PC upgrade recommendation

[hardtech]

Hi

One user is using following PC for 3DS MAX, AUTOCAD, COREL DRAW, ILLUSTRATOR, PHOTOSHOP , EXCEL, OUTLOOK AND SOMETIME REVIT . But user is saying its sometime slow like autocad cursor moves slowly etc even after formatting system due to continuous crashes...please suggest best upgrade possibilities....

Also in device manager it shows Quadro p5000 & intel graphics but when i check with software like CPU-Z it is showing intel HD graphics 630 with greyed out and no drop down


Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz
Asus H270 PRIME PRO
32 GBytes DDR4 (4x8GB)
NVIDIA Quadro P2000 5gb
256gb sata ssd
1tb hdd
Microsoft Windows 10 (10.0) Professional 64-bit v1803

 

[jeremyj_83]

I'd just go with a whole new build. You can keep your current GPU if you want.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($309.89 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($131.58 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Patriot - Burst 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 960GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($208.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: AMD - Radeon Pro Duo Polaris 32GB Video Card ($453.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Define S ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1633.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-29 13:16 EDT-0400

You have a SSD for OS and applications, the NVMe drive for working on projects (has 1/3 DWPD endurance or about 300GB/day), and a larger HDD for bulk storage.

 

[hardtech]

I'd just go with a whole new build. You can keep your current GPU if you want.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($309.89 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($131.58 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Patriot - Burst 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 960GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($208.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: AMD - Radeon Pro Duo Polaris 32GB Video Card ($453.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Define S ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1633.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-29 13:16 EDT-0400

You have a SSD for OS and applications, the NVMe drive for working on projects (has 1/3 DWPD endurance or about 300GB/day), and a larger HDD for bulk storage.

Why new build? This is just an 1 year OLD PC by this septermber!

 

[Obakasama]

Wouldn't it be more cost effective to find out why the PC is crashing rather than just buying a new PC? If they can afford it, sure, but seems very wasteful.

There's not a great deal of upgrades which seems worthwhile making to that system.

The i7-7700k is the fastest CPU for it, though the H270 motherboard limits its potential.
A Z270 motherboard for more connectivity and overclocking, though I doubt overclocking is a priority.
More RAM, but only if the 32GB is insufficient or requires replacing due to current RAM being faulty.
A more powerful graphics card. Most of these seem superfluous.

 

[jeremyj_83]

AUTOCAD and 3DS MAX respond well to additional CPU resources that was why I recommended a higher core count system.

 

[hardtech]

Wouldn't it be more cost effective to find out why the PC is crashing rather than just buying a new PC? If they can afford it, sure, but seems very wasteful.

There's not a great deal of upgrades which seems worthwhile making to that system.

The i7-7700k is the fastest CPU for it, though the H270 motherboard limits its potential.
A Z270 motherboard for more connectivity and overclocking, though I doubt overclocking is a priority.
More RAM, but only if the 32GB is insufficient or requires replacing due to current RAM being faulty.
A more powerful graphics card. Most of these seem superfluous.

PC is not crashing anymore after formatting, but as per the user he says he is not able to work since sometime the system is slow while running more programs ..I dont want overclocking so pls suggest based on this...

Is upgrading to 64GB RAM and GTX 1080 TI (11GB ) a good upgrade with an M.2 SSD?

 

[jeremyj_83]

Have the user see how much RAM, CPU, and HDD is being used (all are viewable in Task Manager). If RAM is at 80+% used then more RAM would be beneficial. If CPU is at 100% then more CPU power would be beneficial. If the HDD is at 100% and others are low then faster storage would help. If all three are pegged then a new system is the way to go, even if just RAM and CPU are pegged a new system is the way to go.

 

[hardtech]

Have the user see how much RAM, CPU, and HDD is being used (all are viewable in Task Manager). If RAM is at 80+% used then more RAM would be beneficial. If CPU is at 100% then more CPU power would be beneficial. If the HDD is at 100% and others are low then faster storage would help. If all three are pegged then a new system is the way to go, even if just RAM and CPU are pegged a new system is the way to go.

Not all 3 are pegged.. out of 32GB, 22 or 25 may be used...

Why is CPU Z software not showing NVDIA QUADRO as the graphics card ? Its showing ASUS intel graphics card.. any idea on this?

 

[jeremyj_83]

I cannot answer that question about the graphics card unless the drivers aren't installed.
With the RAM you are maxing out right around the magical 75-80% range. At that point it gets harder for Windows to have as much cached in RAM which will cause disk swapping. However, with 32GB you are probably not doing nearly as much swapping as you still have a good amount of free RAM.
What are the disk and CPU usage like?

 

[hardtech]

I cannot answer that question about the graphics card unless the drivers aren't installed.
With the RAM you are maxing out right around the magical 75-80% range. At that point it gets harder for Windows to have as much cached in RAM which will cause disk swapping. However, with 32GB you are probably not doing nearly as much swapping as you still have a good amount of free RAM.
What are the disk and CPU usage like?

One doubt, he uses two monitors. One monitor is connected directly to motherboard and otherone is connected to GRAPHICS CARD. Will he be facing cusor lag in monitor which is connecting to motherboard hdmi port? Its just a doubt even though it may feel stupid

 

[Obakasama]

I would have them check they're actually using the graphics card and not the integrated graphics. It sounds like the PC is running off the integrated graphics which may explain the slowness to some extent. Have them check how they are connecting the monitor to the PC, i.e. to the motherboard port or graphics card port.

The issue I detect after the above responses is this: while the system may only be a year old, you have been suggested a CPU with a higher core/thread count to further make the PC better for the work required of it. The problem is the i7-7700k is the best possible for that motherboard at 4 core and 8 threads.

Although you question jeremyj_83's suggestion of a new build, a CPU with higher core/thread count will require a new build. So if a new CPU is absolutely required, their suggestion is a good start.

EDIT: typing far too slowly.....

 

[jeremyj_83]

I cannot answer that question about the graphics card unless the drivers aren't installed.
With the RAM you are maxing out right around the magical 75-80% range. At that point it gets harder for Windows to have as much cached in RAM which will cause disk swapping. However, with 32GB you are probably not doing nearly as much swapping as you still have a good amount of free RAM.
What are the disk and CPU usage like?

One doubt, he uses two monitors. One monitor is connected directly to motherboard and otherone is connected to GRAPHICS CARD. Will he be facing cusor lag in monitor which is connecting to motherboard hdmi port? Its just a doubt even though it may feel stupid

Why is there a monitor connected to the integrated graphics? That card should have 4 miniDP for connecting displays. I have had to use the motherboard displays when I don't have enough on the card but that hasn't ever caused cursor lag, ie 6 displays running at once. It is possible that you are doing the processing over the integrated graphics though.

 

[hardtech]

How will i know my system is using dedicated or integrated gpu??? What is the recommended setting??

 

[jeremyj_83]

Open the Task Manager and go to the performance tab. At the bottom should show the 2 graphics options on the computer. Start a program that will use a lot of GPU and see which one shows the most activity.

 

[hardtech]

if Intel shows high activity? Which One IS DEFAULT???

 

[Obakasama]

If the integrated graphics is shown as having the most activity, then it should mean it is the default.

Current line of thinking is the integrated graphics is prioritised over the discrete graphics card leading to low performance.

You'd have to enter BIOS to see what option is selected as the default display. Something like PEG is the option. With a graphics card installed, most motherboards should default to the PCIe lane; but some may require choosing it manually to work.

 

[hardtech]

I would have them check they're actually using the graphics card and not the integrated graphics. It sounds like the PC is running off the integrated graphics which may explain the slowness to some extent. Have them check how they are connecting the monitor to the PC, i.e. to the motherboard port or graphics card port.

The issue I detect after the above responses is this: while the system may only be a year old, you have been suggested a CPU with a higher core/thread count to further make the PC better for the work required of it. The problem is the i7-7700k is the best possible for that motherboard at 4 core and 8 threads.

Although you question jeremyj_83's suggestion of a new build, a CPU with higher core/thread count will require a new build. So if a new CPU is absolutely required, their suggestion is a good start.

EDIT: typing far too slowly.....

As i said there are two monitors one is connected to graphics card and other is connected to motherboard port... Will this also causing an issue ? Technically does slowness happens in this situation??

 

[jeremyj_83]

I would have them check they're actually using the graphics card and not the integrated graphics. It sounds like the PC is running off the integrated graphics which may explain the slowness to some extent. Have them check how they are connecting the monitor to the PC, i.e. to the motherboard port or graphics card port.

The issue I detect after the above responses is this: while the system may only be a year old, you have been suggested a CPU with a higher core/thread count to further make the PC better for the work required of it. The problem is the i7-7700k is the best possible for that motherboard at 4 core and 8 threads.

Although you question jeremyj_83's suggestion of a new build, a CPU with higher core/thread count will require a new build. So if a new CPU is absolutely required, their suggestion is a good start.

EDIT: typing far too slowly.....

As i said there are two monitors one is connected to graphics card and other is connected to motherboard port... Will this also causing an issue ? Technically does slowness happens in this situation??

I haven't found this to typically be a performance issue, however, the computers in which I have this setup aren't running graphically intensive workloads. Ideally you go and set the PCIe graphics adapter as the primary and make sure that both monitors are plugged into the GPU. That will make sure that there isn't any problems with performance accessing the display from 2 separate cards.

 

[hardtech]

i have changed the graphics in AUSUS BIOS from AUTO to DEDICATED. After one day of no user complain he still says he is facing same issue ... Mostly he does is restart after this issue.... Before posting problem in forum i have even formatted and reinstalled Windows 10 v 1803. The main programs he use is AUTOCAD, 3DS MAX, GOOGLE CHROME, EDGE, EXCEL , OUTLOOK .Any suggestions or solutions |🙁

 

[izoli]

Is he still plugging one monitor into mainboard? Plug both of the monitors into the gpu, if its plugged into the mainboard it will either not work at all or will be using the integrated graphics which will hinder cpu operations.

 

[hardtech]

No now i put both in dedicated graphics.. i believe its app crash being generated in event viewer especially when he converrts AUTOCAD drawing and also explorer.exe and microsoft.photos.exe stopped interacting with windows error is generated when i checked the log

 

[hardtech]

When he took photo when it freezed or slowed the cursor... i saw in photo nothing was highly used.. the ram was 47% graphics was 0 and CPU was 15 ..SSD AND HDD was zero