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Hi, I recently ran a Crucial Scan on my desktop PC to see what improvements could be made. The result was I could improve my Ram from 4X8 GB to a 4X16 GB DDR4-3200 UDIMM and also install a P5 Plus 1TB PCle M.2 2280SS gaming SSD hard drive. The question is my motherboard is a B250 M Mortar and would the following Ram and SSD be suitable: Ram 1X16 GB ADATA Premier DDR4 3200Mhz System memory, SSD ADATA 2TB Legend 700 M.2 22180SS PCle Gen 3 NVMe SSD. Thanks in advance
 
What operations or software do you run that can take advantage of 64GB of memory? For most users, the vast majority of that memory would go unused and would be a waste of money. "Crucial scan" is not how you determine what might actually improve your performance and if you already have between 16-32GB of memory it's highly unlikely that adding memory is going to do anything for you unless you run high end graphics, scientific or VM applications.

What are your FULL hardware specifications including CPU, motherboard, exact power supply model, CPU cooler, case, etc.?
 
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Motherboard spec sheet says this about storage:

6 x SATA 6Gb/s ports, 1 x M.2 slot


So it is unclear if the M.2 supports SATA, NVMe, or both.

You now have 32 gb RAM in a 4 x 8 kit?

And you are considering "1X16 GB ADATA Premier DDR4 3200Mhz"????

Or "4X16 GB DDR4-3200 UDIMM"???

UDIMM on a desktop raises eyebrows.

Sounds like a bad idea but I have a feeling I'm not exactly understanding your situation or intent.

Not impossible, but relatively uncommon that you would see noticeable improvement going beyond 32 gb RAM. Details of your use case is unknown other than you are seeking "improvement".
 
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Actually, the specifications specifically indicate it supports PCIe AND SATA devices.

1x M.2 slot (Key M)
Support up to PCIe 3.0 x4 and SATA 6Gb/s
Supports 2242/ 2260 /2280/ 22110 storage devices


And yes, you would not want to add four individually purchased memory modules to obtain 4 x16GB. You would, IF it made any sense to upgrade to 64GB, want to buy it ALL in ONE single kit that comes with four matched and tested modules. Also, that board only supports memory speeds of 2133mhz if you have a 6th Gen processor and up to 2400mhz max if you have a 7th Gen processor. Buying 3200mhz memory is a waste of money on that board based on the specifications listed in the manual.
 
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What operations or software do you run that can take advantage of 64GB of memory? For most users, the vast majority of that memory would go unused and would be a waste of money. "Crucial scan" is not how you determine what might actually improve your performance and if you already have between 16-32GB of memory it's highly unlikely that adding memory is going to do anything for you unless you run high end graphics, scientific or VM applications.

What are your FULL hardware specifications including CPU, motherboard, exact power supply model, CPU cooler, case, etc.?
Hi Thanks for Reply. Windows 10 Home Vers 22H2. CPU is Intel i7-7700K @ 4.20 ghz . MSI Z270M/B250M motherboard, I had a liquid cooler but it wasn't working so was taken out. EVGA 700watt Power Supply and I do a lot of Flight Sims MSFS20. I can't tell you much more as I am not very clever regarding computers. Thanks again
 
It can't be both Z270 and B250. It can only be one or the other. They are entirely different chipsets. Z270 is the premium chipset for that generation of Intel. B250 is a less premium chipset family. If you have a Z270 motherboard then you can use much faster memory, but if you have a B250 motherboard with that 7th Gen Intel CPU, then you cannot run memory at faster than 2400mhz speeds.

So, what is the actual model or series of the power supply? If you are unsure, it would be listed on the box it came in if you still have that or it would be listed on the specifications label on the side of the power supply. EVGA doesn't have any (In recent memory, like, over the last five to eight years or so) decent quality 700w units so either that is a low quality model or it's very old. Any idea how old that PSU actually is? Was it new when the build was new or was it from before that time?

What graphics card are you running? In reality if MS flight simulator is your primary target usage or your most demanding one, then adding more memory isn't likely to do anything for you. You already have 32GB which is already double the recommended RAM requirement for MS flight simulator 2020 and there are a total of ZERO games out there that want to see more than 32GB of RAM. Most of them won't even use 16GB. There are a few, but VERY few, that will actually use 16GB or slightly more, and none of them are flight sims that I'm aware of.
 
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I have the PC about 6 yrs, the motherboard is B250 Mortar. The graphics card is a GTX 980. If you reckon I am ok for ram would the SSD offer me any improvement on the Flight sim or would a better graphics card be a more worthwhile investment. Thanks for your patience.
 
That really depends on what you have now.

Please list the exact model numbers of ALL storage devices, especially those used for Windows and if you use a different drive to store game files, that drive as well. Others, still important, but not AS much.
 
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That really depends on what you have now.

Please list the exact model numbers of ALL storage devices, especially those used for Windows and if you use a different drive to store game files, that drive as well. Others, still important, but not AS much.
Hi I was hoping to use the SSD for Flight Sim only
 
Well, that's why I asked what you have now. ALL relevant hardware. I can't possibly know if an SSD is going to offer you a performance upgrade if I don't know what you're using now to store and run the flight sim off of. Nor for other things either. So, if you are running the flight sim off of a hard disk drive right now, then obviously you are going to see greatly improved times when loading levels, maps, textures, etc. but you will not see any performance increase in actual gameplay. That's a good thing, as regards loading times, because having faster loading times can make some areas of any game seem a lot more seamless and not having to just wait around while things are loading. It's not going to give you lower latency, more FPS or smoother gameplay though.

You MIGHT want to look at graphics card upgrades. The GTX 980 is getting pretty long in the tooth by now. I mean, you DO meet the recommended requirements of a GTX 970 or higher, but that doesn't mean that the addition of a better graphics card isn't going to improve anything. It will offer some improvements in performance however you do NOT meet the "recommended" requirements for CPU which recommends a minimum of an i5-8400 or Ryzen 5 1500x or better. Your 7700k is better than what the minimum requirements ask for but it falls short of the recommended i5-8400 and there is a good chance that if you are seeing problems it might be due to a lack of CPU performance. Unfortunately there is nowhere for you to go as far as upgrading that platform, so you would need at minimum a new motherboard and CPU if you wanted to upgrade the CPU. You could potentially reuse the memory you have but if it is only 2400mhz memory then that itself is going to be somewhat of an Achilles heel to the new platform as 2400mhz is very slow for newer hardware.

What exactly is the reason you are looking to upgrade? Are you actually having problems with your flight sim or are you just having the upgrade itch?
 
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Well, that's why I asked what you have now. ALL relevant hardware. I can't possibly know if an SSD is going to offer you a performance upgrade if I don't know what you're using now to store and run the flight sim off of. Nor for other things either. So, if you are running the flight sim off of a hard disk drive right now, then obviously you are going to see greatly improved times when loading levels, maps, textures, etc. but you will not see any performance increase in actual gameplay. That's a good thing, as regards loading times, because having faster loading times can make some areas of any game seem a lot more seamless and not having to just wait around while things are loading. It's not going to give you lower latency, more FPS or smoother gameplay though.

You MIGHT want to look at graphics card upgrades. The GTX 980 is getting pretty long in the tooth by now. I mean, you DO meet the recommended requirements of a GTX 970 or higher, but that doesn't mean that the addition of a better graphics card isn't going to improve anything. It will offer some improvements in performance however you do NOT meet the "recommended" requirements for CPU which recommends a minimum of an i5-8400 or Ryzen 5 1500x or better. Your 7700k is better than what the minimum requirements ask for but it falls short of the recommended i5-8400 and there is a good chance that if you are seeing problems it might be due to a lack of CPU performance. Unfortunately there is nowhere for you to go as far as upgrading that platform, so you would need at minimum a new motherboard and CPU if you wanted to upgrade the CPU. You could potentially reuse the memory you have but if it is only 2400mhz memory then that itself is going to be somewhat of an Achilles heel to the new platform as 2400mhz is very slow for newer hardware.

What exactly is the reason you are looking to upgrade? Are you actually having problems with your flight sim or are you just having the upgrade itch?
Hi Thanks for all the information. My wife asked what I wanted for a birthday present and I thought I could upgrade my PC. I was surprised to see that the PC could take 64 GB Ram and a solid state drive and that is why I asked the question. Regarding present hard drives 1000.98 GB NTFS file system serial no FCDEO9A7 with windows installed and another 1000.98 GB NTFS file system serial no D8D6CD24 for Flight sim and other programs. I'm sorry I can't be more specific but I just don't know much about techie info. From what I gather you reckon it would be a waste of money and I would be better off thinking of new PC down the road. You are very kind with your time and all the advice you have given it is much appreciated.
 
Hi Thanks for all the information. My wife asked what I wanted for a birthday present and I thought I could upgrade my PC. I was surprised to see that the PC could take 64 GB Ram and a solid state drive and that is why I asked the question. Regarding present hard drives 1000.98 GB NTFS file system serial no FCDEO9A7 with windows installed and another 1000.98 GB NTFS file system serial no D8D6CD24 for Flight sim and other programs. I'm sorry I can't be more specific but I just don't know much about techie info. From what I gather you reckon it would be a waste of money and I would be better off thinking of new PC down the road. You are very kind with your time and all the advice you have given it is much appreciated.
Run this and post a LINK to the results page.
UBM

That will show most of the parts involved.
 
So, since it seems you are running an old style mechanical hard drive for both the operating system AND the flight sim files, then I'd have to say that perhaps that might be your best low cost option for an upgrade or upgrades, and has the added benefit that if you should happen to upgrade the whole system anytime in the next year or two then any SSD you puchase can be used with that system as well, meaning it is not a waste to spend money on one whether you have plans to upgrade or not.

I would really recommend upgrading BOTH drives, so that you have two SSDs, one for Windows and applications and one for your game files. You can then ALSO use those mechanical hard drives for backup images of Windows, any important personal files and your game files, so that you always have backups of everything important which you absolutely SHOULD have no matter what. Always have AT LEAST two copies of anything important because it's never a question of IF a drive will die, it is only ever a question of WHEN. And real life isn't like the movies. When a drive dies, even if you could afford to send it to a data recovery specialist, it is not particularly common that they are able to rescue all or in some cases even ANY of your data. The best recovery method is to always have a backup. That's actual insurance rather than a pipe dream or wishful thinking.

I think that you would be likely to see a real improvement and a system that "feels" much "snappier" if you upgraded both drives. While you won't see actual gaming performance improve due to the addition of an SSD you WILL see Windows and therefore some aspects of the game performance improve because Windows is constantly calling on data from the drive for various processes including for your game engine, so in that way as well as in general usage, you'll feel the difference markedly improved.

You could do something like this and then either do a clean install of Windows to the new SSD or clone your existing Windows installation to it. As well, you can simply move your game files from their current home to the other new SSD if you chose to do this.

Since your motherboard supports PCIe NVME M.2 drives, I'd probably recommend doing something like this for the OS drive. Keep in mind, there ARE lower priced models that are still relatively good products, but they are primarily going to be ones without any DRAM cache, and will therefore tend to be considerably slower than models with cache and a good controller like this drive has. For the price, very difficult to beat.

PCPartPicker Part List

Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($45.90 @ Newegg)
Total: $45.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-11 13:55 EDT-0400




And then for the game files, something like this would be perfectly suitable and would certainly benefit you in terms of not having to wait while around for days while things load whether it be levels, new maps and terrain, textures or other game data. Not to mention, it frees up your HDDs for backup duties like I said before. Plus, given the idea that those HDDs are likely several years old at least, it puts your operating system and flight sim files on newer hardware that is less likely to die on you anytime soon.

Again, there are less expensive 1TB SSDs out there, but this is the least expensive model that has both a DRAM cache, which matters, because it makes the drive much more consistently faster, and a five year warranty compared to only a 3 year warranty for pretty much every non-DRAM budget model that is less expensive. Certainly those DRAM-less budget models are still an option if the budget is REALLY very critical, and will still have much better performance than any hard disk drive, but the ten bucks or so that you save are generally not worth the savings when you compare the performance, reliability and warranty of them with a drive like this.

PCPartPicker Part List

Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($51.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $51.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-11 14:07 EDT-0400


So, as far as not getting immediately out of hand with the cost of hardware or an upgrade, I think those two options are your best ones for a relatively budget friendly upgrade that doesn't totally break the bank or require a serious investment to obtain.