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Place the DIR-625 next to your modem using default firmware. At first, use all factory antennas to see what kind of speeds you can get in the basement. See if your desktop can get a good signal from the DIR-625. After that, try putting the Linksys in your dining room with DD-WRT firmware. Using that firmware, set the Linksys up as a repeater using the link I posted a few replies up. With the Linksys acting as a repeater between the basement and the 2nd floor, I think you should see much better wireless quality on your laptop and your desktop.
 
jeb1517,

Microcenter also has the DIR-628 dual band n router with a $20.00 rebate and is just $10.00 more than the DIR-625 router. Would it pay to buy this model since it is on sale ? Both model are compatable with DD-WRT firmware.

Thanks
 
jeb1517,

I was looking at the specs of Tomato and saw that setting up the router for ap and wds becomes a repeater. If I were to use the Linksys with this setup, can I get the same results as having the DD-WRT firmware or do you feel DD-WRT is a more robust firmware and I should install it. I also read that if one is changing firmwares, it might be safer to reinstall the original Linklsys firmware first and then install the DD-WRT firmware.

Your opinion please on the steps I should do.

Wireless modes: access point (AP), wireless client station (STA), wireless ethernet (WET) bridge, wireless distribution system (WDS aka wireless bridging), simultaneous AP and WDS (aka wireless repeating)

Thanks.
 
I've read that WDS isn't as good as just setting it up as a repeater. This is just what I've read and have no personal experience though. You can try the WDS route but I think it might be a little more complicated than just making it a repeater. I think the DIR 625 is good enough. But again, use the DIR 625 by itself first and see if you can get better connection in the basement. After that, then put the Linksys on the 2nd floor. Actually I think you should try using the AP and WDS (to make it a repeater) first. This way, you won't have to flash the firmware to get DD-WRT. I'm curious though to see if the DIR625 on its own gives you better signal.
 
jeb1517,

Just picked up the DIR-625 at Microcenter, the last unit in stock. I see that its specs are 4x range and there is another model with 6x range. I think this test should be interesting. I will test the DIR-625 as is with its own antennas first. Will check wireless signal strength, then if not strong enough, will change the antennas to the supposedly 9 dbi antennas and then put regular antennas back on the Linksys and change the Linksys to AP + WD place it on the second floor and compare signal strengths in the basement and seer where I am.

All interesting stuff. Ran it 84mw it doesn't seem to get too hot. Had it on for 2 hrs.Will run it tonight all night and see what happens.



 
When you set up the Linksys as AP + WDS, place it on the first floor in your dining room, (which I think you said is above your basement?) instead of the second floor
 
jeb1517,

Last night was a disaster. I configured the D-Link router, it seemed to work almost as fast as the Linksys upstairs near my computer but in the basement it failed. The signal downstairs was less than 50% of the signal I normally get using the Linksys and doing surfing it creeped trying to load a page and when I went to download avg, the highest speed was 10.5kb/sec and avg will take 1 hour to download. This is modem speed.

I went back upstairs, turned off the computer, reinstalled the Linksys went back downstairs turned on the laptop and the web pages loaded pretty fast and the download speed was between 195 - 290 kb/sec. A fair speed.

I went back upstairs and looked at the 2 dbi antennas on the D-Link and the length of the antennas was 1/2 the size of the antennas on the Linksys. So I thought of using the Linkys antennas but it has the small small sma plug and I need adapters to convert them to the size of the plugs on the Linksys. Well I don't have them and wonder if MicroCenter sell these adapters.

Could the D-Link router be partially defective ? I don't know but I don't know how to test the router yet.

So that is the story so far. I will be back next Tuesday to do more testing and look forward to your thoughts.
 
Wow that's very poor performance from the D-Link router. I don't know if its defective or not, maybe D-Link just makes crappy routers. Did you try using the Linksys as an AP+ WDS? I would return the D-link and just get another Linksys WRT54G so you can use one as a router and another as a repeater. You can leave the one you have right now with the tomato firmware and flash the new one to DD-WRT so you can use it as a repeater. In the meantime just leave yours operating as a router with 85kw transmit power. that seems to do an OK job in your basement. I guess I'll never recommend d-link routers again...
 
jeb1517,

I didn't go further setting up ther Linksys as a AP+WDS because the signal was crappy and why go further ? Even if I were to set it up as AP + WDS on my first floor, the only way I could find out if it is picking up a signal is to plug my laptop into the Linksys on the first floor and see what is happening. If it really worth it ?

Perhaps I should contact D-Link and ask them if the DIR-625 is capable of sending a strong signal to the basement ?

I don't know if Microcenter is selling a WRT54G router or not. I did see some units but without antennas. They seem to be built in the unit.

Do they work the same ?
 
You could try calling D-Link but I'd be surprised if they were of any help. The ones that look just like the WRT54G but without the antennas are the wired routers (no wireless feature so no need for antennas). Some of the new wireless routers have internal antennas but they look different from the WRT54G and I don't know if they have open source firmware or not, I doubt it. Places like Best Buy or Circuit City might have a WRT54G in stock. Maybe even Radio Shack. It's a very common router.
 
Jeb1517,

I did call D-Link and they wanted to help me but the router is in my house. I will be back Monday evening or Tuesday and will try and access the router by ip address lkike I do with Tomato. Hopefully I will get in and see if I can raise transmission power and if I can will try it again. The earliest I can call D-link is Tuesday evening when I am at home and see if there might be any differences by changing any settigs. If unsuccessful I will return unit to Microcenter.

Will keep you posted.

Thanks again.
 
jeb1517,

I saw the same model DIR-625 at Bestbuy for $40.00 and same 30 days return privilege so I bought a new unit and return the other unit that they charge me $80.00 for credit which they did. I figured my tests should be on a new unit not a unit returned to Microcenter with the cable missing as well as the manual.

Will repoort back soon.
 
jeb1517,

Last night didn't turn out the way I hoped. I installed the new DIR-615 router and near my cable modem it worked as fast as my Linksys. Before I installed the D-Link, I changed the Linksys to be AP + WDS. I then checked the download speed and the very same file FREE AVG seemed to download a bit faster than regular AP but that might be a diffeent server.

With the D-Link installed with D-Link software, I raised up the router, made certain the antennas weere stretched horizontally and went down to my basement. Afer configuring the laptop to use Windows to set my wireless settings, I dowloaded again avg free and the download speed was 190 -
290 kb/sec. I then tried to repeat the same test 5X and the download speed was modem speeds. I then went to PTOOLS and REEWAREFILES.com to try and download their different programs and they too were modem speed. I don't believe that the N+ of the D-Link has the power to send a strong signal anywhere in my house but that may change, maybe.

I then brought down my Linksys, placed it in my dining room right over the basement, went down to the basement and try to connect to it. I am using a utility from Engeniustech that I used their USB Lan driver and the signal strength of the D-Link in my basement varied from 14 to 20 db which is low and the Linksys varied from 45 to 49 db in signal strength and was five bars vs. 2 bard with the D-Link. I was able to conect to the Linksys signal on my laptop but I hit a stone wall.

I could not go out to the internet at all or retrieve even my mail. It kept going back to D-Link and it was downloading at V.92 modem speed.
I then went into the firmware to see the transmission power and it was set to high. There was a medium and a low setting. It seemed to be channel 1 just like my Linksys is set to channel 1 but even thought Windows stated I was connected, I was stopped. If I could get into Linksys connection and surf the Internet, I would be set.

I might try a 9 dbi antenna on the D-Link tonight but I can't find my other adapter to convert the small sma to a larger size for 2- 9 dbi antennas so one will be a 9 dbi and one a 2 dbi antenna. That will be one test. A friend of mine at work will lend me a 7 dbi D-Link antenna so I think my test should just be one 9 dbi antenna and one 7 dbi antenna and this will really tell me something new hopefully. I will try it first alone and maybe with the Linksys in my dining room but if I can't lock onto the Linksys secondary signal what good is the testing og the Linksys in my dining room.

I look forward to your suggestions.I think that even though I failed so far it is quite interesting.

Thanks
 
Well it seems like the 2 routers together are giving you a good signal where you need it, but it's useless since you can't actually get on the internet. I'm not sure what the issue is there. The D-Link seems to be transmitting a signal, since you said you get online by directly connecting to the D-Link, but the Linksys isn't. Maybe you should try messing around with the settings in the Linksys router. You can connect to it but it isn't transmitting anything. Seems to me like the Linksys isn't even receiving a signal from the D-Link. Maybe it's because of the AP + WDS method?

The D-Link is just a bad product I guess. It's giving you worse signal in the basement than your Linksys did and the Linksys has older technology. If I were you, I would return the D-Link and pick up another WRT54G. I know they have different versions of the WRT54G now. Like WRT54GL or something. I don't know if that one also comes with open source firmware but try to find a plain WRT54G if you can. or maybe the L version will work too.

Anyway, if you don't want to return the D-Link again, then try messing around with the Linksys to make sure that it's actually intercepting a signal from the D-Link. It doesn't seem to be transmitting anything right now. If you do use two Linksys routers, than leave your current one with Tomato and put DD-WRT on the new one and try it that way. Or you could just keep the D-Link and put DD-WRT on your current one but I know you said that would probably require two firmware flashes (one to go back to original and one to get to DD-WRT) and I'm not sure if you want to take that risk. Progress is slow but at least it's progress, right? Let me know what you decide to do with the D-Link, I say return it.
 
jeb1517,

Last night everything that showed the D-link router being a candidate to be returned was overturned. I replaced the original antennas that came with the d-link with a 9 dbi antenna to one port because I have a adapter that converts the small sma to the 9 dbi antenna which I believe is reverse TNT connector and I had a D-link 7 dbi antenna to the small sma connector which has a long cable, so I stretched it further.

All I can say at this time is that downloading AVG Free 4X the average speed was from 220 - 300 kb/sec. Pctools programs went up in the stratosphere around 700 -800 kb/sec few different programs were from 188 - 276 kb/sec and a few others from 240 - 300 kb/sec. I will rerun these test with the 15 programs exactly the same tonight and will report back whatever the results may be, hopefully the same.

So the numbers seem to be the same as my Linksys or slightly better. I imagine a much stronger antenna might do better but the original 2 dbi antennas of the D-link look like midget's in comparison to the Linksys antennas. I have two more weekend vacations coming up so more tests will be done next week.

I have a lot of theories but will keep mum until I do further testing. I heard that 2.4 GHZ telephones might impede the signal strength. I have a 2.4 in my basement and on the first floor in my kitchen. My brother-in-law just sent me a 900 MHZ 2-line phone and I wonder where the best place is ?
Have you any thoughts ? Might this 2.4 GHZ telephone be causing signal strengths ?

I will keep you informed. I can monitor my emails answer but not do any testing till next week. This is a interesting journey to get a great signal in my basement.

Thanks.
 
jeb1517,

I am still testing the dlink and the Linksys and do not have conclusive results. I did learn something interesting. There are times when I use windows to access the dlink and get a poor connection. If I turn off and then on the cable modem and the dlink router, I seem to get a better signal in the basement. Since I have the Engeniustech utility, I can see immediately the signal strength. If it is low, I go uptairs and turn off/on cable modem and router, I get a stronger signal.

I am playing around with a 9 dbi antenna going to one sma port and the other is a 16 db yagi antenna. I am moving it around. I believe that getting a good signal consistently might be doable but I have to get the same results two or three days in a row.

Will get back to you probably after Labor Day when I will be home.

I wonder if there is a device that I can connect to my cable modem & router and send upstairs a signal to turn it off and then on from my basement.

Thanks
 
jeb1517,

I am going to change my 2.4GHZ telephone in my basement over the weekend to a 900 MHZ and see if this helps me get a better signal. One thing I know for sure is that the 2 dbi antennas do very little unless it is next to the computer. I am going to run the Linksys router upstairs tonight and see if the signal I get in my basement is any better than the DLink router puts out. A yagi 16 dbi antenna and the 9 dbi rubber pucky antenna doesn't seem to put out any stronger signal than my previous setup of a 9 dbi antenna and a 7 dbi antenna that I get in my basement using my laptop. I agin tried the dlink upstairs and the Linksys router right near my laptop and I got nowhere. I get such a strong signal but I can't connect. I ran iconfig and it sees the ethernet connection but I can't make any connection to the router other than my connection to the output of the router right into my laptop and I see flickering on the wan light and a little on the # 1 output of the router but I can't connect at all.

My utility shows me the Dlink and Linksys it seems to be connected to Linksys but is going nowhere. Could it be that since I am using two different named routers, I can't connect ?

So this is where I am up to. I was wondering if I were to buy a Linksys WRT54G router, install the DD-WRT firmware as a repeater will the signal not only be stronger but making a connection might be doable since both routers have the same name ?

Thanks
 
jeb1517,

I just thought of siomething. Since I can see with the utility program the channel the dink is using I should change the channel I have on my Linksys from 1 to either channel 6 or 11 and then maybe I can connect ?
 
The phone frequency might play a part in signal strength. I think the DLink N router runs at 2.4GHz also?? Maybe since the phone and router are on the same frequency it's causing interference, I'm not sure.

Are the two routers on the same channel? Try putting them both on channel 6 then try putting them on different channels, one on 6 and one on 11. Name brand of the routers shouldn't make a difference when trying to use one as a repeater.

When you have the DLink upstairs and the Linksys acting as a repeater on the first floor, you said you could connect to the Linksys but couldn't get online, right? Try connecting to the Linksys using an ethernet cable just as a quick test to see if you can get online that way. Maybe it is receiving the signal but just isn't repeating it.
 
jeb1517,

I read somewhere that if one was to disable DHCP on a second router (my Linksys WRT54GL) and the output of the router went to the laptop, it was possible to get a better signal to the laptop. So I went into Tomato, entered my password and disabled DHCP and connected a cable to my laptop. I didn't see ay improvements at all. Maybe I did something wrong but I am not sure. So I decided to look at the configuration in Tomato and it didn't accept my password no matter what I tried. I was afraid that I screwed something up and wanted to get back to square one. So I went up to the second floor, took the D-link 615 out of my setup and connected the Linksys into my system. I was on line but I still couldn't get into Tomato. I tried reinstalling Linksys software and got same message, cannot access the router. So I tried a hardware reset on the Linksys and it too didn't work no matter how hard I held the reset button. Finally by some quirk, I came across a password that allowed me to get into the Tomato firmware. I did see that DHCP was enabled, it was set to AP, and my transmission was 84mw. Everything upstairs worked flawlessly. I tested three times this password and each time it was successful. So now my Linksys is the only router being used upstairs.

So at this time I have two 9 dbi antennas connected to the Linksys. I didn't install the 900 mhz telephone yet but I have interesting results. My laptop shows 2 bars signal strength and 14-21 dbi antenna strength. My download speeds are similar to the D-Link router with the dlink a little stronger by about 20-30 kb/sec. I decided to test my laptop in my dining room to see if I will get a stronger signal. I got 4 bars and antenna signal stremgth ranged from 23-29 dbi. I expected terrific downloads but all the sites I always go to, the download speeds were slower by 75-100 kb/sec. I immediately went down to the basement, downloaded from the same sites and the speed increased by 75-100 kb/sec.

So would a repeater in my dining room really give me better signal strengths and download speeds in my basement ?

If I tried a yagi antenna on one end of the Linksys instead of a 9 dbi antenna give improved signal strength for downloading or not. I can try it tonight.

I can install the 900 MHZ telephone system and just leaving the setting the way they are and see if there might be any improvements if any.

I can increase transmission speed to 100mw and see if it improves download speeds and monitor my Linksys that it doesn't really get to hot.

Would the D-Link 615 placed in my basement near my laptop and connected to my laptop do anything to improve download speeds ?

Might the new Linksys USB-N adapter WUSB600N with cradle which Maximumpc wrote up this month be helpful in picking up a better signal that the internal wireless adapter g ?

I look forward to your thoughts.



jeb1517,

I read somewhere that if one was to disable DHCP on a second router (my Linksys WRT54GL) and the output of the router went to the laptop, it was possible to get a better signal to the laptop. So I went into Tomato, entered my password and disabled DHCP and connected a cable to my laptop. I didn't see ay improvements at all. Maybe I did something wrong but I am not sure. So I decided to look at the configuration in Tomato and it didn't accept my password no matter what I tried. I was afraid that I screwed something up and wanted to get back to square one. So I went up to the second floor, took the D-link 615 out of my setup and connected the Linksys into my system. I was on line but I still couldn't get into Tomato. I tried reinstalling Linksys software and got same message, cannot access the router. So I tried a hardware reset on the Linksys and it too didn't work no matter how hard I held the reset button. Finally by some quirk, I came across a password that allowed me to get into the Tomato firmware. I did see that DHCP was enabled, it was set to AP, and my transmission was 84mw. Everything upstairs worked flawlessly. I tested three times this password and each time it was successful. So now my Linksys is the only router being used upstairs.

So at this time I have two 9 dbi antennas connected to the Linksys. I didn't install the 900 mhz telephone yet but I have interesting results. My laptop shows 2 bars signal strength and 14-21 dbi antenna strength. My download speeds are similar to the D-Link router with the dlink a little stronger by about 20-30 kb/sec. I decided to test my laptop in my dining room to see if I will get a stronger signal. I got 4 bars and antenna signal stremgth ranged from 23-29 dbi. I expected terrific downloads but all the sites I always go to, the download speeds were slower by 75-100 kb/sec. I immediately went down to the basement, downloaded from the same sites and the speed increased by 75-100 kb/sec.

So would a repeater in my dining room really give me better signal strengths and download speeds in my basement ?

If I tried a yagi antenna on one end of the Linksys instead of a 9 dbi antenna give improved signal strength for downloading or not. I can try it tonight.

I can install the 900 MHZ telephone system and just leaving the setting the way they are and see if there might be any improvements if any.

I can increase transmission speed to 100mw and see if it improves download speeds and monitor my Linksys that it doesn't really get to hot.

Would the D-Link 615 placed in my basement near my laptop and connected to my laptop do anything to improve download speeds ?

Might the new Linksys USB-N adapter WUSB600N with cradle which Maximumpc wrote up this month be helpful in picking up a better signal that the internal wireless adapter g ?

I look forward to your thoughts.



 
abrand888,

I know this thread is old....wondering if you have found a solution for boost your wifi range.