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That'll be a rough comparison in games (e8400) but I guess you'll find out. For me though, mine's competition is a 2 year old AMD X2 with DDR1 ram, so I have a feeling I'm about to be really impressed. Now, if only UPS could find a way to get it to me before the weekend.
 


I think your spot on with that. I've got an old skt 939 4800x2 and been waiting to see how everything pans out. All the reviews show P2 being slower clock for clock against Yorkfield. Overclocking so far looks as good as any C2Q. But the price doesn't offer any reason to for it instead of a Q9550 which in the UK is the same price. Not only that but over here a good P45 mobo is cheaper than any 790FX mobo so the overall system is cheaper. Seeing as I need new everything there just isn't any point going with the AMD solution which I would like to do. I'm not going to pay more for less performance regardless of my preferences.

I might wait for AM3 to see how that fairs. But while many would say AM3 is a little more future proof, its not really because untill 2011 there is no new cpu arch coming out from AMD. Because P2 cannot compete even closly with i7 and now unlikely to with i5 any AM3 system will look obsolete come the start of 2010.

So to conclude the best option is to go with Core i7. Except its not because its too expensive at the moment and I need a system now because mine is dying an old haggered death so the conclusion is still to go with a C2Q same as it has been for the past 2 sodding years.
 
Just about what I expected.

Rufus, didn't P1 release at a higher price? then drop to $220 and hold for a few months, until news of the PII?. I can't remember for sure.
 
i believe so but this one may have more staying power as it isn't the disappointment the p1 was. i don't even remember now except i chose not to buy one. price played little into it for me.
 


No problem, for me to have a decent reply, i need the weekend. I don't have timeframes to do stuff, but it si pretty exausting sometimes. Don't worry, im always checking this forums.



That doesn't surprises me much, because semi-conductor shipping was in all time high at august if i recall correctly. Between production, shipping and selling it fits the frame. That time news were flooded with "IT imune to crisis" titles.
Excess stock, increase in time the buying cycle (less is better, like the benchies), retraction due to Joe Consumers that ARE in crisis, and more Joe Consumers retracting because they are just afraid.

So, nothing bad. BTW, top sales for OEMs are in Xmas and BTS (Back to School). Intel shares fall ? Good time to buy :)


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The Barrel of Oil falled 6$ the day Lehman Brothers fileld for Chapter 11. Or did Paulson did make them file for Chapter 7?
Anyway, point is a joke i made to "dumb" friend:

- This isn't a crisis, is a devaluation of the inflaccionist markets. (This was a joke, i'm not pedantic, just have a strange humor)

But without those markets, the Oil (and derivates) are back to his real value. God, i really hope all that money invested in....making more money (exclusivly) will return to companies that make stuff and have R&D. Really.

Anyway Turpit, ill be checking it, and i'll be happy to agree/disagree with you.
 


I'm an AMD fan, not an AMD fanboy. :lol: I'm realistic when Intel's on top, but hopeful when AMD makes improvements. Plus, and this is only partly a joke, I'm middle aged and used to pins on the CPU.

AMD's quite good at my price range and I don't mind supporting them. I prefer ATI/AMD chipsets to Nvidia or Intel, and I had an Nvidia 405 chipset board with an Athlon X2 and an i865 board that did well with 2 Northwood upgrades. Once I switched to 690G, 690V and 780G boards for our PC's I was quite impressed.

I'm tempted to wait for the AM3 just in case I want to transfer the CPU to an 880G board later. Ideally, that's the build I want, but I'm planning on getting an Acer 20.5 1920 x 1080 LCD to replace my old CRT and I want to switch to two 1 terabyte Seagates as well. Maybe get a new 750 or 850 watt Corsair or Antec PSU. So, saving money by using my current 780G board and DDR2 800 is a good idea.

Though I'd love to have a 4850x2 or a 4870 1 gig (which is best for gaming at Blu-ray resolutions? I'll have to research that), new ATI GPU's are coming out in June and I bought too early last year. Only 5 months after I spent $450 on the 3870x2, the 4850 came out at half the price, same speed but with no Crossfire issues. I'm not sure I want to buy a new GPU at income tax refund and bonus time considering ATI's switched their GPU release date to late spring, early summer.




They're aiming at the upgrade market initially, plus I suspect some AMD suits were surprised to find that they could have charged more for the 4870 and didn't, so they're going for the highest price the market will bear now.

Anand's mentioned Intel price cuts at the end of January, so I expect AMD will cut prices once the AM3 platform arrives. Right now, the only Intel quads that I've seen that are really cheaper are the Q 8200 and the EOL Q6600. Neither are significantly better than the 920:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492&p=18

So, AMD can charge a bit more right now, but not much more, and not for long.

Am I the only fan of good ATI/AMD chipsets? I can accept a budget AMD CPU along with a chipset that's better than Intel's in virtually every way (and usually more dependable than Nvidia's, though Nvidia competes with IGP's, whereas Intel's an epic fail).

Hellboy made a great joke when I mused my wife would get my CPU and motherboard if I upgraded to Phenom II. He riffed off of the fanboy's "AMD4life" and recommended I go "AMD4wife".

I checked her 690G ASUS board and it has a bios that supports the 8750, so I'll only need to transfer the CPU (she has a 4600+ currently). I'll get the 920 most likely, and just stick with that unless 880G is compelling. Bulldozer isn't that far away, unless it's the very end of 2011.
 


I still remember when I moved up from a 386SX-40 AMD board to a new build with a Cyrix 486DLC-40 (didn't know much about motherboards back then, bought the cheapest, ended up with some PC Chips junk). The 386SX chips were already soldered to the motherboard, but the later generations were LIF.

I was thinking "what?!" I had to learn to identify pin 1 and insert the CPU with low force. That usually worked out, except when I misidentified pin one and destroyed a perfectly good 486DX2-50 and had to replace it. Boy was I glad when Pentium arrived with ZIF sockets. I went from a P75 to a P120 to a P166 on the same board, then upgraded to an AMD K62-450 until I went for Williamette instead of Athlon (that Tom's Hardware frying an egg video with the heat sink removed convinced me).

It's not that I mind pins on the mobo, but I hate Intel heatsinks now. Everytime I've helped friends with them, it's been one corner not connecting right the first couple of tries. AMD heatsinks are much easier.

Maybe I'm just getting old? :lol:
 
Yeah, I like AMD heatsinks, at least for installation. I felt like I was going to break something when I was removing an old AMD stock heatsink from my new board though. Still, nice and snug is good while it is running.
 
Has anyone seen any direct comparison data between the 6000+ and Phenom II?
So far review sites for Phenom II have included lots of older Intel quad-cores and
some Intel duals in testing, but I've not been able to find one that also covers AMD's
older dual-cores, especially when paired with a card that is not from the current
mega top-end expensive range.

I have a 3.25GHz 6000+ with an 8800GT (11762 3DMark06). If I replace the card at
some point with a newer part, will it help much if I also replace the CPU with a
Phenom II? Or if I keep the same gfx card, would a Phenom II help for running newer
games? Can't find answers to these questions as yet.

Irony is my next complete system will likely be an i7 as I intend to do a heck of a lot
of video encoding, unless it turns out, at the time, that I can get two complete Phenom II
systems for the same price as one i7 system. In the meantime though, it'd be nice to
know whether a Phenom II is worth bothering with. I have CoD4 in its box not yet
opened, but perhaps my current setup is sufficient to play it ok (I use a 22" CRT but
presently run Oblivion/Stalker at 2048 x 1536, no AA, 16X AF, max details).

Ian.

 
I got to say,, the socket 775 and et al are much better designs for installation of processors...

The thing that leads it down is the heatsink, many people have not correctly fitted a Intel heatsink only to find that the pc stops booting or resetting constantly..

Although i have never had this problem - i always put the chip on the motherboard before i put it in the case, but AMDs are easier for heat sink installation when the boards in the case..

The AMD chip is heavier and more fragile down to the pins... Hopefully AM3 will sort this..

PS Yipsl,,,

The missus has my AMD too, coincidence I assume... Core I 7 is not a mature product yet and im sure there is more to come of this beauty... a lot more.... 6 cores or even 8 cores by next year anyone...

Who remembers having cache ram chips on the motherboard, oh those were the days ....... Also ATI video cards with memory slots on them...
 


Those were the days. You could make a cool cooler from a Chunk of cooper adn aluminum. OCing was a blast.
Lemme take a trip on memory lane and necro this post:


■ There were 2D cards and 3D Cards.
■ Network cards were expensive , and a 10 Mbits Hub was the best.
■ If you were short on money you could always make a backbone or token-ring network the coaxial cable.
■ Network could be done by a RS232 or parallel port. Ussually was.
■ Plug and Play was called Plug and Pray. Because if it didn't worked, you were facked.
■ Creative made terrific Soundcards, witch btw, were quite a luxury. I had a AWE 32 with programable memory banks that was great !!
■ To rip to MP3, you had to pass to wav and then compress to MP3. And it took loads of time. And loads of space.
■ AMD was a overclockers brand.
■ Seagate made great HDDs.
■ Conflicting IRQs was a pain in the ass.
■ Microsoft called Windows 95 that name, because you needed to reinstall it 95 time to get it work right.
■ Internet ? Science Fiction.
■ 2M was a great software to expand you floppy to 2MB. When you were hardcore and 1.44Mb wasn't enough.
■ You were hardcore when you bought low density Floppys, drill them a second hole and used 2M. From 720Kb to 2Mb.
■ PcTools was a hacker toolbox. And a calculator to pass it from hexadecimal.
■ Apple made computers.
■ Cyrix and texas Instruments also made CPUs.
■ Himem.sys and Emm386.exe where your friends Vs Base memory (640Kb)
■ The first Cd-Rom i had, honored the eject button. A 1x Matsushita that had a spring for the eject. Ejecting with a electric motor was a luxury.
■ Turbo button was everything but that.
■ CPU had pins. the PSUs were hardwired to the On/Off button.
■ You felt tanned after playing Golden Axe, Prince, Rick Dangerous for hours in front of a CGA/EGA16 screen
■ Playing at 640x480 was hardcore.
■ Matrox made gaming cards.
■ SLI worked like a charm. Hail the Voodoo's !!!
■ You could wake your entire building by printing in a 7-pin printer for 2 minutes.
■ Joysticks were great. Gamepads were for consoles.
■ Skate or Die, or Ski or Die were games to have. Winter Challenge or Summer Games were to break keyboards.
■ If you pirated any game, you will need to make copies of their manuals. Freaking Budokan i never got the manual !!!
■ You could fit 4 people playing in the same keyboard with Ironman !! Those were the days.
■ Everybody clapped when they came with the deltree.exe command in MS-DOS 6.22.
■ Everybody got pissed there was no undeltree.exe.
■ I broke 2 Joysticks with X-wing and Tie Fighter. Never finished the latter though. Never bought another Joystick.
■ Viruses were rampart. In those days, Norton and Mcaffe were the AV software.
■ The first time i tried Panda Anti-virus, it was already crap.
■ EA made games.
■ Microsoft budled a Anti-virus with the OS (CPAV)
■ Never released updates.
■ I has a portuguese had to print and then with a pen add á,é,ó,ã,ç and others. No portuguese Keyboard support. Or printer support by that matter.

I think it is enough for now. Anybody care to join me in memory lane ?
 


Hehe. I remember when the AWE 32's came out. I also remember laughing when I found out that it didn't sound nearly as good as my Roland LAPC-1 that I bought 5 years earlier for less money and also had less functionality. Here's an example of the difference:
LAPC-1 (released in 1988): http://www.crossfire-designs.de/download/articles/soundcards/lapc_monkeyisland.mp3

AWE-32 (released in 1993): http://www.crossfire-designs.de/download/articles/soundcards/awe_monkeyisland.mp3

 


I got my self a creative labs sound card with an external CD Rom - it was ooh let me think a big push button machine which clunked out a caddy... then i got my first hp cd writer - it had bugs in it mind but it cost me then £800 for a writer i was the envy....

only could get it on scsi and disks were about £15 each

i burnt loads of coasters as the drive was crap...
roxio was the software.. im having a old time sake rant...
who remembers having a 3dfx that blew you away, then direct x came out and the rest was history - i remeber getting a card that came with virtua fighter on cd and had connections for sega saturn controllers on it... wasnt computers more fun then folks... now we get virus's that slow out machine up and bombard us with popus when then all you had to do is stick in a floppy and it went..


 


Remember when every game came with those cardboard code-wheels for the copy protection? I wish they'd go back to using those instead of this SecuROM crap.
 



yeah, i remember getting a game once,

this is it, i still got it somewhere

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000EURJEQ?tag=cheatplaza-20&camp=15309&creative=331441&linkCode=st1&creativeASIN=B000EURJEQ&adid=01CD298E9WVK9QRY21EG

it had a code wheel.. i tried 3 times to get it right because i was so excited it got it and i read the wheel wrong... this came on 4 floppies i think
 
^Ewwwww Roxio........

I remember when games were still DOS based even in Windows 95. Crappy graphics, none truly 3D and tons of crashes. But still were the bomb at the time.

I had one game called Magic Carpet. Was fun when it worked.

I remember when schools had us all play Oregon Trail as a class project. I beat the game in one day even though we were supposed to stay ahead.

Now its all about papers and typing a bleh.
 



Sam and Max Hit the Road was another one. Game would crash with "out of memory" errors no matter how large your HD was or how much RAM you had.
 


Can't say I ever had that problem with that game. Most of the old Lucasarts games were pretty stable for me although I seem to recall having some issues with Full Throttle.
 


Classic... They had us do the same thing in middle school on those wonderful Apple IIe's.
 
i can put up with all the bad stuff we have today, i just dont make me sit and wait for a game to load on the ZXspectrum (stupid stupid tapes) that you would wait an age for it to load and right at the end what would it do "CRASH", and that noise, god help anyone that has to sit through that.
 


I never had problems with monkey island, indiana jones or Loom.
 



no tell a lie it was adaptec cd creator, that was the persecutor to roxio, sorry forgetting my time space continuum...


I had Magic Carpet, you had to collect orbs.. still got it somewhere...

there should be a magic carpet type game like left for dead.

your on this magic carpet and you have lances and weapons flying around in teams on a map exploring and collecting new weapons and special powers, going through tunnels and up high buildings. theres two modes hover mode and flying mode, and when flying your carpet shoots out magic bolts. in hover mode your using swords and a lance... it could work... the end result is to rescue a buxom wench some where, have kids, buy a labradore and live unhapperly ever after as its an arranged marriage and the mother-in-law stays in your home.

anyway moving on..
 


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Hello !!!! you dont even understand the weaknesses of intel and try talking into AMD , monopoly is out of question when you just make copies of your previous versions and dream of running in the market ,they are much power draining , AMD is application specific and with with the introduction of ' Multi cores even that is gone , intel released i7 not because it 'could' but had to give its customers something to 'chew' on
 



I dont understand why people spend so much on dual video card setups...

Theyre out of date in six months anyway.

Until technology prices go down and it wont be as fast at this current climate then the I-7 will need a refresh and a new update.. 32nm with a large cache hopefully.

Prices of hardware have gone up over here down to the £/$ rate of exchange.

When it goes to native 8 core then ill get one,, untill then nah aint worth even peliminarily upgrading to the quad version down to the fact that youll proberly need a new motherboard anyway..