding what the quality of a PSU really means.

Also, just because you own a PSU, does not mean you can speak ANYTHING about the quality of the unit. Do you have an oscilloscope? Do you know the voltage drop your GPUs are experiencing? Can you prove what the ripple on the 12v rail is?

 

[boodaddy]

Whatever makes you feel better man. Go with that.

Sesonic & RoseWill both use suppliers in Taiwan for there internals btw.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Knew you were going to say that. Lol ok dude. So we're talking about bronze/gold now even though the only thing it does is save you 5 bucks a year on electricity. You win. I have those PSU's and used them. Have you? You are calling RoseWill average? Wow. How many miners running triple GPU's all with that AVERAGE RossWill have you set up?

Gold is not just about efficiency it is also about the components needed to gain that efficiency. Typically you need better quality components to actually get to that point.

The Rosewill you linked uses some good components but also cuts out in other areas. For example, the primary caps are rated at 85c while the Seasonic is rated at 105C. The Seasonic 650KM also is pretty much a PSU that does not seem to hold back. It uses all Chemicon caps and all kinds of tech to keep it happy. Due to that that Seasonic PSU will be able to push max load at 50C while that Rosewill will be stuck to 40c max.

In terms of pure quality the Seasonic is superior in every way. But Seasonic is one of the best PSU OEMs (they design and build all their own PSUs) while Rosewill is a Newegg spin off that uses OEMs (they have others build PSUs for them) to fill their specific needs from cheap to decent. The Rosewill is a Sirtec built PSU which is, well meh at best.

 

[boodaddy]

Knew you were going to say that. Lol ok dude. So we're talking about bronze/gold now even though the only thing it does is save you 5 bucks a year on electricity. You win. I have those PSU's and used them. Have you? You are calling RoseWill average? Wow. How many miners running triple GPU's all with that AVERAGE RossWill have you set up?

Gold is not just about efficiency it is also about the components needed to gain that efficiency. Typically you need better quality components to actually get to that point.

The Rosewill you linked uses some good components but also cuts out in other areas. For example, the primary caps are rated at 85c while the Seasonic is rated at 105C. The Seasonic 650KM also is pretty much a PSU that does not seem to hold back. It uses all Chemicon caps and all kinds of tech to keep it happy. Due to that that Seasonic PSU will be able to push max load at 50C while that Rosewill will be stuck to 40c max.

In terms of pure quality the Seasonic is superior in every way. But Seasonic is one of the best PSU OEMs (they design and build all their own PSUs) while Rosewill is a Newegg spin off that uses OEMs (they have others build PSUs for them) to fill their specific needs from cheap to decent. The Rosewill is a Sirtec built PSU which is, well meh at best.

I appreciate your opinion, and I only recommend from personal experience. While all my other PSU's went bad, the Rosewill is still going. Like I said before they both use suppliers from Taiwan. Not sure how one supplier 30 minutes from the other can have that big of a leap in quality. They all get paid the same $1 buck an hour. It's all about marketing IMO. It's like my Toshiba TV that uses a Samsung LCD inside lol.

 

[tiny voices]

Not sure how one supplier 30 minutes from the other can have that big of a leap in quality.

This is where you are completely mistaken. It is not about the location of the factory, but the supplied materials, which are completely different between Sirtec (that Rosewill) and Seasonic.

Seasonic's factories are in China, not Taiwan, that is just the headquarters.

 

[boodaddy]

Not sure how one supplier 30 minutes from the other can have that big of a leap in quality.

This is where you are completely mistaken. It is not about the location of the factory, but the supplied materials, which are completely different between Sirtec (that Rosewill) and Seasonic.

Serious? you aren't to privy on mass production, and how suppliers in Taiwan operate then. in 1990 SeaSonic open there Second factory in Taoyuan County (now Taoyuan City).

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Capstone , Tachyon , and Lightning are the only good Rosewill power supplies , which are made by Super Flower , rest are below average.

 

[tiny voices]

Not sure how one supplier 30 minutes from the other can have that big of a leap in quality.

This is where you are completely mistaken. It is not about the location of the factory, but the supplied materials, which are completely different between Sirtec (that Rosewill) and Seasonic.

Serious? you aren't to privy on mass production, and how suppliers in Taiwan operate then.

Seasonic's factory is in China, not Taiwan.... Don't know what you are trying to prove. It is a known fact that the quality of internal component of that Rosewill is inferior to that of the Seasonic. Any EE could tell you that from simply looking at photos of the innards.

 

[boodaddy]

Not sure how one supplier 30 minutes from the other can have that big of a leap in quality.

This is where you are completely mistaken. It is not about the location of the factory, but the supplied materials, which are completely different between Sirtec (that Rosewill) and Seasonic.

Serious? you aren't to privy on mass production, and how suppliers in Taiwan operate then.

Seasonic's factory is in China, not Taiwan.... Don't know what you are trying to prove. It is a known fact that the quality of internal component of that Rosewill is inferior to that of the Seasonic. Any EE could tell you that from simply looking at photos of the innards.

in 1990 SeaSonic opened there Second factory in Taiwan (Taoyuan County (now Taoyuan City).

 

[tiny voices]

Regardless, that Seasonic is in no way similar in quality to that Rosewill. They are on completely different levels. This is just a fact.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Knew you were going to say that. Lol ok dude. So we're talking about bronze/gold now even though the only thing it does is save you 5 bucks a year on electricity. You win. I have those PSU's and used them. Have you? You are calling RoseWill average? Wow. How many miners running triple GPU's all with that AVERAGE RossWill have you set up?

Gold is not just about efficiency it is also about the components needed to gain that efficiency. Typically you need better quality components to actually get to that point.

The Rosewill you linked uses some good components but also cuts out in other areas. For example, the primary caps are rated at 85c while the Seasonic is rated at 105C. The Seasonic 650KM also is pretty much a PSU that does not seem to hold back. It uses all Chemicon caps and all kinds of tech to keep it happy. Due to that that Seasonic PSU will be able to push max load at 50C while that Rosewill will be stuck to 40c max.

In terms of pure quality the Seasonic is superior in every way. But Seasonic is one of the best PSU OEMs (they design and build all their own PSUs) while Rosewill is a Newegg spin off that uses OEMs (they have others build PSUs for them) to fill their specific needs from cheap to decent. The Rosewill is a Sirtec built PSU which is, well meh at best.

I appreciate your opinion, and I only recommend from personal experience. While all my other PSU's went bad, the Rosewill is still going. Like I said before they both use suppliers from Taiwan. Not sure how one supplier 30 minutes from the other can have that big of a leap in quality. They all get paid the same $1 buck an hour. It's all about marketing IMO. It's like my Toshiba TV that uses a Samsung LCD inside lol.

In PC components it is not just marketing. As I said look at the internal components of both and you can see that the Seasonic you listed uses much higher quality components.

And quality can vary within the same company let alone down the street from different companies. Again you missed what I said. Seasonic is a OEM. They design and build all of their own products. They use a lot of components but mostly Japanese components, the X650KM you listed uses all Nippon-Chemcon which are Japanese parts not Chinese or Taiwanese, which have been proven to be superior in performance and reliability which means they also cost more.

I am sure that PSU is running fine but you are trying to state that the Seasonic is the same quality as the Rosewill when in fact the Seasonic is superior in quality than the Rosewill. Just because it has worked for you for now does not mean it has for everyone else. I have had good luck with the Corsair CX series but I would not recommend them for any gaming build due to cheaper internal components. Yet I would recommend my AX860i for any gaming build, even over your Rosewill 1000W because it uses very good quality components.

 

[boodaddy]

Regardless, that Seasonic is in no way similar in quality to that Rosewill. They are on completely different levels. This is just a fact.

If you say so lol.

 

[tiny voices]

I'm done here after this, but I'm genuinely curious if you are trolling or if you actually believe that the internal components of the rosewill are the same quality as those of that Seasonic. Because there is irrefutable proof that many of the Seasonic's components are vastly superior to their counterpart in that Sirtec (rosewill) unit.

 

[p3ep90]

This is completely untrue. Show me a quality 650w unit that costs as much as an equal quality 1000w unit. You cannot.

Also, 650w is plenty for ANY single GPU out there. Even 750w is more than he needs.

I agree, with ample research i've found out that 650w is all i need, even if i consider upgrading to higher graphics as long as i dont run crossfire. Also i am not going to have anymore HDDs or w/e. I will go for the Seasonic 650w

 

[boodaddy]

I'm done here after this, but I'm genuinely curious if you are trolling or if you actually believe that the internal components of the rosewill are the same quality as those of that Seasonic. Because there is irrefutable proof that many of the Seasonic's components are vastly superior to their counterpart in that Sirtec (rosewill) unit.

Trolling? I have nothing to gain from trolling. If you read this post I am the first to respond to help. Why would I troll myself? I believe what I believe, and use what I use from "experience", from building systems for over 20 years. My opinions do not come from forums, or hype, and certainly not reviews or pming buddies to back me up.

 

[tiny voices]

None what has been said here is based on hype or any kind of speculation at all. Only solid facts.

Also, this has been said many times, but using a PSU DOES NOT make you qualified to comment on it's internal component quality.

 

[boodaddy]

None what has been said here is based on hype or any kind of speculation at all. Only solid facts.

Also, this has been said many times, but using a PSU DOES NOT make you qualified to comment on it's internal component quality.

I have also built electronic hardware for nuclear subs, and tanks. I guess that doesn't quality me either.

Edit: Forgot to mention the Pentagon.

 

[tiny voices]

You are missing the point. Throwing around made up qualifications doesn't make one capacitor magically the same quality as a superior capacitor. Sorry.

 

[boodaddy]

You are missing the point. Throwing around made up qualifications doesn't make one capacitor magically the same quality as a superior capacitor. Sorry.

LOL made up qualifications. Here is the company bro. I breathe PSU's and power for a living man.
http://www.ruggedsystems.com/index.php

 

[jimmysmitty]

You are missing the point. Throwing around made up qualifications doesn't make one capacitor magically the same quality as a superior capacitor. Sorry.

LOL made up qualifications. Here is the company bro. I breath PSU's and power for a living man.
http://www.ruggedsystems.com/index.php

If that was true then how would you not know that Seasonic is a OEM that makes their own products and is one of the best PSU manufactures?

How do you also seem to think that work you do somehow applies to a PSU in a PC when there are differences in the components used in industrial and consumer grades.

The Seasonic you listed is superior than the Rosewill. The primary caps alone tell you that, 105c vs 85c ratings tell you that the Seasonic will handle way more continuous loads better than the Rosewill. Hell everything I have read is that that PSUs 12v rail can only push 900W because of the weaker components when the Seasonic can push out almost the full 650W to its 12v rail.

And it is not about "backing" anyone up. We prefer to not have misinformation posted. You are currently posting misinformation by using personal opinion. I personally think that Fords are great cars but that does not make it a fact.

 

[tiny voices]

If you breathe PSUs, then you should easily be able to see how incorrect you are in stating those 2 unit are of equal quality. Sorry, you are just plain wrong.

 

[boodaddy]

If you breathe PSUs, then you should easily be able to see how incorrect you are in stating those 2 unit are of equal quality. Sorry, you are just plain wrong.

I don't believe I am. You win. I was wrong. Will you please sleep better at night now?