Question PC upgrade - doubts

[lesinos]

Good morning everyone,

I have been video editing in After Effects for a while and I want to do a small upgrade for better workflow.

Here is my current setup:

Motherboard: GIGABYTE B550 GAMING X V2

CPU: AMD RYZEN 5 5500

GPU: POWERCOLOR Radeon RX 6600 XT Fighter 8GB (Typical Board Power (Desktop) 160 W)

RAM: 2x8GB 3200MHz

PSU: SILENTIUMPC ELEMENTUM E2 550W 80 PLUS

The intented upgrades:

2x8GB substituted by Kingston FURY 64GB (2x32GB) 3200MHz CL16 (I have already ordered it)

AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (65 V) substituted by AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D (105 V)

New cooler e.g Peerless Assasin 120 - wattage 265 V


The questions is do I have to change the PSU?

From what I read from reddit this CPU will need a cooler since I use the basic one that came along with Ryzen 5 5500. Should I include the cooler in the total wattage calculation or how do I calculate whether the PSU is enough? Is it simple sum?

Thank you for your time in advance and sorry for the incompetence but I do not want to make mistakes and destroy my hardware.

If you have any different suggestions I am all ears.

 

[lesinos]

Good morning everyone,

I have been video editing in After Effects for a while and I want to do a small upgrade for better workflow.

Here is my current setup:

Motherboard: GIGABYTE B550 GAMING X V2

CPU: AMD RYZEN 5 5500

GPU: POWERCOLOR Radeon RX 6600 XT Fighter 8GB (Typical Board Power (Desktop) 160 W)

RAM: 2x8GB 3200MHz

PSU: SILENTIUMPC ELEMENTUM E2 550W 80 PLUS

The intented upgrades:

2x8GB substituted by Kingston FURY 64GB (2x32GB) 3200MHz CL16 (I have already ordered it)

AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (65 V) substituted by AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D (105 V)

New cooler e.g Peerless Assasin 120 - wattage 265 V


The questions is do I have to change the PSU?

From what I read from reddit this CPU will need a cooler since I use the basic one that came along with Ryzen 5 5500. Should I include the cooler in the total wattage calculation or how do I calculate whether the PSU is enough? Is it simple sum?

Thank you for your time in advance and sorry for the incompetence but I do not want to make mistakes and destroy my hardware.

If you have any different suggestions I am all ears.

I have created the same thread in different category but I cannot delete the one in the wrong one.

 

[Hellfire13]

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Get Tier A 650w or above, Tier B 750w or above. Your current one is Tier E.

Note: This is just a rough reference list, do lookup individual reviews as per available units at your location or ask here.

 

[lesinos]

PSU Tier List rev. 17.0g - Cultists Network

PSU Tier List will help you to choose the best PSU out of hundreds of models on the market. From budget to the highest end Power Supplies.

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Get Tier A 650w or above, Tier B 750w or above. Your current one is Tier E.

Note: This is just a rough reference list, do lookup individual reviews as per available units at your location or ask here.

I am quite aware of the quality of my PSU the only concern is the wattage.

 

[Hellfire13]

I am quite aware of the quality of my PSU the only concern is the wattage.

A good quality 650w/750w should be fine for that build with some wiggle room for peripherals or upgrades down the line.

 

[jeremyj_83]

Good morning everyone,

I have been video editing in After Effects for a while and I want to do a small upgrade for better workflow.

Here is my current setup:

Motherboard: GIGABYTE B550 GAMING X V2

CPU: AMD RYZEN 5 5500

GPU: POWERCOLOR Radeon RX 6600 XT Fighter 8GB (Typical Board Power (Desktop) 160 W)

RAM: 2x8GB 3200MHz

PSU: SILENTIUMPC ELEMENTUM E2 550W 80 PLUS

The intented upgrades:

2x8GB substituted by Kingston FURY 64GB (2x32GB) 3200MHz CL16 (I have already ordered it)

AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (65 V) substituted by AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D (105 V)

New cooler e.g Peerless Assasin 120 - wattage 265 V


The questions is do I have to change the PSU?

From what I read from reddit this CPU will need a cooler since I use the basic one that came along with Ryzen 5 5500. Should I include the cooler in the total wattage calculation or how do I calculate whether the PSU is enough? Is it simple sum?

Thank you for your time in advance and sorry for the incompetence but I do not want to make mistakes and destroy my hardware.

If you have any different suggestions I am all ears.

I have created the same thread in different category but I cannot delete the one in the wrong one.

1. Change the PSU. The PSU you have is a low quality device and I wouldn't trust it at all. Most of the time you cannot find high quality PSUs under 550W anymore. Your build will be fine with another 550W or 650W CPU. Right now the best quality PSU I see based on price is the Corsair RM650 (2023) and it is going for $90. There is also the 750W Be Quiet Pure Power 12 M for $95 or the NZXT C750 (2022) for $95. Any of those are going to be a good PSU.
2. You might want to consider the 5900X instead of the 5800X3D since you are using after effects. It runs an extra $15 here for the 5900X and you get more performance. https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-ryzen-5800x3d-vs-5800x-for-content-creation-2331/ Alternatively you can run the normal 5800X and get close to the same performance in After Effects as the X3D but save money.
3. You will need a new CPU cooler. That Peerless Assassin 120SE is OK since the Zen 3 Ryzens have a 142W PPT. However, you could also look at the Deepcool AK620 for more cooling performance. It isn't bad to have a better cooler especially if the cost isn't much more.

 

[jeremyj_83]

I am quite aware of the quality of my PSU the only concern is the wattage.

Quality of the PSU should be a MAJOR concern. Low quality PSUs have a much higher chance of failing and when a PSU fails it can take out the entire system or cause an electrical fire if there aren't the right protections. Note that low quality PSUs will often times not put in the protection mechanisms and can cause electrical fires.

 

[geofelt]

It is the graphics card that mostly determines the wattage required.
Since the gpu remains the same, a psu change is not required for functionality.

On the cpu upgrade, the X3D version of the 5800X is intended for gaming, not for application productivity.
The underlying 5800X would perform better.

You may have to update your bios; check on that before you switch.
Bios updates for ryzen will often include improved ram compatibility.

On ram, did you check the motherboard ram QVL list or the Kingston ram support site to verify that your ordered kit is supported?

The only power that a cpu cooler uses is for the fan, and that should not differ from what you now have.

 

[lesinos]

It is the graphics card that mostly determines the wattage required.
Since the gpu remains the same, a psu change is not required for functionality.

On the cpu upgrade, the X3D version of the 5800X is intended for gaming, not for application productivity.
The underlying 5800X would perform better.

You may have to update your bios; check on that before you switch.
Bios updates for ryzen will often include improved ram compatibility.

On ram, did you check the motherboard ram QVL list or the Kingston ram support site to verify that your ordered kit is supported?

The only power that a cpu cooler uses is for the fan, and that should not differ from what you now have.

Thank you for the QVL info, I checked the Gigabyte QVL sheet and I see the 32GB position for Kingston so that should work. I will look into 5800X but I am more inclined towards 5900X. Nevertheless that means that I need a better cooler or is the old one from 5500 sufficient? The new cooler will have 2 fans and a radiator and that's why I was concerned about the wattage.

 

[lesinos]

1. Change the PSU. The PSU you have is a low quality device and I wouldn't trust it at all. Most of the time you cannot find high quality PSUs under 550W anymore. Your build will be fine with another 550W or 650W CPU. Right now the best quality PSU I see based on price is the Corsair RM650 (2023) and it is going for $90. There is also the 750W Be Quiet Pure Power 12 M for $95 or the NZXT C750 (2022) for $95. Any of those are going to be a good PSU.
2. You might want to consider the 5900X instead of the 5800X3D since you are using after effects. It runs an extra $15 here for the 5900X and you get more performance. https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-ryzen-5800x3d-vs-5800x-for-content-creation-2331/ Alternatively you can run the normal 5800X and get close to the same performance in After Effects as the X3D but save money.
3. You will need a new CPU cooler. That Peerless Assassin 120SE is OK since the Zen 3 Ryzens have a 142W PPT. However, you could also look at the Deepcool AK620 for more cooling performance. It isn't bad to have a better cooler especially if the cost isn't much more.

It is a popular PSU in my country and was widely tested here in Poland. Thank you for the suggestion of 5900X as it really is a better fit for me. I was scared about the difference in the wattage between the cooler that I have now and the one that I will order. If the PSU was of a better quality the cooler change would not force a PSU change?

 

[geofelt]

It turns out that the 5800X and 5900X have the same TDP of 105w.
TDP stands for thermal design power.
More about TDP than you ever wanted to know:
https://gamersnexus.net/guides/3525-amd-ryzen-tdp-explained-deep-dive-cooler-manufacturer-opinions

The main difference between the two processors is that the 5900X has 24 processing threads vs. 16 for the 5800x.
The single thread performance is exactly the same.

What does this mean to you?
If your apps can fully load 24 cores, the 5900x is appropriate.
If your workload is more single thread bound, it makes no difference.

Start up Task manager while you are doing your desired workload.
Right click on the cpu graph and select logical processors.
You can then see how many of your processing threads are used and how heavily.
Windows will spread the activity out so do not expect to see a single thread fully at 100%


As to coolers, Noctua maintains a list of suitable coolers for different processors.
Here is the list for the 5900X:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/AMD-Ryzen-9-5900X-1045
The list for the 5800X is exactly the same.

On power supplies, the warranty is a fair indicator of quality. 5 years is minimum, 7 to 10 gets you good quality as a rule.

 

[jeremyj_83]

Nevertheless that means that I need a better cooler or is the old one from 5500 sufficient? The new cooler will have 2 fans and a radiator and that's why I was concerned about the wattage.

The stock cooler from the 5500 is nowhere near big enough for a 5800X or 5900X. You got the Wraith Stealth cooler which is bare minimum for a 65W TDP CPU, I use that cooler for my 2400G, but the 5800X and 5900X are 105W CPUs. Realize that with the 5000 series AMD went to PPT. That means that a 105W TDP CPU will have a 142W PPT. Any cooler you get should be rated for 190W TDP at minimum for those CPUs.

It is a popular PSU in my country and was widely tested here in Poland. Thank you for the suggestion of 5900X as it really is a better fit for me. I was scared about the difference in the wattage between the cooler that I have now and the one that I will order. If the PSU was of a better quality the cooler change would not force a PSU change?

A CPU Cooler change will not force a PSU change. They have a minimal power draw from the fans. The PSU change is because it is very low quality and could compromise the integrity of the system itself.

 

[lesinos]

The stock cooler from the 5500 is nowhere near big enough for a 5800X or 5900X. You got the Wraith Stealth cooler which is bare minimum for a 65W TDP CPU, I use that cooler for my 2400G, but the 5800X and 5900X are 105W CPUs. Realize that with the 5000 series AMD went to PPT. That means that a 105W TDP CPU will have a 142W PPT. Any cooler you get should be rated for 190W TDP at minimum for those CPUs.


A CPU Cooler change will not force a PSU change. They have a minimal power draw from the fans. The PSU change is because it is very low quality and could compromise the integrity of the system itself.

Dang, I finally understand I thought PPT=TDP. Now it makes sense thank you

 

[jeremyj_83]

Dang, I finally understand I thought PPT=TDP. Now it makes sense thank you

For AMD PPT (Package Power Tracking) is the total amount of power that can go through the socket. That is the cores, IO Die, etc... For AMD the number to know is what the max PPT for that TDP and base your cooling off of that. General rule of thumb is you want your cooling solution to have a max TDP at least 33% higher than the max TDP of your CPU. This will help keep your CPU cooler when under full load.

 

[NedSmelly]

You might want to consider the 5900X instead of the 5800X3D since you are using after effects. It runs an extra $15 here for the 5900X and you get more performance. https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-ryzen-5800x3d-vs-5800x-for-content-creation-2331/ Alternatively you can run the normal 5800X and get close to the same performance in After Effects as the X3D but save money..

I agree wholeheartedly with @jeremyj_83 - for media production the 5900X is a more rational choice than the 5800X3D. The 3D variant can actually be a little slower than the 5800X here, as referenced in Pugetbench.

I’d definitely overprovision on the CPU cooler. I have a Noctua NH-U12S on a 3900X and it‘s already close to capacity during extended renders/encodes, hitting low 80C range.

 

[lesinos]

I agree wholeheartedly with @jeremyj_83 - for media production the 5900X is a more rational choice than the 5800X3D. The 3D variant can actually be a little slower than the 5800X here, as referenced in Pugetbench.

I’d definitely overprovision on the CPU cooler. I have a Noctua NH-U12S on a 3900X and it‘s already close to capacity during extended renders/encodes, hitting low 80C range.

Thank you for your answer. What PSU do you use? Also, do you think that it is rational to give 50$ more for the 5950X?

 

[lesinos]

For AMD PPT (Package Power Tracking) is the total amount of power that can go through the socket. That is the cores, IO Die, etc... For AMD the number to know is what the max PPT for that TDP and base your cooling off of that. General rule of thumb is you want your cooling solution to have a max TDP at least 33% higher than the max TDP of your CPU. This will help keep your CPU cooler when under full load.

Thank you for the explanation. I will take that into consideration when choosing a cooler

 

[NedSmelly]

Thank you for your answer. What PSU do you use?

Corsair RM850x

do you think that it is rational to give 50$ more for the 5950X?

Depends on you. Pugetbench - After Effects CPU