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In news:slrnd5tl0i.ibs.keith.davies@kjdavies.org,
Keith Davies <keith.davies@kjdavies.org> typed:
> Neal Stephenson wrote Cryptonomicon in a similar fashion, switching
> between two main characters during World War II and a main character
> (grandson of one of the WWII characters) 'now'.

He any good at it? Many writers try the technique but most fail miserably.
Talion was one of the few where it didn't bother me to skip between
timeperiods.

--
T. Koivula
 
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In news:1ND7e.11670$5F3.10552@news-server.bigpond.net.au,
Christopher Adams <mhacdebhandia@yahoo.invalid> typed:
> (Of course, in the same thread Gygax claims that a paladin killing
> orcs converted to LG would be "sending them to a heavenly reward
> before they can backslide into evil" and thus doing them a good turn,
> so he's crazy, but still.)

Just a basic religious viewpoint. Is Gygax christian? Or perhaps he was
trying to explain how someone as zealous as a paladin would consider the
matter.

--
T. Koivula
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jd6dndu62M-6PMLfRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
> > > Well, *I* am not pretending. Your statements are not well reasoned,
by any
> > > stretch of the imagination.
> >
> > Prove it, bitch.
>
> Eeeh... why bother? It's not like you'd recognize it even if I did...

More irony!

News flash, jungle love. When two parties are both claiming sole
proprietorship of the truth, only one can be right.
And it ain't you.

-Michael
 
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"Michael Scott Brown" <mistermichael@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:sSR7e.6555$lP1.2956@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:jd6dndu62M-6PMLfRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
> > > > Well, *I* am not pretending. Your statements are not well reasoned,
> by any
> > > > stretch of the imagination.
> > >
> > > Prove it, bitch.
> >
> > Eeeh... why bother? It's not like you'd recognize it even if I did...
>
> More irony!
>
> News flash, jungle love. When two parties are both claiming sole
> proprietorship of the truth, only one can be right.
> And it ain't you.

Prove it, bitch.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:-d-dnafEV9JJasLfRVn-vg@comcast.com...
> "Michael Scott Brown" <mistermichael@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > More irony!
> >
> > News flash, jungle love. When two parties are both claiming sole
> > proprietorship of the truth, only one can be right.
> > And it ain't you.
>
> Prove it, bitch.

I already have. The references posted here every time you have a
"communication problem" - by both yourself and others - have already
established definitively that the individual with the delusions is you,
Jeffie. I mean, come *on* - you cited a definition of ad hominem fallacy
that proved decisively that what you said about its definition was wrong!
You haven't bothered replying to that little expose, just as you have ducked
and run from so many others. You're a pussy, Jeff. Snip, run, cover your
eyes, pretend that no-one ever showed you in error ... "genius".
Your behaviour insults everyone here - and your claims to membership in
the club of the mentall competent offends everyone in the *world*.
Get off your ass and improve yourself.

-Michael
 
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"Michael Scott Brown" <mistermichael@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:xlT7e.7004$An2.3397@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> I already have. The references posted here every time you have a
> "communication problem" - by both yourself and others - have already
> established definitively that the individual with the delusions is you,
> Jeffie. I mean, come *on* - you cited a definition of ad hominem fallacy
> that proved decisively that what you said about its definition was wrong!

Only to those who literally can't read.

It's sad. You honestly believe you're fooling people with this, don't you?

> You haven't bothered replying to that little expose, just as you have
ducked
> and run from so many others. You're a pussy, Jeff. Snip, run, cover your
> eyes, pretend that no-one ever showed you in error ... "genius".

There's only so much I can do to prove to you that you are wrong. Once it
comes to trying to draw blood from a stone(ie your skull), there's not much
further point, now is there?

> Your behaviour insults everyone here - and your claims to membership in
> the club of the mentall competent offends everyone in the *world*.
> Get off your ass and improve yourself.

<few moments pause for the irony of those statements to sink in to MSB's
skull>
How's that mirror looking?

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
 
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:04:55 GMT, Keith Davies
<keith.davies@kjdavies.org> carved upon a tablet of ether:

> I dunno *where* they get 'nY' O mee'.

By scanning her name as Naiomi, probably - it's not that uncommon a
name.


--
Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
"Just because the truth will set you free doesn't mean the truth itself
should be free."
 
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Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:04:55 GMT, Keith Davies
><keith.davies@kjdavies.org> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
>> I dunno *where* they get 'nY' O mee'.
>
> By scanning her name as Naiomi, probably - it's not that uncommon a
> name.

I've never seen it spelled that way in my life.

Bradd's explanation makes sense, though -- many English speakers don't
like multiple consecutive vowel sounds and gradual modification has
changed the pronunciation.

Me, I've studied English, French, German, and learned some Japanese.
I'm accustomed to consecutive vowel sounds and even some odd consecutive
consonants. Russian gives me grief, though, and I have to read Welsh
slowly (converting 'Welsh letters' into 'English sounds', as it were --
I don't actually know Welsh).

Impressed my (Welsh) boss a few times when I was able to correctly
pronounce some names. Impressed him even more when I was able to
translate 'DV' on a note he'd left about when he'd return to the office.

David: "'Back Thursday, DV', Bob?"
Me : "Deus Volent -- god willing." (conjugation/spelling dubious)
Bob : "Right. Wait a minute, how'd you know that?"
Me : "Grade 8 Latin"


Keith
--
Keith Davies "Trying to sway him from his current kook-
keith.davies@kjdavies.org rant with facts is like trying to create
keith.davies@gmail.com a vacuum in a room by pushing the air
http://www.kjdavies.org/ out with your hands." -- Matt Frisch
 
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:37:28 -0400, "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net>
scribed into the ether:

>"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
>news😱psu5151nd8km6baak5ca5to6mt80rslo7@4ax.com...
>> >The shorter the timeframe of removal, the more hamfisted it will be.
>>
>> False. Time frame is not important.
>
>The time frame *IS* important, when speaking to hamfistyness.

It really isn't. You can come up with a THISITEMMUSTBEGONENOW solution that
is hamfisted, and one that isn't, both of which eliminate the item in
question.

A hamfisted solution that takes 3 months is still hamfisted.
 
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"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
news:up6061diads17r559uf45chbtamvp8h5vn@4ax.com...
> >The time frame *IS* important, when speaking to hamfistyness.
>
> It really isn't. You can come up with a THISITEMMUSTBEGONENOW solution
that
> is hamfisted, and one that isn't, both of which eliminate the item in
> question.

Ok, then, tuff guy, go for it. What's the non-hamfisted "now" solution?
Nobody's come up with one yet.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
 
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:20:22 GMT, Matt Frisch
<matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:

> No nasty letters from Ian Fleming's people?

I'd be more concerned about deBeer's.


--
Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
"Just because the truth will set you free doesn't mean the truth itself
should be free."
 
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In article <qKydndBZ_JNdqv3fRVn-tw@comcast.com>,
Jeff Goslin <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
>news:m36061pr3rvi5krokk265n67p5tiek2aiu@4ax.com...
>> Change the perception, and the emotion is changed along with it.
>
>In a perfect world, that MIGHT be true. However, we do not live in a
>perfect world, nor do we interact with rational people all the time. Change
>the perception and the emotions are automatically changed, huh? Wow, it
>must be nice to live in YOUR fantasy world.

The field of Cognitive Therapy is based on just such a change -- changing
"thoughts" specifically instead of just "perception" but there's a huge
overlap.
--
"Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/ qucis->cs to reply (it's a long story...)
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hbmdna42V-_ruP3fRVn-hA@comcast.com...
> "Michael Scott Brown" <mistermichael@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:xlT7e.7004$An2.3397@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > I already have. The references posted here every time you have a
> > "communication problem" - by both yourself and others - have already
> > established definitively that the individual with the delusions is you,
> > Jeffie. I mean, come *on* - you cited a definition of ad hominem fallacy
> > that proved decisively that what you said about its definition was
wrong!
>
> Only to those who literally can't read.

Oh, that's too bloody funny. What, the all caps didn't sink in?
*INSTEAD OF THE ARGUMENT*?
*Moron*.

> It's sad. You honestly believe you're fooling people with this, don't
you?

And there's the irony-prize winning statement of the week. Goslin, do
you even COMPREHEND that you *misintepreted* the very definition you cited?
DO YOU?

-Michael
 
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Bradd wrote:
>> MSB claims that his insults are merely "observations," not intended to
>> bolster his argument. I don't believe that for a second.

Michael Scott Brown wrote:
> Your disbelief has no bearing on the truth of the matter --

Of course it doesn't; that would be bizarrely solipsist. Still doesn't
change the fact that I don't believe the thin rationalizations for your
bad behavior, juicebag.
--
Bradd W. Szonye
http://www.szonye.com/bradd
 
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"Bradd W. Szonye" <bradd+news@szonye.com> wrote in message
news:slrnd61078.8fs.bradd+news@szonye.com...
> Bradd wrote:
> >> MSB claims that his insults are merely "observations," not intended to
> >> bolster his argument. I don't believe that for a second.
>
> Michael Scott Brown wrote:
> > Your disbelief has no bearing on the truth of the matter --
>
> Of course it doesn't; that would be bizarrely solipsist. Still doesn't
> change the fact that I don't believe the thin rationalizations for your
> bad behavior, juicebag.

Which just goes to show the newsgroup that you are something of a fool,
given that the motives and methods of MSB are matters of record.

-Michael
 
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"Michael Scott Brown" <mistermichael@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7H_7e.6941$lP1.1631@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> And there's the irony-prize winning statement of the week. Goslin, do
> you even COMPREHEND that you *misintepreted* the very definition you
cited?
> DO YOU?

You don't address the actual argument, pretty much ever. Every now and
then, you actually address an argument, but that's the exception rather than
the rule. For the most part, it's "moron", "jackass", "you're so stupid",
and a variety of other insults that don't address the point. Your saying
it's not so is simply a very clear indication of your stubborn nature,
nothing more.

And no, I didn't misinterpret the definition. You DON'T address the
argument, you address the arguer. As such, it is ad hominem and a logical
fallacy(more often than not). You can keep denying it all you like, but the
simple truth of the matter is that you lack the ability to effectively
argue, and all your admonitions to the contrary only serve to bolster my
position.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
 
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chris.spol@gmail.com wrote:
>> If I state you are wrong because (i) you're premise doesn't support
>> your concusion and (ii) you are stupid, I have committed an ad hominem.

tussock scrub@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> Not really.

Yes, exactly. If you use a personal attack to bolster or distract from
an argument, that's ad hominem fallacy.

> Argumentum ad hominem rejects arguments *falsely*.

Your meaning is unclear, because "falsely" isn't the right word in this
context.

> Saying someone is wrong because they have committed a particular
> error, and so they are stupid isn't false in regards the original
> argument; it just contains an added insult.

When the added insult attacks the other guy's credibility, it's almost
always ad hominem fallacy unless credibility is the focus of the
argument, as it often is in witness testimony.

> ... MSB is fairly consistant in arguing that people who make logical
> errors are stupid, and likes to bring that argument up whenever
> they're made.

And that is an example of ad hominem fallacy. It's sufficient to point
out the error. Ranting about the other guy's stupidity serves no purpose
but to confuse the issue with emotion (often on both sides, as we often
see in MSB's case). It derails reason, and that's why many logicians
consider it fallacious even if it's done in addition to an argument.

And in MSB's case, he gets sloppy once he gets to ranting, such that his
arguments don't hold up. Point it out, and he vomits up defense
mechanisms.
--
Bradd W. Szonye
http://www.szonye.com/bradd
 
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Jeff Heikkinen <no.way@jose.org> wrote:
> (Okay, seriously, the idea is this. "Taking the place of argument" can
> mean "no argument is present, only personal attacks". But it can also
> mean "serving to distract from the argument", most often from weaknesses
> in same. I'm not attached to either usage and thus, not about to argue
> that one is right and the other is wrong, but I can see both as being
> legitimate.

Bingo!

> And, your above argument against Bradd's view is REALLY stupid. You can
> and usually do come up with a lot better.)

Some folks might even call it a straw man.
--
Bradd W. Szonye
http://www.szonye.com/bradd
 
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Bradd wrote:
>> Yes, exactly. If you use a personal attack to bolster or distract from
>> an argument, that's ad hominem fallacy.

Michael Scott Brown wrote:
> Bradd, STOP LYING TO THE NEWSGROUP. The *fallacy* SOLELY CONSISTS of
> addressing the qualities of the speaker *in order* to repulse (or
> reinforce) their argument. Hurling insults *as well*, for all that
> Bradd The Thong thinks they are "distracting", has nothing to do with
> REASONING or with the construction of an ARGUMENT --

Of course it does. RTFM, juicebag.

>> ... It derails reason, and that's why many logicians consider it
>> fallacious even if it's done in addition to an argument.

> BULLSHIT. "Many logicians"? You can't find a single one with the
> balls to make that claim except yourself, jackass ....

I quoted an encyclopedia that makes the claim. Jeff Heikkinen, who
teaches the subject, backed it up. You're out of your league.
--
Bradd W. Szonye
http://www.szonye.com/bradd
 
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Keith Davies wrote:
> I dunno *where* they get 'nY' O mee' .... Bradd's explanation makes
> sense, though -- many English speakers don't like multiple consecutive
> vowel sounds and gradual modification has changed the pronunciation.

Oh, I forgot to mention this the first time: Some English speakers elide
the A in "Naomi" instead of inserting a Y sound. For example, my great
aunt's name was Naomi, and her family called her "Nomie."
--
Bradd W. Szonye
http://www.szonye.com/bradd
 
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Bradd W. Szonye wrote:
> Keith Davies wrote:
>
>>I dunno *where* they get 'nY' O mee' .... Bradd's explanation makes
>>sense, though -- many English speakers don't like multiple consecutive
>>vowel sounds and gradual modification has changed the pronunciation.
>
>
> Oh, I forgot to mention this the first time: Some English speakers elide
> the A in "Naomi" instead of inserting a Y sound. For example, my great
> aunt's name was Naomi, and her family called her "Nomie."

I always heard it pronounced "Nay-OH-mee".

--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/seawasp/
 
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Keith Davies wrote:

> Incidentally, have you looked over my class framework pages? What do
> you think?

Neat ideas in there. Do you use these classes currently IYC? How
exactly do the Basic classes work with the Advanced classes? Do you
have to start with a Basic class at first level and "graduate" to an
Advanced class?

--
Jay Knioum
The Mad Afro
 
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Bradd W. Szonye wrote:
> Jay Knioum explained how to pronounce his name:
> > "KEY-num"
>
> Ah, I've been wondering about that.
>
> > Probably incorrect, but we've been saying it that way for
generations.
>
> I was trying to figure out its ethnic origin, and then trying to
guess
> how it'd be Anglicized. I'm pretty sure that's a little bit wrong
> regardless of the origin! I would've guessed "nee-oom" or maybe
> "knee-oom" with an audible K.

Yeah, the audible K is how I suspect it's supposed to be; like Knute.
As to the origin; we haven't been able to track it down. Records are
apparently scarce after a couple generations on my dad's side.

--
Jay Knioum
The Mad Afro
 
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"Bradd W. Szonye" <bradd+news@szonye.com> wrote in message
news:slrnd61p96.8j7.bradd+news@szonye.com...
> > BULLSHIT. "Many logicians"? You can't find a single one with the
> > balls to make that claim except yourself, jackass ....
>
> I quoted an encyclopedia that makes the claim. Jeff Heikkinen, who
> teaches the subject, backed it up. You're out of your league.

Your grasp of nuance is blatantly incorrect, buckwheat.

It's very simple.

You are wrong.
You are a moron.

The second sentence there is not a logical fallacy.

I *dare* you to prove otherwise.

-Michael
 
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Bradd W. Szonye <bradd+news@szonye.com> wrote:
> Keith Davies wrote:
>> I dunno *where* they get 'nY' O mee' .... Bradd's explanation makes
>> sense, though -- many English speakers don't like multiple consecutive
>> vowel sounds and gradual modification has changed the pronunciation.
>
> Oh, I forgot to mention this the first time: Some English speakers elide
> the A in "Naomi" instead of inserting a Y sound. For example, my great
> aunt's name was Naomi, and her family called her "Nomie."

This appears to happen in Japanese as well. It's not *completely*
elided, but it sort of gets folded into the 'en' sound. Other times it
seems the 'oh' sound gets elided. 'Nao-chan' can sound like 'Na-chan'

That doesn't sound wrong to me, though. 'Nyomi' does.


Keith
--
Keith Davies "Trying to sway him from his current kook-
keith.davies@kjdavies.org rant with facts is like trying to create
keith.davies@gmail.com a vacuum in a room by pushing the air
http://www.kjdavies.org/ out with your hands." -- Matt Frisch
 
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